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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    It is Christmas can you lot give it a rest?
    Mostly civil, on topic discussion?

    About the most divisive topic our country has had to address in most of our lifetimes?

    wtf?

    Did you miss a page?

    Are you pissed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    A quick checklist of what the Brexit deal means...

    Attachment 62186

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    The cost of sovereignty, something that the UK always had....
    For the benefit of Tax and others also challenged by incipient dementia who think the deal marks some sort of victory, I re-post the snapshot analysis of what it actually achieved for Brexitania.

    As I have said before, this thin, paltry economic arrangement represents a diminution of benefit to the country's citizens and is in fact a backward step that all pundits including the Treasury, the OBR and the BoE agree means GDP will grow less than it would have done had the country remained in the EU. Voluntarily negotiating a worse deal than what one already had is of course stupid and irrational but then, that is Brexit for you.

    But that whiff of Brexit rhetoric expelled so pungently from the fundament of its followers, so ably represented by the demented Tax, still pervades the cybersphere as they boast that the deal means they are free to negotiate better deals with the world and sell more. To date, every deal so far negotiated has been a simple re-hash of that which already existed as a consequence of its membership of the EU. So, as I said before what is it that this new economic colossus will sell to the world that it couldn't before Brexit?

    C'mon, Tax, and this of course also applies to the addled Chas, tell us all what it is that Britiain is now going to sell to the world that it couldn't before which will make everyone rich enough to buy a unicorn and prance happily ever after on sun-dappled uplands.

    And remember any profit on goods traded on the Continent will now be diminished by the customs clearance protocol fees originally estimated by HMRC to be £14 billions annually but now revised under threat from Bozo the Clown to an implausibly lower figure of £7 billions.

    The sheer stupidity of Brexit remains and will hamper Britain for decades to come as it struggles in its isolation of dull mediocrity wallowing between the cold waters of the Atlantic and North Sea with only the tattered rags of colonial nostalgia to keep it warm.

    I see that despite the bombastic and absurd huzzahs spouted by Bozo about victory and breaking the shackles of the evil EU Empire, the £ remains more or less anchored to its nw floor reflecting the opinion among the economic cognoscenti that Brexitania has just bought itself a turkey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bozo633 View Post
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    I've taken back control of my life.
    Good Lord . . . and because this is all about YOU, the rest is irrelevant

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    s.a.



    in spite of your hyperbole, verbosity and intransigence you really are quite clueless sometimes.

    there would have been no point whatsoever in suddenly regaining the right to 100% of the fish in uk waters. the british fleet just does not the capacity to catch it all.

    the uk fishing industry now has 5 years to build up its fleets and onshore processing facilities so as to take advantage of the increased quotas that it will gain after 5 years.
    And if you think that the signatories to the London Agreement whose fleets currently fish the Channel and North Sea are going to see their catch reduced from the current agreed level by a significant degree then you are a bigger idiot than I have begun to take you for.

    As the consensus among the market makers and dealers has already concluded, this deal is simply the beginning of a long process that has merely postponed a more realistic resolution. It is, as they say, a fig leaf deal to spare the blushes.

    The reality is that once again Bozo has caved in but in time the real trouble will come from the lumpen credulous masses of England when they realise that nothing has changed and they remain mired in the English low wage culture with living standards falling, inflation rising and the carpetbagger cronies of Bozo, Mogg et al get richer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bozo633 View Post
    'm spending an hour per day building an online business
    May 2021 be a new dawn for you, your budding business and family.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    whose fleets currently fish the Channel and North Sea
    How many of this fleet's ships are owned, managed and manned by UK citizens?

    What % of the UK annual fishing waters quota/permit holders, are UK citizens?

    Unless you can answer those questions with official statements you cannot understand the affect.

    Here is a recent BBC article on the subject:

    Brexit trade deal: Who really owns UK fishing quotas?

    Brexit trade deal: Who really owns UK fishing quotas? - BBC News

    Another here:

    Who owns the UK fishing industry and its fishing quotas?

    Marinet – Marine Conservation For The UK

    They both raise many questions that may or may not have been discussed, agreed on and must be included in the allegedly signed and sealed, treaty.
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    Ursula von der Leyen liked to call it “the hammer”, the EU’s ultimate weapon of retaliation if Britain strayed from an agreement on fishing rights.

    And in a phone call at 8pm on Monday night, it was also the device that almost killed off a Brexit trade deal for good.

    In a tense conversation between the European Commission president and Prime Minister Boris Johnson, described by insiders as the key call of the entire trade talks, Mrs von der Leyen insisted that any British backsliding over fishing rights would be met with tariffs on all British goods, not just fish.

    The UK, she said, would have to sign up to such jeopardy as the price of a deal.

    Boris Johnson was equally adamant. He could not possibly sign up to a deal that included such a punishment clause, as it was “not in the interests of the British people”.

    'Lots of lobster, no hammer'
    Adopting Mrs von der Leyen’s mother tongue, he told her: “Viel Hummer, kein Hammer,” or "lots of lobster, no hammer".

    Mrs von der Leyen was finally forced to accept that Mr Johnson was serious about walking away from the table, even at such a late stage, and after consulting with EU leaders, the “hammer” was abandoned.

    “It was far and away the key call of the whole process,” said one source on the British side. “When the EU dropped the hammer clause, it felt as though that unlocked the deal.”

    British officials who had gone back to their hotels and packed their suitcases to come home were told to head back to the European Commission headquarters to thrash out a deal.

    s.a.
    The sheer stupidity of Brexit remains and will hamper Britain for decades to come as it struggles in its isolation of dull mediocrity wallowing between the cold waters of the Atlantic and North Sea with only the tattered rags of colonial nostalgia to keep it warm.
    the most important benefit of the deal is that we are at long last free from the bullying clutches of brussels, who have shown over the years that they exist only to impose, by any means possible, their will. their history of punishing states other than france of germany that seek to deviate from the rigid path of federalism and subservience that delivers riches to the powerful alpha member states whilst trapping the minnow states and the southern states in a financial straight jacket that slowly chokes them.

    we are free of them and will now sink or swim depending on how we adapt, and i have no doubt that over the next few years we will adapt very well and the biggest fear of the eu, that we will thrive without them, will come to pass.

    thats all the eu care about. domination and strangulation. that a member could actually challenge them and succeed is their greatest fear.

    your constant self identification as a "european" whilst having been brought up in asia, being of irish heritage and now your retirement in thailand smacks of nothing more than trolling and self loathing. you are about as much a european as hitler was an enlightened liberal.

    we walk away from them with our pride intact, and thats the difference between the leavers and remainers. you lot are are happy to kiss their arses in return for a quiet life and the scraps they throw you, scared of losing a few quid, and most importantly scared of facing a new challenge.

    if in 4 or 5 years you havent passed away due to the effects of the boredom of living in pattaya or the imposition of yet more onerous anti foreigner regulations by the increasingly xenophobic thais, then we can revisit this subject and compare notes. has the uk become the third world shithole you hope it becomes, or has it re booted itself into a proud, vibrant and successful economy and has emboldened some of the other eu states to re think their future.

    its a long game s.a. and jan 1st 2021 marks half time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    we are at long last free from the bullying clutches of brussel
    You must have missed this:

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    "If one side feels they are being undercut by the other, Subject to independent third party arbitration ...."

    Who are the arbitrators, WTO or Isle of Man?

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    Sounds better than I expected, without looking at the details, so could be wrong and waiting for the assguy to duly explain why we're still deservedly doomed.

    While the EU is hurtling toward the big pop to devastate the continent and send shock waves in all directions, UK will also hurt but better out than in.

    That said, while UK avoided WTO, with ways to go yet, the downside is its bunch of rotten to the core leaders that'll find a way to fcuk up any situation, and that's without covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    s.a.


    the most important benefit of the deal is that we are at long last free from the bullying clutches of brussels, who have shown over the years that they exist only to impose, by any means possible, their will. their history of punishing states other than france of germany that seek to deviate from the rigid path of federalism and subservience that delivers riches to the powerful alpha member states whilst trapping the minnow states and the southern states in a financial straight jacket that slowly chokes them.

    we are free of them and will now sink or swim depending on how we adapt, and i have no doubt that over the next few years we will adapt very well and the biggest fear of the eu, that we will thrive without them, will come to pass.

    thats all the eu care about. domination and strangulation. that a member could actually challenge them and succeed is their greatest fear.

    your constant self identification as a "european" whilst having been brought up in asia, being of irish heritage and now your retirement in thailand smacks of nothing more than trolling and self loathing. you are about as much a european as hitler was an enlightened liberal.

    we walk away from them with our pride intact, and thats the difference between the leavers and remainers. you lot are are happy to kiss their arses in return for a quiet life and the scraps they throw you, scared of losing a few quid, and most importantly scared of facing a new challenge.

    if in 4 or 5 years you havent passed away due to the effects of the boredom of living in pattaya or the imposition of yet more onerous anti foreigner regulations by the increasingly xenophobic thais, then we can revisit this subject and compare notes. has the uk become the third world shithole you hope it becomes, or has it re booted itself into a proud, vibrant and successful economy and has emboldened some of the other eu states to re think their future.

    its a long game s.a. and jan 1st 2021 marks half time.
    What utter drivel.

    You evidently have consumed so much Kipper/Tory Loon propaganda you actually have come to believe that their codswallop the EU was an oppressive and stifling deadweight on British interests and development was true.

    Cummings played this British victimhood schtick so much throughout the "take back control" campaign that the lumpen stupid and parochial xenophobic demographic were utterly brainwashed into the fatuous notion that their EU membership actually caused the 2008 crash and years of austerity imposed by the Tories subsequently.

    As I said, you gullible sap, just what the fuck are you going to sell to the world that you couldn't sell before Brexit?

    Britain has fucked itself for a fantasy peddled by a bunch of geriatric Tory loons each one of whom has spent their political life voting for reactionary policies suppressing the aspirations of the common man.

    Did the EU tell the UK to go to war in Iraq? Did it fix the budget raising VAT from 17.5 % to 20%? Did it fuck.

    In terms of socio-economic legislation affecting intra EU trade the UK like all the member states agreed to abide by a common framework ensuring stability and cohesion within the association governed by representatives appointed by those member states. Everything else was and always has been down to individual states exercising their respective freedoms and rights within their own legislated mandates. And in matters of national interest and security each state could derogate within parameters agreed by all. Real sovereignty has never been an issue but don't tell the credulous English that.

    You are a posturing buffoon arguing a case for the stupid on behalf of a right wing ultra nationalistic band of shites just itching to get back on top to exploit the masses as they did to such disastrous effect during the years Britain became the poor man of Europe.

    Brexit is all about what you lost in return for what you will never get, you silly old man.

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    tsk tsk tsk, such anger !


    behalf of a right wing ultra nationalistic band of shites just itching to get back on top to exploit the masses as they did to such disastrous effect during the years Britain became the poor man of Europe.
    like most socialists, you really have no idea do you.

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    Brexit - It's Still On!-battlebus-jpg

    Instead of going to the NHS the money will go into extra bureaucracy requiring even more civil servants. SA should be proud of this and the rest of you ashamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Instead of going to the NHS the money will go into....
    'The Money' was totally fictitious in the first place.

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    Oh the remongers are still crying, Lets hope their not going to be copying the American cousins by whinging for the next 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    remongers
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
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    tsk tsk tsk, such anger !




    like most socialists, you really have no idea do you.
    Given I voted for Cameron twice I rather think you are the one talking out of his arse.

    The fundamental problem with the Brexit herd is that they are quite simply too stupid to listen to anything very much other than their own inane doctrine smelted in the crucible of bigotry and nationalistic prejudice and that they will, in the words of The Clown, prosper mightily as they best Johnny Foreigner.

    You people are really no different to the Germans who were content to ignore the slaughter of millions because they were utterly convinced by their nazi masters that the future belonged to them.

    You Tax are the preposterous little small town Burgermeister joyously decking ehis parish in fluttering little nazi pennants as the Jews were yellow-starred and shipped out to the gas chambers.

    You are nothing more than a gullible, craven, stupid rabble incapable of independent thought but your time will be short and when the inevitable economic decline embeds and the tax chickens come back to roost there will be a reckoning indeed.

    Scottish independence will be a catalyst if it comes to fruition.

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    Brexit - It's Still On!-quote-politics-entertainment-branch-industry-frank

    plus an apt tune:

    "Girl you thought he was a man
    But he was a muffin
    He hung around till you found
    That he didn't know nuthin'"




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bozo633 View Post
    However, there's far more to quality of life than money. I've taken back control of my life.
    Way to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Given I voted for Cameron twice I rather think you are the one talking out of his arse.

    The fundamental problem with the Brexit herd is that they are quite simply too stupid to listen to anything very much other than their own inane doctrine smelted in the crucible of bigotry and nationalistic prejudice and that they will, in the words of The Clown, prosper mightily as they best Johnny Foreigner.

    You people are really no different to the Germans who were content to ignore the slaughter of millions because they were utterly convinced by their nazi masters that the future belonged to them.

    You Tax are the preposterous little small town Burgermeister joyously decking ehis parish in fluttering little nazi pennants as the Jews were yellow-starred and shipped out to the gas chambers.

    You are nothing more than a gullible, craven, stupid rabble incapable of independent thought but your time will be short and when the inevitable economic decline embeds and the tax chickens come back to roost there will be a reckoning indeed.

    Scottish independence will be a catalyst if it comes to fruition.

    What are you going to whinge about when it's all over?

    Or will you just be scouring the news for tales of woe and bemoaning "This would never have happened if they'd listened to me!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    tsk tsk tsk, such anger !
    Excellent retort . . . it shows both your grasp of the situation and your linguistic skills

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post




    .......ERASMUS


    a fortune was paid to the eu to be part of that programme, the money saved by not sending "faux " students to study pasta making or aromatherapy in florence or to be brainwashed by euro-left academics in the sorbonne will be put to sending "proper" students to harvard or the ecole polytechnique in paris.

    The programme up to 2015 was aimed at tertiary students on recognised degree courses who had completed their first year at Uni. Funding was sourced from the EU budget and grants of up to EUR300 were available to students that were channelled through the host universities. The UK universities did well out of ERASMUS receiving almost double the number of students from the EU than were sent to it in an average year. The average length of time for an exchange between universities was around 6 months. In recent years, say 2015, the UK received over EUR 115 million from the EU for ERASMUS students.

    The programme has now been extended and is now known as ERASMUS + which includes exchanges of those on vocational training, voluntary aid, and teacher training and its budget has been increased by the EU with a much greater proportion going to the UK had it remained in the EU.

    Over 250,0000 British students participated in the exchange programme.

    The UK's post Brexit contribution to remaining in the ERASMUS was estimated at around £200 million annually, a figure considerably less than that posited by the lying Clown but then, who on earth would be stupid enough to believe anything the fat slug would say ( certainly not his previous wives, mistresses, employers or indeed the country).

    They are the facts, Tax, and not the bilge you spewed out from the arse end of the Daily Telegraph with which most normal, sentient folk seized of a functioning brain would not even use as toilet paper.

    Lt's face it Tax, you are a lying propagandist and arsewipe which of course is your prerogative but please, do not spout your shite dressed as truth.

    This new vaunted Turing project will of course be aimed at the target demographic of white middle class moneyed students with a few token poor and blacks.

    There is not a single benefit to Brexit and that is the reality. Whether it is trade, real sovereignty, social benefit, unfettered free movement permitting opportunity across the board for all society's groups and education, Brexit remains the same story, one of restriction, bureaucratic control, barriers, economic loss and parochial isolation.

    You are in truth the archetypal Brexit wanker; blinkered, biased and alienated by truth.
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    The deal, all 1264 pages:

    Recommendation for a Council Decision approving the conclusion, by the European Commission, of the Agreement between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the European Atomic Energy Community for Cooperation on the Safe and Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy and the conclusion, by the European Commission, on behalf of the European Atomic Energy Community, of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement between the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community, of the one part, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, of the other part

    https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/re...X-1-PART-1.PDF

    Brexit Deal Done, Britain Now Scrambles to See How It Will Work

    Britain is finally departing from the European Union, but its formal exit is only the beginning of a high-stakes experiment to unstitch commercial relations across an integrated continent.

    Brexit Deal Done, Britain Now Scrambles to See How It Will Work - The New York Times

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