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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    The thread title is "Reverse of Progress by fundamnentalism" so the question is, what is "progress" and who decides what exactly that is?

    Arab and Muslim countries have chosen their own courses, with significant influence, input and interference from other countries.
    As in other countries, Arab and Muslim countries are not homogenised societies.
    Over TB's head,...eh? Allah hu Akbar, and thank god for that favor. Nevernice,...you ^ should seriously consider stepping-down from that pretentious high-horse, you persist w/ riding upon.

    It is not my intention to berate the OP topic thread, in any way, as I sincerely do appreciate David's "spot on" topic contribution, w/ photos. However,...the label Reform Islam, instead, comes to mind.

    Nevernice, you clearly haven't the faintest clue, re: the inner workings of Fundamental Islam; not the Muslim world of today. The Medium is (definitely) The Massage, particularly in your regard.
    Indeed you ^ probably even consider the European Jewish people to be the direct genetic descendants of the Shemites (Semites), as well, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen View Post
    Over TB's head

    Reform Islam
    What do you know of reformist Islam, Benny?
    Fuck all would be my guess, but do surprise me. That would be wonderful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Manny,

    You are absolutely right, they'd only been fukin themselves over at tribal level over territory and slavery until the evil Brits and west interfered.

    Savages and barbaric tribes.
    Probably required a solid Civilised Cleansing Mission.
    Benign and benevolent superiority always prevails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milestones_(book)

    You can also download the book for free from the Internet. There seems to be plenty of sources.
    Ta. I'll give it a dekko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Ta. I'll give it a dekko.
    Or a shufti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    Cannot really blame Wahabism on the Americans considering he preched in 1700s

    While many Europeans arrived Palestine after WW2 many arrived before, Leabanon was a French Colony and Gaza under teh British Empire.

    It is interesting in times of rapid change that social conservatives react as we can see in E Europe and Asia

    Many things that are acceptable in individual choice in the educated developed mainly democratic republics were once anathema

    Ability for all to vote for the head of state
    No capital punishment ( in case of unfixable miscarriage)
    To peacefully practice your private beliefs in private, backed by a constiutional right enforceable in court
    Habeas Corpus
    Non political courts separate from government
    Right to leave your homeland, access to passports at affordable price etc
    Right to marry freely
    Right of adults to own real estate property and intellectual property

    There are very few countries that tick all the boxes France Germany,Austria, Czech Republic Finland Ireland Greenland Iceland come to mind and the only one with a half decent climate Portugal

    In Poland Macedonia Slovakia we are seeing courts intimidated and same sex marriage and access to abortion contraception is less free
    Have you forgotten to include your own home country? Then, there's Norway & Sweden,..also worthy of serious "box-ticking" consideration? Wouldn't you agree?

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    Indonesia on the cusp

    Dozens of Indonesian mosques are preaching extremism, including violence against non-Muslims, to government workers, the country’s intelligence agency has warned.
    The alarming findings of the Indonesian State Intelligence Agency follow Indonesia’s worst terrorist attack in a decade when three churches and a police station were bombed in the city of Surabaya in May, killing 28 people. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) claimed responsibility for the bombings.
    In a chilling development, child suicide bombers were among the attackers in the deadly assault, once again raising fears about the growing influence of hardline Islamism and the decline of religious tolerance in the world’s most populous Muslim nation.
    According to AFP, the intelligence agency revealed it had probed about 1,000 mosques across the Southeast Asian country since July, and discovered that imams at some 41 places of worship in one neighbourhood in the capital, Jakarta, were preaching extremism to worshippers.



    The Surabaya attacks put the Indonesian authorities on alert for extremist attacks CREDIT: ACHMAD IBRAHIM /AP

    “The majority of people who go to these mosques are government workers so that’s why this is alarming,” Wawan Purwanto, the intelligence agency’s spokesman, told the newswire. “These are the people who are running the country.”
    Intelligence officers found about 17 clerics expressed support of sympathy for Isil and encouraged their congregation to fight for the jihadist group in Syria and Marawi, the southern Philippine city that was destroyed in 2017 after it was besieged by foreign Isil fighters.
    More than 600 Indonesians, including at least 166 women and children, travelled to Syria to join Isil, according to data released earlier this year by the Indonesian authorities.
    Other preachers urged their followers to commit violence on behalf of the jihadist group, and spread hatred to vilify Indonesia’s minority religions, which include Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism.
    Details were not released about the agency’s findings at hundreds of other mosques outside of Jakarta.
    Concerns have been rising in recent years about the growing influence of extremist groups in Indonesia, a sprawling archipelago that is home to 260 million people.



    Supporters of Indonesia's Christian governor, "Ahok", protest his conviction in May 2017 for blasphemy CREDIT: DITA ALANGKARA/AP

    Last year, the Christian minority was left reeling in shock after the controversial jailing of the former governor of Jakarta, Basuki Tjahaja Purnama – known by his nickname Ahok – on blasphemy charges.
    The conviction of a prominent member of the Christian community followed months of large-scale protests by the Islamic Defenders Front, a hardline group with a record of violence and intimidation, which had previously argued that a Christian should not govern a Muslim-majority city.
    Ahok was accused of insulting Islam on the campaign trail but he insisted that his comments had been misinterpreted.
    His case highlighted the challenges faced by the government and judiciary in tackling extremist groups which are capable of influencing large sections of the electorate, despite constitutional guarantees on freedom of religion.
    President Joko Widodo faces a tough re-election battle in 2019 in a country which ranges widely from the more liberal holiday paradise of Bali to Aceh province, which is ruled by Sharia law and where citizens can be caned for having sex outside of marriage or for selling alcohol
    I used to have a job at a calendar factory.
    I got the sack because
    I took a couple of days off.

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    View of leading US think tank

    The Evolution of the Salafi-Jihadist Threat

    Current and Future Challenges from the Islamic State, Al-Qaeda, and Other Groups
    November 20, 2018




    Despite the Islamic State’s loss of territory in Iraq and Syria, an increasingly diffuse Salafi-jihadist movement is far from defeated. This report constructs a data set of groups and fighters from 1980 to 2018, including from the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. It finds that the number of Salafi-jihadists in 2018 declined somewhat from a high in 2016, but is still at near-peak levels since 1980. The regions with the largest number of fighters are Syria (between 43,650 and 70,550 fighters), Afghanistan (between 27,000 and 64,060), Paki[at]stan (between 17,900 and 39,540), Iraq (between 10,000 and 15,000), Nigeria (between 3,450 and 6,900), and Somalia (between 3,095 and 7,240). Attack data indicates that there are still high lev[at]els of violence in Syria and Iraq from Salafi-jihad[at]ist groups, along with significant violence in such countries and regions as Yemen, the Sahel, Nigeria, Afghan[at]istan, and So[at]malia.
    These findings suggest that there is a large pool of Salafi-jihadist and allied fighters willing and able to use violence to achieve their goals. Every U.S. president since 9/11 has tried to move away from counterterrorism in some capacity, and it is no different today. Balancing national secu[at]rity priorities in today’s world needs to happen grad[at]ually. For the United States, the challenge is not that U.S. officials are devoting attention and resources to dealing with state adversaries like Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea. These countries present legitimate threats to the United States at home and abroad. Rath[at]er, the mistake would be declaring victory over ter[at]rorism too quickly and, as a result, shifting too many resources and too much attention away from terrorist groups when the threat remains significant.

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