Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Who'll be NEXIT? As Sweden declares the EU is going 'in the wrong direction' and calls for a 'reset', which countries are most likely to ever join Britain in ditching Brussels for freedom?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12042885/Wholl-NEXIT-countries-likely-join-Britain-ditching-Brussels-freedom.html

^ Straw clutching by the daily fail?

Only the Brits could be so stupid...

68% Swedes happy being in EU so doubt we will be seeing a Swexit

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Who'll be NEXIT? As Sweden declares the EU is going 'in the wrong direction' and calls for a 'reset', which countries are most likely to ever join Britain in ditching Brussels for freedom?

Thank you for the size . . . Why would you think Sweden would want to leave the EU? The article states that one person in opposition thinks it needs a re-draw . . .

One of the many things the EU can be grateful to the UK for fucking off is that they have shown what a disaster it is . . . but then the soap-dodgers are quite good at that anyway.

Originally Posted by Norton

68% Swedes happy being in EU so doubt we will be seeing a Swexit

Not that I doubt your number, but where did you get it ?

(I am always interested in the questions asked in polls)

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Who'll be NEXIT? As Sweden declares the EU is going 'in the wrong direction' and calls for a 'reset', which countries are most likely to ever join Britain in ditching Brussels for freedom?

Brexit Freedom?

The freedom to impose crushing economic sanctions…on one’s own country.

The whole idiotic charade is the greatest popularity boost the EU could have hoped for.

Originally Posted by helge

Not that I doubt your number, but where did you get it ?

Swedes are among the most positive in Europe regarding EU membership, with 68% in support, according to a survey by Gothenburg University in March.

Head of Sweden'''s No. 2 party calls for rethink of relations with EU | Reuters

A more reliable assessment of feeling across the EU.

Support for leaving EU has fallen significantly across bloc since Brexit | European Union | The Guardian

Originally Posted by cyrille

Support for leaving EU has fallen significantly across bloc since Brexit |

Of course, they don't because now all they have to do is look at how fooked the UK is.

It's funny how all the leavers like toots immediately jumped ship and are basically trying to disavow themselves from something the pushed for years.

Originally Posted by cyrille

A more reliable assessment of feeling across the EU.

Support for leaving EU has fallen significantly across bloc since Brexit | European Union | The Guardian

The Guardian is more reliable than Reuters and Gothenburg University.
Learn sumpin' new everyday...

Apologies - I meant more reliable than the daily fail.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Who'll be NEXIT? As Sweden declares the EU is going 'in the wrong direction' and calls for a 'reset', which countries are most likely to ever join Britain in ditching Brussels for freedom?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12042885/Wholl-NEXIT-countries-likely-join-Britain-ditching-Brussels-freedom.html

Not entirely coincidental this rubbish was published by that rag, The Mail, and posted by Pragmatic whose intellectual heft is not necessarily his strongest suit.

Or, to put it more succinctly, he is a Brexiteer and therefore by definition unhampered by reality.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

posted by Pragmatic whose intellectual heft is not necessarily his strongest suit.

Or, to put it more succinctly, he is a Brexiteer and therefore by definition unhampered by reality.

It's a fair cop.

Originally Posted by cyrille

A more reliable assessment of feeling across the EU.

Support for leaving EU has fallen significantly across bloc since Brexit | European Union | The Guardian

The ESS survey is normally conducted through face-to-face interviews, but due to the Covid-19 pandemic, respondents in six countries – including Austria, Germany, Poland, Sweden and Spain – were asked to complete questionnaires themselves in 2020-2022.
In those countries, the percentage of respondents who said they would not cast a vote was generally higher. Tim Hanson, a senior ESS research fellow, said this was most likely because the questionnaire presented them with that option, whereas interviewers asked people to choose between leave and remain.
The overall effect was to depress the “remain” vote in the “self-complete” countries rather than to increase the “leave” vote, Hanson said. Nonetheless, the difference in survey method meant excluding “no votes” provided a more reliable comparison between the two survey rounds.

Originally Posted by Norton

68% Swedes happy being in EU

Maybe not the same ..poll as yours, as I couldn't read that one, but do you see what I mean about my interest in the questions asked ?

Many swedes prefer to remain in the EU over leaving, which translates to them being.......happy with the EU !

Hmm

No such thing as a happy swede

Generally speaking, Swedes are born several drinks below optimum happiness balance but in attempting to redress the imbalance they often overshoot and become quite tiresome.

Their women are fit though and many take it up the arse.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Their women are fit though and many take it up the arse.

was the a personal poll of one? it would explain why you turned to the darkside with your wingman, it explains a lot more besides.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Their women are fit though and many take it up the arse.

All scandinavians are heavily taxed; your swedish girls probably didn't even notice you using the back entrance.

Well, here we are, three years down the line, and despite all the rhetoric of the right wing ERG Brexitory numpties, Britain is not a powerhouse of economic development where the borders have been secured against foreigners but remains anchored at the bottom of the G7 table, has no measurable growth in the economy which in fact has been reduced by 5% equivalent to a loss of £100 billions annually, has no significant inward development, has seen all its EU citizen outward migration since Brexit exceeded by a net immigrant increase from the third world and the £ remains steadfastly mired in its devaluation at £1=US$1.25.

Lets face it, the Brexiteers have fucked Britain more than Hitler but they still cannot accept responsibility and continue to spout their idiocy by blaming everything that has gone wrong in the seven years on the civil service.

And that streak of putrid paralysed piss, Rees Mogg, still wants 43 years of British social and economic development ripped up in under ten months to be replaced by ………….what? The entire British business community are appalled as indeed are those who drafted the Withdrawal Agreement which would in effect be cancelled by this insanity of “ sunsetting EU legislation “. Britain would then be truly a third world, third country, coon state, a tinpot status earned by its desire to leave the Council of Europe with its binding subscription to the EHRC, a court that was effectively set up by British lawyers in the post war aftermath of chaos and oppression that threatened even more human rights abuses.
Britain has become a shithole and the English are now but turds passing through, flowing along in their sewage drenched streams and rivers to those grey open seas scarcely concealing the siren rocks of their Brexit destruction.

Fuck ‘em.

So when will a political party become brave enough to offer rejoining the EU as an option?

Leaving has provided the misery half the population expected. Thanks Boris, now let's get back to being sensible.

The problem of the referendum was that the demographic comprised 17.6 million assorted stupid, deluded, ignorant, bigoted, prejudiced and malicious idiots drawn from both sides of the political spectrum.

It’s a fix that cannot be broken. Those voters are still with us and the infection is now part of the British body politic.

No one can canvass on the basis of another referendum, it’s a recognised vote loser not least because the English can’t be arsed, they really aren’t interested in anything much other than home ownership, tattoos and ‘ olidayz.

I’m afraid Britain is in terminal decline, the bargain basement poundstretcher shop of a country with contract third world coons hired to clean the toilets, the poor man of Europe and a playground for the rich.

As I said, fuck ‘em.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

the bargain basement poundstretcher shop of a country

Hey, steady on.

They're based in Walsall and, completely unlike BREXIT, they seem to be doing very well.

LITTLEWICK GREEN, England — Aged 22 and not long out of college, George Blundell never expected to win when he ran in municipal elections against a Conservative Party bigwig in a region long loyal to the Tories. But for a young, enthusiastic, former politics student it still seemed worth a shot.

“I was like, ‘Well, what’s stopping me’? It’s not something you get to do every day, is it?” recalled Mr. Blundell, a member of the centrist Liberal Democrats, as he sipped a beer outside the village pub where he once washed dishes as a summer job.

To his surprise, Mr. Blundell is now a councilor representing the area around Littlewick Green, having defeated the powerful incumbent in perhaps the biggest upset from local elections that have sent shock waves through Britain’s governing Conservative Party.

Unhappy about Brexit and aghast at the economic chaos unleashed during Liz Truss’s brief leadership last year, traditional Conservative voters are deserting the party in key English heartlands, contributing to the loss of more than 1,000 municipality seats in voting this month.

With a general election expected next year, that is alarming for Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, who has earned solid marks as a problem solver and seems to have stanched the party’s bleeding from the Ms. Truss fiasco, but whose party nevertheless lags far behind the opposition Labour Party in opinion polls.

In these affluent areas within reach of London — called the “blue wall” after the campaign color of the Conservatives — the Liberal Democrats and the Greens, rather than Labour, made big gains in this month’s local elections. But when the next general election comes, the defection of voters from the Conservative Party could deprive Mr. Sunak of a parliamentary majority and propel Labour’s leader, Keir Starmer, into Downing Street.

It could also sweep from Parliament prominent Conservatives — like the chancellor of the Exchequer, Jeremy Hunt, and the senior cabinet minister, Michael Gove — who hold seats in Conservative southern heartlands, as does the former prime minister, Theresa May, the member of Parliament for Maidenhead.

According to Robert Ford, professor of political science at the University of Manchester, they have only themselves to blame because many moderate Conservatives feel their party has abandoned them, rather than the other way around.

“Their Conservative Party was about stable government and low taxes, and looking after the City of London,” he said, referring to the financial district to which many voters here commute. “This Conservative government has delivered none of that.”

Sign up for the Tilt newsletter, for Times subscribers only. Nate Cohn, The Times’s chief political analyst, makes sense of the latest political data.

“Rishi Sunak turning up and saying ‘Don’t worry, I know we spent five years burning down the house, but someone who is not an arsonist is in charge now,’” Professor Ford said. “Well, it’s not enough.”

Certainly, it proved insufficient in Littlewick Green which, with its village pub, cricket field and pavilion flying British flags, is an unlikely spot for a political insurrection.

Yet, so successful was Mr. Blundell that, when he joined a crowd of around 200 people celebrating the coronation of King Charles III, they greeted their newly-elected representative with spontaneous applause.

Mr. Blundell, who works as a training adviser for an education firm, said he blushed so hard that “I basically turned into a human tomato.” He added: “I’ve known them all for a long time, and I want to do well by them and help them out — even if it’s the smallest things.”

In this quintessential corner of “blue wall” Britain, Mr. Blundell lives with his siblings (he is a triplet) and mother, a vicar, in a house that was once used as a set by the makers of “Midsomer Murders,” a TV detective show featuring gory crimes in scenic English villages.

Mr. Blundell attributes his victory to a combination of national politics, local factors and the complacency of local Conservatives. The night of the count was “spectacular,” he added.

Simon Werner, the leader of the Liberal Democrats in Windsor and Maidenhead, thinks the success can be repeated in a general election. “The ‘blue wall’ is crumbling,” he said. “We’ve proved we can do it on a local basis and now we have to step up and do it at the general election next year.”

In part, the events here represent the aftershocks of the polarizing leadership of Boris Johnson, who won a landslide general election victory in 2019 with the support of voters in deindustrialized areas in the north and middle of England. But Mr. Johnson’s bombastic, pro-Brexit rhetoric, disdain for the business sector and focus on regenerating the north of England never endeared him to moderate Conservatives in the south.

Most stuck with the Tories in 2019 because Labour was then led by the left-winger, Jeremy Corbyn. But with the more centrist Mr. Starmer now firmly in charge, the prospect of a Labour government is no longer so scary for many traditional Tories, liberating them to abandon the Conservatives.

Professor Ford added, the Tories had caricatured and pilloried their own supporters for years, with some Conservative politicians characterizing such voters as a privileged elite.

“If you tell people often enough that they are not welcome, eventually they will get the message,” said Professor Ford.

Even some Conservative lawmakers admit they are worried by the appeal of the Liberal Democrats to these voters.

n Union because it worked for them — yes, I am concerned to attract them back from the Liberal Democrats,” said Steve Baker, a government minister and lawmaker who represents Wycombe, close to Windsor and Maidenhead.

There are demographic factors at play as well, as younger voters relocate from London, a Labour stronghold, forced out by high property prices.

But local issues are important, too. At Maidenhead Golf Club, which was established in 1896, there is anger that the Conservative-controlled municipality facilitated plans to construct around 1,800 houses on the 132 acres of land the club rents — threatening to make the club homeless.

Merv Foulds, a former club treasurer and lifelong Conservative voter, said that on election day he decided not to join his wife at their polling station, adding: “If I had I would not have voted Tory.”
Both locally and nationally the Conservatives are seen as untrustworthy, he said, while Mr. Sunak has yet to prove persuasive.

“Sometimes, when he speaks, you just get the feeling he is speaking down to you,” said Mr. Foulds, an accountant. “At least with Boris you felt that he was talking to you — even though he might have been talking drivel, and maybe lying through his back teeth as well.”

In Woodlands Park, a less affluent district of Windsor and Maidenhead, Barbara Hatfield a cleaner, said she had voted for several parties in recent elections but was worried about hikes in food prices and angry about development in the town center.

“Maidenhead is terrible, it looks like Beirut,” she said of the town, where there has been construction work, adding that she was unsure how she would vote in a general election.

Another uncommitted voter is Mr. Blundell’s mother, Tina Molyneux, who ministers at local churches as well as being head of discipleship and social justice in the diocese of Oxford. She has her own theory of why her son was victorious.

“Everybody was saying ‘There’s got to be a change,’” she said. “There was something to do with youth and a fresh approach.”

Rev. Molyneux said she had previously voted for Mrs. May, whom she still respects, but will not support her at the general election because the Conservatives have “gone to the right.”

Trounced, Conservatives Feel Voters’ Wrath in English Heartlands - The New York Times

Why is Farage still in the UK...



Time Mr Smug fooked off...

Originally Posted by Troy

Time Mr Smug fooked off...

Surely the Brexit-fans here (who have been silent for a while now) could offer him a place to stay.