Thread: The Deep State

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

ooh, even bitchier than usual, bsnub.



what's wrong? your cyrptos are falling and there will be no way for you to make your first monthly payment on your tesla (you have on order)?

He's probably naiive enough to get some cryptos that are not liquid.

Originally Posted by Norton

Get the lobbists and big money out of our politics and poof, the deep state disappears.

Or it never existed since a bunch of diverse groups with diverse agendas trying to pull strings to influence things is not a deep state. It is the nature of politics and has been going on since the dawn of organised government.

Non governmental groups (including private industry) trying to influence government policy is part of the nature of government in any normally functioning 21st century democracy. It should be monitored and policed to avoid the destructive corruption of government but it cannot be and does not need to be eliminated.

Originally Posted by misskit

You said Lofgren is in on the deep state. Cant trust anything he writes.

Originally Posted by SKkin

I said I think he might be doing a bit of "gatekeeping" not that everything he says is wrong.

Lets go back to this. I meant Lofgren "gatekeeping" in the sense of withholding info and not presenting the full scope of the Deep State, not necessarily lying. Could well be he's a compartmentalized Deep State asset who's not fully aware himself of the entire big picture. From a Deep State perspective, who better than that to go on with Moyers to "expose" or "explain" the Deep State.

Originally Posted by Norton

So here's my take. There is a deep state but not very deep. Hiding in plain sight. Right before our nose. Certainly not a politically unified group because they support multiple political persuasions via campaign contributions. All legal because supreme court rules can do. Freedom of speech thing.

To me the Deep State is Eisenhower's MIC(Military Industrial Complex) fully expanded into every aspect of US Govt/society and fully out of control. It's turned our establishment/system into a truly Machiavellian enterprise. Especially the finance side of this equation. IMO...Wall Street in conjunction with "The City" has been the driver of the Deep State bus from it's beginnings.

Originally Posted by SKkin

To me the Deep State is Eisenhower's MIC(Military Industrial Complex) fully expanded into every aspect of US Govt/society and fully out of control. It's turned our establishment/system into a truly Machiavellian enterprise. Especially the finance side of this equation. Wall Street in conjunction with "The City" has IMO been the driver of the Deep State bus from it's beginnings.

I can buy that. Another couple examples of disparate groups.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Academia, the sciences(DARPA grants), intel/security, Congressional, Justice Dept., Hollywood, etc., etc....

Give em an inch they take a mile.

^ 555

Opened the can of worms, didn't you?


That's why I was making the list. Everyone is in on the deep state so far except three writers, SKKin, and Airportwo.

the " deep state " has been around since the first caveman got a secretary

^^AirportTwo could be a gatekeeper, though. Knows more than he is telling.

Originally Posted by misskit

Opened the can of worms, didn't you?

Don't bother me, I'm busy finding current links to support my contentions in post #82.

Originally Posted by baldrick

the " deep state " has been around since the first caveman got a secretary

Remember reading about him. Grog Rothchild innit?

what percentage of 'deep staters' are also 9/11 'truthers'?

It’s 100%

We Deep Staters keep records and shit on that.

Originally Posted by Norton

Grog Rothchild

Originally Posted by misskit

Everyone is in on the deep state so far except three writers, SKKin, and Airportwo.

Don't worry missk, in another month I'll be pretty much out of your hair. My short term medical leave is about up. Shortly after that ends, my corporate overlords have decreed that my current work schedule(that has given me all this free time over the past couple of decades) is no longer feasible. So chinup.

^ Didn't realize you were on medical leave. Taking some good medication?

Originally Posted by misskit

Taking some good medication?

Tramadol for the pain in my knee I messed up. Only two tabs of that left.

Next I'm asking the Doc about meds for pain in the ass I'm encountering on forums.

Older book on the foundations(?) of the Deep State...or not.

C. Wright Mills
The Power Elite

First published in 1956, The Power Elite stands as a contemporary classic of social science and social criticism. C. Wright Mills examines and critiques the organization of power in the United States, calling attention to three firmly interlocked prongs of power: the military, corporate, and political elite. The Power Elite can be read as a good account of what was taking place in America at the time it was written, but its underlying question of whether America is as democratic in practice as it is in theory continues to matter very much today.

https://www.amazon.com/Power-Elite-C...mg_top?ie=UTF8



.pdf:

The Power Elite
http://www.eindtijdinbeeld.nl/EiB-Bi...SA___2000_.pdf

Another reading suggestion...

The War State by Michael Swanson- published 2013

Today when you factor in the interest on the national debt from past wars and total defense expenditures the United States spends almost 40% of its federal budget on the military. It accounts for over 46% of total world arms spending. Before World War II it spent almost nothing on defense and hardly anyone paid any income taxes. You can't have big wars without big government. Such big expenditures are now threatening to harm the national economy. How did this situation come to be?

In this book you'll learn how in the critical twenty years after World War II the United States changed from being a continental democratic republic to a global imperial superpower. Since then nothing has ever been the same again. In this book you will discover this secret history of the United States that formed the basis of the world we live in today.

By buying this book you will discover:

- How the end of European colonialism created a power vacuum that the United States used to create a new type of world empire backed by the most powerful military force in human history.

- Why the Central Intelligence Agency was created and used to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations when the United States Constitution had no mechanism for such imperial activities.

- How national security bureaucrats got President Harry Truman to approve of a new wild budget busting arms race after World War II that is still going on to this day.

- Why President Eisenhower really gave his famous warning against the "military-industrial complex."

- Why during the Kennedy administration the nuclear arms race almost led to the end of the world during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

- How President Kennedy tried to deal with what had grown into a "permanent government" of power elite national security bureaucrats in the executive branch of the federal government that had become more powerful than the individual president himself.

In this book you will discover this secret history of the United States that formed the basis of the world we live in today.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EWLGXHW...&pd_rd_w=f2jkq

Good to put this up SKkin,

I had posted about C. Wright Mill's book "The Power Elite" more than a couple of times.

If you read this book today, you would think it was written this year - but it was written in the 1950s.

Originally Posted by Grampa

Good to put this up SKkin

Actually the Mods put this up. The "OP" was a reply to Ant on the Trump thread that was moved to here.

Oh well...I guess better than it being deleted as usual.

Originally Posted by raycarey

what percentage of 'deep staters' are also 9/11 'truthers'?

39.7% I thought that was common knowledge, the rest are complacent with the official story that WTC 6 just fell down, loneliness can do that to steel buildings, believe that was the official story?

Originally Posted by SKkin

Actually the Mods put this up. The "OP" was a reply to Ant on the Trump thread that was moved to here.

Oh well...I guess better than it being deleted as usual.

Thanks for the FYI.

At least the powers that be are being logical (for once).