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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    What does the noose stand for then, MM?
    I am not a merkin, but the connection to racism and the KKK seems to be there, according to merkin sources:
    Two KKK members arrested in noose incident near Jena, Louisiana

    The passenger told police he and his family are in the Ku Klux Klan and that he had KKK tattooed on his chest, the police report said. He also said that he tied the nooses and that the brass knuckles belonged to him, the report said.
    Digg - Two KKK members arrested in noose incident near Jena, Louisiana

    From 2005:
    In Haynes’ first amended original complaint, Sánchez wrote, “To many African-Americans and to Plaintiff (Haynes), the hangman’s noose is a type of hate-speech similar to the swastika. It evokes a time period when certain American state governmental institutions, ad hoc ‘kangaroo court,’ and their para-military arms, used to arrest without due process of law and summary execution through lynching. The hangman’s noose was the preferred method of execution and represents a tool of genocide to Plaintiff (Haynes).”
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    The Noose has never been, and is not a KKK symbol.

    If you want to learn about symbols of the KKK go to some websites (I have not).

    The KKK is an old boys club of hicks that get drunk and meet in secret in the woods, anonymously.

    Past acts are abominable, but they are highly overrated. And they were overrated in history books.

    They don't like blacks, catholics, jews, and a ton of other people.

    This whole media charade is a joke. Just as the KKK is. Just as the nooses are.
    ............

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    So, there is no connection between the noose and racism or the KKK, it's all media hype, I see.

    I suppose them blacks shouldn't have sat under that tree, if they have no sense of humour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    So, there is no connection between the noose and racism or the KKK, it's all media hype, I see.
    Non-sequitur.

    It is you that made the statement that the noose is/was a KKK symbol.

    I suppose them blacks shouldn't have sat under that tree, if they have no sense of humour?
    Leading....and baiting.

    I have already stated that I think everyone, of all backgrounds, should be able to sit under the tree.

    You have altered the argument from symbols, to the tree, to the apparent humous that is, or is not behind it, if there is any.

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    My original questions, still not fully answered:
    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    So, the noose isn't a racist, KKK symbol, then? Was it put up to threaten the White folks of Louisiana?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    My original questions, still not fully answered:
    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    So, the noose isn't a racist, KKK symbol, then? Was it put up to threaten the White folks of Louisiana?
    Nice try to avoid, again.

    I believe you know, as well as I think I know,

    That the nooses were used to make a political statement, racist statement, or profess the views of those who displayed them.

    And yes, as you already know, to intimidate, threaten, and/or send a message to blacks.


    Grow up.

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    So, the nooses weren't a joke, after all, unlike you stated earlier?
    And my original comment wasn't aimed at you, but a response to blackgang. Yet you picked it up - interesting...

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    Leading....and baiting.
    Stroll can't let go of old habits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    Originally Posted by stroller ^ It's a piece on townhall.com, "where our opinion counts", not "the truth", bg
    Everything in this thread so far is media hype, no one on this forum was there to know exactly what took place, yet blame is being placed fro the media postings.
    Do you stroller know what is truth or hype?

    I think not as you were never there either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    And my original comment wasn't aimed at you, but a response to blackgang. Yet you picked it up - interesting... Thanks
    so the previous post is in answer to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    So, the nooses weren't a joke, after all, unlike you stated earlier?
    I don't recall stating it was a joke. It may have been a joke. Not sure.

    And my original comment wasn't aimed at you, but a response to blackgang. Yet you picked it up - interesting...

    Thanks.
    I thought it was directed towards me. You're free to state any opinion you have. However the non like non-whites is not true and that was a hurtful comment.

    cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    Everything in this thread so far is media hype, no one on this forum was there to know exactly what took place, yet blame is being placed fro the media postings.
    Are you saying that we dont know if there were really nooses?

    Or are you saying that we wouldn't be able to decide if it was offensive and racist without the media telling us it was?

    Or criticising the media for reporting it at all?

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    Yes Lily, you are absolutely correct on all points,, someone gets a bone and runs with it, never knowing what is true and what is bullshit.

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    Bit of an update/post-script to this thread. Seems that the whole thing has far from subsisded and the small town of Jena's still somewhat of a focal point for racial issues:

    White supremacists march in Louisiana on King holiday

    12:40PM Tuesday January 22, 2008



    Members of a white supremacist group march under a Ku Klux Klan flag in Jena, Louisiana. Photo / Reuters

    JENA, Louisiana - About 25 white supremacists marched through this central Louisiana town on Monday in a white power rally on the US national holiday honoring slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King.

    They called for the holiday to be abolished and demanded harsh justice for the "Jena 6" - six black teenagers who beat a white schoolmate in a racially-charged incident in 2006.

    "I'm just here to help get some justice for that boy for getting his butt kicked by six coons," another marcher, David Dupre of Tioga, Louisiana, told Reuters.

    The march, organized by the Mississippi-based Nationalist Movement, a self-described "pro-majority" group, drew an opposition protest about 10 times larger and much more vocal in a sometimes tense confrontation.
    "I'm a firm believer that you have to confront evil and I think these people are here to promote evil," John Hill, a black former US Marine from Monroe, Louisiana said of the marchers.

    At least 150 policemen kept the opposing camps separated.

    The Nationalists were led by founder Richard Barrett as they walked through town. They did not wear robes like their white power brethren in the Ku Klux Klan, but some wore Klan patches.

    Jena, a town of about 3,000, has become a flashpoint for US racial issues since the black teenagers were charged with attempted murder for beating up their white schoolmate when a noose was hung at Jena High School.

    About 20,000 supporters marched through Jena in September protesting what they saw as overly-harsh treatment of the teenagers. The charges against the defendants now have been reduced to battery.
    Only a few townspeople came out to watch the march.

    "I think its very disrespectful, I think it's unnecessary," said 18-year-old black Jena resident Latara Hart as one of the marchers walked by with a noose hanging from his belt.

    Barrett spoke for more than an hour in a speech that finished with just five people listening.

    "Today I'm saying that King has no credibility," he said. "We want to abolish the Martin Luther King holiday."

    He called for referendums to roll back the civil rights legislation of the 1960s that legally ended racial segregation in the US South.
    - REUTERS

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    Funny thing was-- the kkk was calm cool and collective and anti violent during the march, seems the blacks couldn't say the same for themselves

    got a bit of news coverage here in the states

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    White Nationalists and White Supremicists have always marched on MLK day.

    Why all of the attention?

    Why the hoopla?

    Because the media wants it.

    People watch.

    Because the race card sells.

    Just like post #88

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    Damn it! Two years running, I've forgotten to take a day off for MLK.

    Next year I'm going to take three days off.

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    Yep, always someone is ready to stir some shit to keep things hot and bubbling..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    Damn it! Two years running, I've forgotten to take a day off for MLK. Next year I'm going to take three days off
    Well come on over to my house and we tie up a few nooses. and maybe go coon hunting, Racoon, Racoon ,Racoon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    Yep, always someone is ready to stir some shit to keep things hot and bubbling..
    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    Well come on over to my house and we tie up a few nooses. and maybe go coon hunting
    Yes indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    White Nationalists and White Supremicists have always marched on MLK day.

    Why all of the attention?

    Why the hoopla?

    Because the media wants it.

    People watch.

    Because the race card sells.

    Just like post #88

    Sad but true milkman

    Here in kansas city an appointed member of the parks and rec. dept. was a memeber of the minute men organization. an organization thats only agenda is to secure the border of the united states and help uphold laws that are in place concerning illegal immagration.

    LARAZA- a hispanic organization pulled their national convention from kansas city stating that the parks and rec board member was a racist. Then the southern christian leaders confrance pulled out also-- IT IS AMAZING WHAT SOME ORGANIZATIONS WILL DO SIMPLY TO GET MEDIA COVERAGE !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KID
    LARAZA- a hispanic organization pulled their national convention from kansas city stating that the parks and rec board member was a racist
    Well, was he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KID
    LARAZA- a hispanic organization pulled their national convention from kansas city stating that the parks and rec board member was a racist
    Well, was he?

    It was a she, and what facts link the minute men association to anything racist????

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    ^^, KID,

    La Raza is a racist organization, IMO.

    If someone is a racist that's their own business.

    As long as one doesn't discriminate against people in their line of work.

    I'd have to look at documented and corroborated evidence that the official actually did that things in his line of work that were racist.

    And no, the Minutemen are not racist.

    ILLegals come into the U.S. from all areas of the world. It just happens that most are hispanics because of the geographical closeness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KID
    It was a she, and what facts link the minute men association to anything racist????
    Ok then she. Who said anything about the Minute Men being associated to anything racist? We're talking about an individual here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    And no, the Minutemen are not racist.
    That may be the case but it is not to say that they don't have racist members.

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    LA RAZA'S single complaint about the women was that she was a member of the minute men. Infact she had only been appointed to the position for maybe 3 months.


    Could you imagine the fall out if people started protesting government officials that belonged to or made monitary contributions to LA RAZA???? especially in california !!!

    what about government officials that attended the million man march that focused on BLACK CHRISTIANS. it may have been a meeting with noble agenda, but since it was focused on blacks it still had a racist overtone
    Last edited by KID; 24-01-2008 at 10:17 AM.

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