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    It has certainly become more entertaining now that The Stupid are well and truly in the driving seat.

    I cannot recall seeing anything like it in all my time. I suppose the last time the Tories did anything as fucking stupid as Brexit was Suez.

    BoJo will b gone by next spring and the punkawalla Rishi will be the next PM.

    What larks, eh? Taking back control and two wobble heads as PM and Home Secretary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    the EU needs to tell the UK to fuck off and die,

    I can't wait to see those fookers to lose it and cry in their beers
    They are certainly doing that. The poor brittle limey chavs can't catch a break

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    ^Doing another tribute act?


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    Well, at least Bo-Jo has agreed a trade deal with the EU is important to the UK.

    The talks are going to drag on another month...

    The UK does need to break free from the UK worker rights shit though, it is strangling work output in the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Well, at least Bo-Jo has agreed a trade deal with the EU is important to the UK.

    The talks are going to drag on another month...

    The UK does need to break free from the UK worker rights shit though, it is strangling work output in the EU.
    I’m sure that statement makes sense to someone.

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    ^ Anyone with half an ounce of intelligence could work out what I meant. Obviously that rules you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ Anyone with half an ounce of intelligence could work out what I meant. Obviously that rules you out.
    How is UK worker rights strangling the EU worker output.

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    ^ Do you have to be so obtuse all the time...

    The EU regulations and especially their interpretation in Germany and France are having negative effects on productivity.

    The EU are trying to make the UK adopt the EU working regulations after Brexit as part of the 'level playing field'

    I think this is something that the UK should not sign up to post Brexit.

    The rules are complex and limit working hours and enforce even professionals to clock in and out. It has got much worse over the last 4 or 5 years.

    Spoonfeed over....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ Do you have to be so obtuse all the time...

    The EU regulations and especially their interpretation in Germany and France are mhaving negative effects on productivity.

    The EU are trying to make the UK adopt the EU working regulations after Brexit as part of the 'level playing field'

    I think this is something that the UK should not sign up to post Brexit.

    The rules are complex and limit working hours and enforce even professionals to clock in and out. It has got much worse over the last 4 or 5 years.

    Spoonfeed over....
    Sorry, that still does not explain how the UK is responsible for EU working regulations being so complex and confusing? The German works council has a lot to answer for.

    Why should the UK adopt any EU regulation, just to ease your personal concerns? They are leaving, and that includes inappropriate work regulations that only apply to EU companies.

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    Exit is still a fraud. Military union continues unabated. It's just a ruse to remove the uK veto.

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    ^^ You should read up on the negotiations and the sticking points in those negotiations. This was an argument siding for the UK not against. You missed the point and the opportunity because you just want to argue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^^ You should read up on the negotiations and the sticking points in those negotiations. This was an argument siding for the UK not against. You missed the point and the opportunity because you just want to argue.
    Wrong again. I want someone(I.e. you) to explain how production is affected by this issue, as you claimed. I doubt very much that the answer will be found in google.
    Just admit that you fucked up by posting nonsense, and move on.

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    ^ Why do I bother...

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...114-lpf_en.pdf

    Download and read, my point is related to slide 13:

    Substantive Rules
    Non-regression from common standards in place at the end of the transition period in labour and social protection in relation to at least:
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    fundamental rights at work
    ooccupational health and safety, including the precautionary principle
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    fair working conditions and employment standards
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    information and consultation rights at company level and restructuring
    and slide 17:

    Non-lowering of higher domestic labour and environmental standards in order to encourage trade and investment
    The EU want the Working Directive to be maintained post Brexit.


    The working directive favours more people working less over less people working more irrespective of the nature of that work.
    It also favours larger companies over smaller ones and a labour force that prefers time off to increased salary.
    It removes individualism and (IMO) incentive to work and I have seen the practical effects of this resulting in experts leaving Germany in several industries.

    In general, the labour force in the UK (and Eire) prefer additional salary over time off (Several studies circa 2007 show this, as does average hours/worker stats)


    It has nothing to do with me. I am not pro-Brexit and prefer time-off, which is why I am in Germany and can work 9 months/year and take 3 months off in Thailand.

    Now get a grip of yourself and stop trying to be clever...it doesn't suit you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ Why do I bother...

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...114-lpf_en.pdf

    Download and read, my point is related to slide 13:



    and slide 17:



    The EU want the Working Directive to be maintained post Brexit.


    The working directive favours more people working less over less people working more irrespective of the nature of that work.
    It also favours larger companies over smaller ones and a labour force that prefers time off to increased salary.
    It removes individualism and (IMO) incentive to work and I have seen the practical effects of this resulting in experts leaving Germany in several industries.

    In general, the labour force in the UK (and Eire) prefer additional salary over time off (Several studies circa 2007 show this, as does average hours/worker stats)


    It has nothing to do with me. I am not pro-Brexit and prefer time-off, which is why I am in Germany and can work 9 months/year and take 3 months off in Thailand.

    Now get a grip of yourself and stop trying to be clever...it doesn't suit you
    I am not trying to be clever at all.
    I have said right from the beginning that you, want to cherry pick those regulations that suit you personally.
    In or out, you can’t have it both ways.
    Neither the EU or the uk will agree a deal that suits you personally at their own expense. Live with it or get off the pot.
    The UK wants out, deal or no deal. The EU want to retain primacy. It’s not going to happen, just because Troy does not like a minor detail for the big boys. Wind your neck in and stop being a complete dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    I am not trying to be clever at all.
    No you are a twat and not even watching the race you utter coont.

    Proof you know fuck all.

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    Macron has more or less given up on the idea of full union, with borders, laws, taxes and everything else set by a single gov based in Bruxelles, playing dice over 27 provinces; could be because he realises it ain't going to happen, or that he knows he will never be its Presidente.

    Must commend Lagarde's super smart idea of a digital currency, that ought to defer the big bang by a whole year or two, at tremendous cost but what's a trillion or two of future generations' money when you're going down anyway. But as ever we have a bright side, with the saving grace that as the incompetent and corrupt bureauprats scramble to steal billions during the breakdown confusion, they and our own experts will be able to blame both Brexit and the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ Do you have to be so obtuse all the time...

    The EU regulations and especially their interpretation in Germany and France are having negative effects on productivity.

    The EU are trying to make the UK adopt the EU working regulations after Brexit as part of the 'level playing field'

    I think this is something that the UK should not sign up to post Brexit.

    The rules are complex and limit working hours and enforce even professionals to clock in and out. It has got much worse over the last 4 or 5 years.

    Spoonfeed over....
    You are talking some rubbish there. The WT directives were clearcut and marked a protection of the labour force from coercion by employers exploiting them.

    The UK accepted them and they remain in force.

    There is nothing preventing staff working double shift patterns but there must be a minimum period between them in a work cycle as indeed there must be a minimum time between ending one shift and the beginning of the next. If someone wishes to work 15 hour days then they can, provided it is within the WT regime.

    If it transpires that the UK wishes to access unfettered EU trade markets but insists on using peasant labour working like coolies to make up for piss poor wages then clearly the EU working to a civilised code of conduct must protect itself from the depredations of sweated labour lest their club is undermined. Why would they weaken the competitive strength of their own people by handing an advantage to a bunch of ersatz american carpetbaggers that quit the club because they couldn't pay the piddling membership fee and hated paying their own people a decent living wage?

    That is the level playing field dear boy. Now, as Barnier et al have already said, if the UK were, say, 3,000 - 6,000 miles distant from the EU then their negotiating stance would be much more relaxed given that any competitive edge gained by less rigorous labour laws would be blunted by extra logistic costs etc. But, it is a mere 22 miles distant hence the concern. Trouble is, both Frost and BoJo's rabble are too stupid to understand the issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    That is the level playing field dear boy. Now, as Barnier et al have already said, if the UK were, say, 3,000 - 6,000 miles distant from the EU then their negotiating stance would be much more relaxed given that any competitive edge gained by less rigorous labour laws would be blunted by extra logistic costs etc.
    That could be solved by creating a virtual distance, letting the lorries queue up in Kent for 48hours..

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    I rather think that will be the case in any event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    If someone wishes to work 15 hour days then they can,
    Clearly you don't know the rules SA. Ten hour limit, to be monitored with a clock system, now applies across the EU. Not all countries are fully compliant at the moment. Yes there are exceptions, but they are few and far between.

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    The directives have been subjected to relatively recent judicial clarification i.e 2017 but the issues are not that difficult to comprehend: a worker should have 13 hours of continuous rest within a 24 hour period and enjoy a minimum weekly break of 35 continuous hours of rest and that a worker should not have to work for more than 48 hours in a week. However, the limitations can be averaged over a minimum period of 17 weeks, so whacking up some overtime can be completed provided compensatory rest can be built in further down the line. Individual opt out can be observed within the regime subject to guidelines as indeed are there derogations according to category of workers and its nature.

    But this is all academic with the increased use of automation and AI, and the trend now seems to be towards a shorter working week of four days.

    Productivity is a function of efficiency that is measured by whatever output can by achieved in x man hours. Irrespective of EU WT directives, the UK is pretty much at the bottom of EU productivity charts - probably because a significant proportion of English blue collar oiks are fat, slow bastards.
    Last edited by Seekingasylum; 13-10-2020 at 10:53 AM.

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    I see Bo-Jo has decided to back down on 15 October being the deadline for a trade deal with the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I see Bo-Jo has decided to back down on 15 October being the deadline for a trade deal with the EU.
    His backpedaling has not reached full speed yet.. More to come.

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    From his pov it doesn't matter what he does, he'll be gone soon and knows it.

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    Trade talks with the EU are 'over', says No 10

    Talks between the UK and EU over a post-Brexit trade agreement are "over", Downing Street has said.

    No 10 said there was "no point" in discussions continuing next week unless the EU was prepared to discuss the detailed legal text of a partnership.

    "There is only any point in Michel Barnier coming to London next week if he's prepared to address all the issues on the basis of a legal text in an accelerated way, without the UK required to make all the moves or to discuss the practicalities of travel and haulage," the prime minister's official spokesman said.

    "If not there is no point in coming."

    He added: "Trade talks are over. The EU have effectively ended them by saying they do not want to change their negotiating position."


    Full article here: Brexit: Trade talks with the EU are '''over''', says No 10 - BBC News

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