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    Trump’s Disavowal of Iran Deal

    European Leaders Criticize Trump’s Disavowal of Iran Deal
    OCT. 13, 2017

    LONDON — Iran, Russia and European leaders roundly condemned President Trump’s decision on Friday to disavow the Iran nuclear deal, saying that it reflected the growing isolation of the United States, threatened to destabilize the Middle East and could make it harder to resolve the growing tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

    The reaction was far from panicked, as Mr. Trump’s decision punts to Congress the critical decision of whether the United States will reimpose sanctions on Iran — a step that would effectively sink the deal.

    But Mr. Trump also warned that unless the nuclear agreement was altered and made permanent — to prohibit Iran from ever developing nuclear weapons — he would terminate the agreement, an ultimatum that threw the future of the accord into question.

    Though they avoided direct criticism of Mr. Trump, Prime Minister Theresa May of Britain, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and President Emmanuel Macron of France said in a rare joint statement that they “stand committed” to the 2015 nuclear deal and that preserving it was “in our shared national security interest.”

    “The nuclear deal was the culmination of 13 years of diplomacy and was a major step towards ensuring that Iran’s nuclear program is not diverted for military purposes,” they added.

    Sigmar Gabriel, Germany’s foreign minister, said that Mr. Trump was sending “a difficult and also from our point of view dangerous signal.”

    He said that the Iran deal, and other diplomatic achievements, were necessary “to convince countries like North Korea, and maybe also others, that it is possible to create security without acquiring nuclear weapons.”

    “Destroying this agreement would, worldwide, mean that others could no longer rely on such agreements — that’s why it is a danger that goes further than Iran,” he added.

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    Russia, which took part in the negotiations to reach the accord and has warned Mr. Trump not to rescind it, said that the president had no basis for disavowing the deal.
    “Iran is abiding” by the nuclear agreement, Mikhail Ulyanov, a director at the Russian foreign ministry, told the Interfax news agency. “Everyone agrees with that. And an attempt to somehow heighten the tensions in this situation looks like unmotivated aggression.”
    In blunt language, Ms. Mogherini, the European Union’s top diplomat, essentially looked past Mr. Trump and appealed to Congress directly.
    America’s next step “is now in the hands of the United States Congress,” she said. “The international community and the European Union with it has clearly indicated that the deal is and will continue to be in place.”

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    The United Arab Emirates, which like Saudi Arabia is a predominantly Sunni Muslim country with a sizable Shiite minority, also said that it “fully supports” Mr. Trump’s stance on Iran.

    Some leaders declared that the deal, reached in 2015 between Iran and six world powers, including the United States, was not something that Mr. Trump could cancel, contending that Mr. Trump was essentially putting on a show for his political base.

    “The president of the United States has many powers — not this one,” the European Union’s top diplomat, Federica Mogherini, said at a news conference in Brussels.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/w...lear-deal.html

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    Trump cares about nothing but the voices in his head telling him he must undo everything Obama did. Doesn't matter to him that it's working or other countries were in on the deal, mostly allies of America, and want the agreement.

    Trump is an idiot who makes the world a more dangerous place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    European Leaders Criticize Trump’s Disavowal of Iran Deal
    OCT. 13, 2017

    LONDON — Iran, Russia and European leaders roundly condemned President Trump’s decision on Friday to disavow the Iran nuclear deal, saying that it reflected the growing isolation of the United States, threatened to destabilize the Middle East and could make it harder to resolve the growing tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

    The reaction was far from panicked, as Mr. Trump’s decision punts to Congress the critical decision of whether the United States will reimpose sanctions on Iran — a step that would effectively sink the deal.

    But Mr. Trump also warned that unless the nuclear agreement was altered and made permanent — to prohibit Iran from ever developing nuclear weapons — he would terminate the agreement, an ultimatum that threw the future of the accord into question.

    Though they avoided direct criticism of Mr. Trump, Prime Minister Theresa May of Britain, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany and President Emmanuel Macron of France said in a rare joint statement that they “stand committed” to the 2015 nuclear deal and that preserving it was “in our shared national security interest.”

    “The nuclear deal was the culmination of 13 years of diplomacy and was a major step towards ensuring that Iran’s nuclear program is not diverted for military purposes,” they added.

    Sigmar Gabriel, Germany’s foreign minister, said that Mr. Trump was sending “a difficult and also from our point of view dangerous signal.”

    He said that the Iran deal, and other diplomatic achievements, were necessary “to convince countries like North Korea, and maybe also others, that it is possible to create security without acquiring nuclear weapons.”

    “Destroying this agreement would, worldwide, mean that others could no longer rely on such agreements — that’s why it is a danger that goes further than Iran,” he added.

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    Russia, which took part in the negotiations to reach the accord and has warned Mr. Trump not to rescind it, said that the president had no basis for disavowing the deal.
    “Iran is abiding” by the nuclear agreement, Mikhail Ulyanov, a director at the Russian foreign ministry, told the Interfax news agency. “Everyone agrees with that. And an attempt to somehow heighten the tensions in this situation looks like unmotivated aggression.”
    In blunt language, Ms. Mogherini, the European Union’s top diplomat, essentially looked past Mr. Trump and appealed to Congress directly.
    America’s next step “is now in the hands of the United States Congress,” she said. “The international community and the European Union with it has clearly indicated that the deal is and will continue to be in place.”

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    The United Arab Emirates, which like Saudi Arabia is a predominantly Sunni Muslim country with a sizable Shiite minority, also said that it “fully supports” Mr. Trump’s stance on Iran.

    Some leaders declared that the deal, reached in 2015 between Iran and six world powers, including the United States, was not something that Mr. Trump could cancel, contending that Mr. Trump was essentially putting on a show for his political base.

    “The president of the United States has many powers — not this one,” the European Union’s top diplomat, Federica Mogherini, said at a news conference in Brussels.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/w...lear-deal.html
    I'm sure there's a lot of interesting stuff there, but I couldn't manage to get past "threatened to destabilize the Middle East..."

    Just as well many of these idiots are unelected, otherwise it would reflect poorly on voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Trump cares about nothing but the voices in his head telling him he must undo everything Obama did. Doesn't matter to him that it's working or other countries were in on the deal, mostly allies of America, and want the agreement.

    Trump is an idiot who makes the world a more dangerous place.
    He's also playing to his redneck base.
    He doesn't understand the deal, his base don't understand the deal, but trigger words such as "Iran" appeal to them and so when Trump speaks of cancelling a deal with Iran, the moron followers breathing through their mouths nod in agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Trump cares about nothing but the voices in his head telling him he must undo everything Obama
    His entire campaign was based on undoing everything Obama admin put in place. Played well enough to get him elected and get a Congressional majority.

    However, the self professed world's greatest negotiator and deal maker has failed to deliver on his promises to the gullible folks who voted for him. No wall paid for by Mexico, no getting out of the UN, no barring muslims entry into the US, no leaving NATO, no replace and replace Obama care, no cancellation of NAFTA, no meanifull immigration reform, no tax reform, no real progress to his 25 million new job promise, and no progress on his huuuge infrastucture programs.

    Better do something even if it's wrong to appease his "base"! Time for desparate measures. Use executive orders and powers he as president has even though he bashed Obama for misuse of executive orders. Nevermind Trump has issued twice the number of executive orders as Obama did over the same period of time.

    His action as in the OP along with his recent action of defunding the Obama care cost-sharing program may be a morsel of red meat to his most ardent supporters but in fact do nothing other than throwing the problem to congress to solve. Of course as with healthcare huuuge fail, congress will not pull out of the Iran deal nor will they vote to increase sanctions.

    Now it is predictable Trump will blame what are clearly his failures on congress. His approval ratings among republicans are dropping like a stone and this action will only add to further loss of support except for the adoring gullible among them who would turn a blind eye if he shot someone on 5th ave.

    Steve Bannon 'thinks Trump only has a 30% chance of serving a full term. Think he's right.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Statement by IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano
    Oct 13, 2017

    Since January 2016, the IAEA has been verifying and monitoring Iran’s implementation of its nuclear-related commitments under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), as requested by the United Nations Security Council and authorized by the IAEA’s Board of Governors.

    As I have reported to the Board of Governors, the nuclear-related commitments undertaken by Iran under the JCPOA are being implemented.

    The IAEA’s verification and monitoring activities address all the nuclear-related elements under the JCPOA. They are undertaken in an impartial and objective manner and in accordance with the modalities defined by the JCPOA and standard safeguards practice.

    Iran is now provisionally implementing the Additional Protocol to its Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement with the IAEA, a powerful verification tool which gives our inspectors broader access to information and locations in Iran. So far, the IAEA has had access to all locations it needed to visit.

    At present, Iran is subject to the world’s most robust nuclear verification regime.

    https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pres...l-yukiya-amano

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    the nuclear-related commitments undertaken by Iran under the JCPOA are being implemented.
    Yep and United Kingdom, Russia, France, China and Germany, the other signers agree and will stick with the deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    At present, Iran is subject to the world’s most robust nuclear verification regime.
    Unlike Israel, which has no IAEA oversight at all and is an aggressive nation armed with nukes. NORK is less aggressive than Israel.
    But criticise Israel, and the US withdraws from UNESCO.
    The most double of double standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Yep and United Kingdom, Russia, France, China and Germany, the other signers agree and will stick with the deal.
    That is the best part of it.

    Iran have $100Bn+ to spend on international trade, and this lot can carve it up between them.

    Start by cancelling the Boeing deal and giving it to someone else.

    That orange idiot has no idea what's he doing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That orange idiot has no idea what's he doing.
    The one who is advising him makes him a real disservice (perhaps on purpose?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That is the best part of it.

    Iran have $100Bn+ to spend on international trade, and this lot can carve it up between them.

    Start by cancelling the Boeing deal and giving it to someone else.

    That orange idiot has no idea what's he doing.

    Weird, the answers are all here and he's running around making a fool of himself.

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    Well all the other JCPOA partners have essentially told him to stop being a c u n t.

    Mind you, he'll run over to one of his rallies where his baying mob of toothless, inbred rednecks all believe his every word.

    Kinda reminds me of the movie "Wag the Dog".

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    Can't trust a word they say can you, they follow the Prophet and they are liars like he was. Bugger agreed a 10 year truce with the Meccans then built up up his army and attacked them as soon as he could, unfortunately winning. As he said he was made victorious by terror (and lying).

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    ^Why he just does not await trustfully to be invaded like Saddam.

    BTW, speaking about a "trust": do you know something about Iran's history of last 70 years or so? Does a name Mosaddegh ring a bell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    The one who is advising him makes him a real disservice (perhaps on purpose?)
    He doesn't listen to the ones advising him. That's obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    He doesn't listen to the ones advising him. That's obvious.
    After so many advisers sacked, at last one who will help him to nail his coffin...

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    This is quite serious, to make angry his EU vassals. Who from the "friends" are left? Just Israel and Saudi (and Kingdom of Tonga).


    Trump has no power to kill off Iran nuclear deal, insists Mogherini
    EU foreign policy boss says the US president ‘has many powers, but not this one’

    Fri, Oct 13, 2017

    US president Donald Trump does not have the power to repudiate the Iran nuclear deal, EU foreign policy boss Federica Mogherini said on Friday night.

    Responding in Brussels to Mr Trump’s “decertification” of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), as the deal is officially called, she said “the president of the United States has many powers, but not this one”.
    The agreement was not a bilateral one, she said, but a multilateral agreement endorsed unanimously by the UN Security Council. “To my knowledge not one country in the world can terminate a Security Council resolution.” The treaty “does not belong to any single country”.

    Ms Mogherini claimed the Trump move was driven by domestic politics and had no standing in international law.
    She defended the enormously detailed 104-page treaty, which she said “will continue to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons”.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...rini-1.3255635

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    That is the best part of it.

    Iran have $100Bn+ to spend on international trade, and this lot can carve it up between them.

    Start by cancelling the Boeing deal and giving it to someone else.

    That orange idiot has no idea what's he doing.

    That should read to the further development of nuclear weapons and ICBMS to mount them on.How can you be so naive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    That should read to the further development of nuclear weapons and ICBMS to mount them on.
    Jeezus christ what a bozo you are. They already have the fucking money. His point was that America will not be getting any of that money if they back out of the deal. You really are one dumb clown.

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    How many countries have Iran invaded in the last 50 years? And how many have America? I'd trust the mad mullahs more than I would Trump not to do anything stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    That should read to the further development of nuclear weapons and ICBMS to mount them on.How can you be so naive?
    The whole point of the JCPOA deal is to stop them getting nukes.

    EVERYONE involved in this deal bar Haley and orange cunto has stated that they are in compliance with the agreement, i.e. they aren't developing nukes.

    If the US tries to trash it, they are then free to go ahead and start developing nukes again.

    How can you be such a prize idiot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    They already have the fucking money.
    Perhaps it has faded away from your attention (and of Trumps'), the money has belonged to Iran, not to USA. That was the Iran's money deposited in USA for various purchases many years ago, kindly frozen by USA. ("they have many powers...")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Perhaps it has faded away from your attention (and of Trumps'), the money has belonged to Iran, not to USA. That was the Iran's money deposited in USA for various purchases many years ago, kindly frozen by USA. ("they have many powers...")
    And where did snubby say it wasn't their money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Jeezus christ what a bozo you are. They already have the fucking money. His point was that America will not be getting any of that money if they back out of the deal. You really are one dumb clown.
    Having comprehension problems,I realize they have the money,money that they can and will spend on furthering there development of nuclear weapons. Talk about a bozo look in the mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The whole point of the JCPOA deal is to stop them getting nukes.

    EVERYONE involved in this deal bar Haley and orange cunto has stated that they are in compliance with the agreement, i.e. they aren't developing nukes.

    If the US tries to trash it, they are then free to go ahead and start developing nukes again.

    How can you be such a prize idiot?
    If this be the case case why are they testing ICBMS and why don't the allow inspectors onto their military sites?

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