Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Joe 90

The world didn't end

And the sky didn't fall in, either.
And what about that pound/dollar parity some slobbering idiot predicted? GBP1 = USD1.36 now.

Originally Posted by Neverna

And what about that pound/dollar parity some slobbering idiot predicted? GBP1 = USD1.36 now.

Bless him.

Not gloating at all. Just surprised that the civil servant Barnier was pushed aside at the last minute, so that the former German defense minister, now employed by the EU, could claim all the credit for getting the deal over the line at the last minute. What the Fock has Barnier been doing for the last 4 years?
At least the Fanny in Pattaya will be pleased to know that VAT on tampons has been eradicated.

It’s quite amusing, given the state of the US and it’s political mayhem over the last four years, that one of their citizens now feels empowered to pronounce on just how the UK can expect politics to be organized.

Knuckle draggers, will always require a lengthy string to attach their idiot mittens to.

View from the EU: Britain 'taken over by gamblers, liars, clowns and their cheerleaders'

Britain faces an uncertain future as it finally pulls clear of the EU’s orbit, continental commentators have predicted, its reputation for pragmatism and probity shredded by a Brexit process most see as profoundly populist and dangerously dishonest.


“For us, the UK has always been seen as like-minded: economically progressive, politically stable, respect for the rule of law – a beacon of western liberal democracy,” said Rem Korteweg, of the Clingendael Institute thinktank in the Netherlands.


“I’m afraid that’s been seriously hit by the past four years. The Dutch have seen a country in a deep identity crisis; it’s been like watching a close friend go through a really, really difficult time. Brexit is an exercise in emotion, not rationality; in choosing your own facts. And it’s not clear how it will end.”


Britain’s long-polished pragmatic image had been “seriously tarnished”, agreed Nicolai von Ondarza, of the German Institute for International and Security Affairs. But trust in the UK, too, had taken a heavy battering on the Brexit rollercoaster.


“That’s particularly been the case over the past year,” Von Ondarza said. “Boris Johnson has always been seen as a bit of a gambler, displaying a certain … flexibility with the truth. But observing him him as prime minister has only made that worse.”


Germans tended to view international politics “very much through the prism of international law”, Von Ondarza said, so Johnson’s willingness to ignore it – in the form, particularly, of the internal market bill – was deeply shocking.


“The idea that you’d willingly violate an international treaty that you’d negotiated and signed barely eight months previously … That’s just not something you do among allies,” he said. “That whole episode really damaged Britain’s credibility.”


Others were more brutal still. In Der Spiegel, Nikolaus Blome said there was “absolutely nothing good about Brexit … which would never have happened had Conservative politicians not, to a quite unprecedented degree, deceived and lied to their people”.


Much of the British media, Blome said, “were complicit, constantly trampling on fairness and facts”, leaving Britain “captured by gambling liars, frivolous clowns and their paid cheerleaders. They have destroyed my Europe, to which the UK belonged as much as France or Germany.”


But Johnson’s lies were the biggest of all, he said: “‘Take back control,’ Johnson lied to his citizens. But all the British government will finally have achieved is to have taken back control of a little shovel and a little sand castle.”


The “sovereignty” in whose name Brexit was done remained, essentially, a myth, said Jean-Dominique Giuliani, of the Robert Schuman Foundation in France. “It is history, geography, culture, language and traditions that make up the identity of a people,” Giuliani said, “not their political organisation.”


It is “wrong to believe peoples and states can permanently free themselves from each other, or take decisions without considering the consequences for their citizens and partners. ‘Take back control’ is a nationalist, populist slogan that ignores the reality of an interdependent world … Our maritime neighbour will be much weakened.”


The German historian Helene von Bismarck doubted Brexit would end what she described as a very British brand of populism. “British populism is a political method, not an ideology, and it does not become redundant with Brexit,” she said.


Von Bismarck identified two key elements in this method: an emotionalisation and over-simplification of highly complex issues, such as Brexit, the Covid pandemic or migration, and a reliance on bogeymen or enemies at home and abroad.


“Populists depend on enemies, real or imagined, to legitimise their actions and deflect from their own shortcomings,” she said. If the EU has been the “enemy abroad” since 2016, it will steadily be replaced by “enemies within”: MPs, civil servants, judges, lawyers, experts, the BBC.


“Individuals and institutions who dare to limit the power of the executive, even if it is just by asking questions, are at constant risk of being denounced as ‘activists’” by the Johnson government, Von Bismarck said. “Everyone has political motives – except for the government, which seeks to define ‘neutrality’.”


Brexit itself is being framed as “the grand departure, the moment the UK is finally free and sovereign, when all problems can be solved with common sense and optimism – justifying a more ‘pragmatic’ approach to rules, constitutional conventions and institutions” that actually amounts to a “worrying disregard for the rule of law”.


“British populism” would continue, she said, especially when the real, hard consequences of the pandemic and Brexit started to bite.


“It is naive to expect a political style which ridicules complexity, presents people with bogeymen to despise, and prides itself on ‘doing what it necessary’ even if ‘elites’ and institutions get in the way, to lose its appeal in times of hardship,” she said.


Elvire Fabry, of France’s Institut Jacques Delors, said the past four years had shown Europeans and Britons “just how little we really knew each other”. They had also revealed, she said, the fragility of a parliamentary system seen by many on the continent as a point of reference.


“It’s been difficult for us to anticipate, at times even to interpret, what’s happened” in the UK, Fabry said. “The direction Johnson has taken the Conservative party in – we didn’t see that coming. The course he’s setting for the country. The polarisation. And the way MPs have been bypassed since he became prime minister ….”


Most striking of all, she said, was how the politics prevailing in Britain had become “detached from geopolitical reality – from the way the world is developing. It’s a political vision turned towards yesterday’s world. Ideological. The way the trade deal focused on goods at the expense of services … It’s not the way the world’s going.”


Painful as the Brexit process may have been for Europeans, however, it had at least demonstrated “the reality and value of the single market, its rules and norms, and of the EU’s basis in law”, Fabry said. “Those are at the heart of the European identity – and defending them has given the union a new political maturity.”


It had also, concluded Korteweg, served as a warning. “I think it’s taught us all just how vulnerable our political processes are,” he said. “Just eight years ago, leaving the EU was a seriously fringe proposition in British politics, and now look where you are. So we’ve seen how fragile it all is, what we’ve built – and how worth defending.”

View from the EU: Britain 'taken over by gamblers, liars, clowns and their cheerleaders' | Brexit | The Guardian

Originally Posted by Neverna

And what about that pound/dollar parity some slobbering idiot predicted? GBP1 = USD1.36 now

DXY:CURDOLLAR INDEX SPOT

Difficult to :

Originally Posted by cyrille

View from the EU: Britain 'taken over by gamblers, liars, clowns and their cheerleaders' | Brexit | The Guardian

So easily convinced by cherry picking snippets from a single (biased) source.

Who next Cy? Islington single mother’s alliance, disenfranchised eurotrash, or Black Country Casino Association?
I’ll wait.

You know you've succeeded when even your Dad wants to change citizenship....


I ended up watching Macron's New Year address to his nation instead of Bo-Jo's this year.

Switch obviously missed it...

A little late, though may The Citizens of the lost empire, may they look forward to the Future, with the losing side and have empathy for their fear of the unknown.

Originally Posted by Neverna

And the sky didn't fall in, either.
And what about that pound/dollar parity some slobbering idiot predicted? GBP1 = USD1.36 now.

I rather think the forecast was based on the consensus of traders agreeing that a radical sterling devaluation would occur in the event of a hard Brexit taking place on WTO terms after a failed attempt to negotiate a free trade pact. As it is, one was agreed in circumstances in which the UK gave in and accepted the condition they would honour the level playing field relationship to the EU states and of course to abide by the NI/EU nexus.

You of course lack the mental acuity to comprehend this but that is scarcely surprising given you are, after all, quite, quite stupid.

Similarly, such mental deficiency also applies to the silly arse who fatuously claims all is well under the new regime at a time when the entire fucking country is paralysed and of course the EU have agreed to suspend transport protocols for six month allowing for a future substantive agreement to be negotiated.

Sometimes, one truly does marvel at Brexshit cretinism.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I rather think the forecast was based on the consensus of traders agreeing that a radical sterling devaluation would occur in the event of a hard Brexit taking place on WTO terms after a failed attempt to negotiate a free trade pact. As it is, one was agreed in circumstances in which the UK gave in and accepted the condition they would honour the level playing field relationship to the EU states and of course to abide by the NI/EU nexus.

You of course lack the mental acuity to comprehend this but that is scarcely surprising given you are, after all, quite, quite stupid.

Similarly, such mental deficiency also applies to the silly arse who fatuously claims all is well under the new regime at a time when the entire fucking country is paralysed and of course the EU have agreed to suspend transport protocols for six month allowing for a future substantive agreement to be negotiated.

Sometimes, one truly does marvel at Brexshit cretinism.

Exchange rate: Wrong
Barnier: Wrong
Trade deal: Wrong
And still you manage to find feeble excuses, based on you being wrong, wrong, wrong.

Such is the sadness of your paltry and disconnected lifestyle, a very long way from Brexit reality. No praise for Barnier, withdrawn and replaced by a failed politician. No crashing of exchange rates, and no WTO exit, because you are such a bitter and twisted old trout, stuck in a 3rd world hell hole with a property no one wants.

You are still a boring, repetitive waste of a good skin. Brexit has come back and bit you on your sorry arse. Time for you, and your pathetic, failed predictions to remain silent.

Originally Posted by Switch

because you are such a bitter and twisted old trout, stuck in a 3rd world hell hole with a property

Says the man who's backpacking and bumming off temples in Bali

Originally Posted by Switch

Such is the sadness of your paltry and disconnected lifestyle, a very long way from Brexit reality.

Jeez is there no limit to your stupidity, you stay on a chav island with lots of chav neighbours.....

Originally Posted by Chico

bumming off temples in Bali

What are you trying - I emphasis the wrd 'trying' - to say? "bumming off temples".

Originally Posted by Chico

you stay on a chav island with lots of chav neighbours

Says the man-child who has never been to Bali, knows nothing about Bali and knows even less about switch

Everyone kows you simply make things up . . . nice

Originally Posted by Chico

is there no limit to your stupidity

Even you must know this is far too ironic to be funny . . . yet one has to laugh. At you

I read some media reports of English being dropped from the list of EU official languages. I would be very surprised if this happens, I know the EU schools are still running English, French and German as the main 3 in Germany. Many EU countries run English as the second language.
I call BS on this report.

oh look the stalker appears, having a bad day again sad fuck.......

Originally Posted by panama hat

What are you trying - I emphasis the wrd 'trying' - to say? "bumming off temples".


Says the man-child who has never been to Bali, knows nothing about Bali and knows even less about switch

Everyone kows you simply make things up . . . nice



Even you must know this is far too ironic to be funny . . . yet one has to laugh. At you

Originally Posted by Troy

I read some media reports of English being dropped from the list of EU official languages. I would be very surprised if this happens, I know the EU schools are still running English, French and German as the main 3 in Germany. Many EU countries run English as the second language.
I call BS on this report.

That simply wouldn't happen. English is still the lingua franca, irrespective of Brexit.

Day 2 and all is well in Blighty, apart from a little snow.

Life in the UK is good

Britain was even better before the morons in power forced the people of Britain to join the Eu. It may not have been perfect back then but it was a damn sight better than now.

The ironic thing is, if the UK actually joined a little further, and joined the exchange rate mechanism, it would have started to unwind the perpetual dual debtor condition that the UK has. As it has done for other EU members. But they didn't.

As Peter Hitchens says, they were half in, now they are half out.

Day 3 and all is good in Britain.

Land of hope and glory, we are leading the way for a better world

Originally Posted by Grumpy John

Britain was even better before the morons in power forced the people of Britain to join the Eu. It may not have been perfect back then but it was a damn sight better than now.

It's so refreshing reading chico-skidmark level idiocy from a third party

So have the 'Remoaners' now affiliated themselves to become 'Rejoiners'? And will the 'Brexiteers' be called something else?

No, Prag, you shall remain as you always have been, fucking idiots.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

No, Prag, you shall remain as you always have been, fucking idiots.

Happy New Year.

Originally Posted by Troy

You know you've succeeded when even your Dad wants to change citizenship

Why is Stanley Johnson applying for a French passport?

Speaking in French to France’s RTL radio, Stanley said he considers himself French, since his mother was born there. “It’s not about becoming French. If I understand correctly I am French! My mother was born in France, her mother was completely French as was her grandfather,” he said.

Johnson voted ‘Remain’ during the 2016 referendum, but later changed his mind, and has since expressed support for leaving.

Explained: Why is UK PM Boris Johnson’s father applying for French citizenship? | Explained News,The Indian Express