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    Which is your other candidate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The worst British government in living memory is simply hoping the EU will concede ground at the last moment but if this is not likely then The Clown will sign up to what's on offer and then renege on a later date citing some technicality permitting "re-interpretation" of the terms. He is taking a leaf out of the Trumpian playbook and simply breaking agreements whenever it suits calculating that any ensuing legal challenges will always be behind the curve of Cummings cynical machinations.

    This perfidy is typical English hypocrisy but BoJo has taken it down a peg or two in the sophistication stakes and is little more than the lying sack of shit he has always been.
    WMD Tony is light years ahead. Then again with your Alzheimers, living memory for you does only encompass the last 10 to 15 seconds.
    I'm amazed you still remember your way to the keyboard, or is there a GPS on your wheel chair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Which is your other candidate?
    Gordon Brown or Jim Callaghan. Hard to separate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    WMD Tony
    You've got to be kidding?

    Not even a rabid old right wing soak like you can really believe that.

    If you do then it really does show that being on the other side of the planet is every bit as isolating as it was when you first got there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Gordon Brown or Jim Callaghan.
    Well, putting aside allegiance, at least the nomination of Callaghan makes some sense.

    Brown just inherited the US credit crunch shit storm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    WMD Tony is light years ahead. Then again with your Alzheimers, living memory for you does only encompass the last 10 to 15 seconds.
    I'm amazed you still remember your way to the keyboard, or is there a GPS on your wheel chair?
    So, you reckon a leader who won three successive general elections and was respected internationally and domestically who generated an economy that boomed for nigh on eight years and made hundreds of thousands of ordinary folk considerably richer over that period is a contender for worst PM in living memory and inferior to BoJo the Clown, a man so incontinent in manner that he has no discernible ethic other that satisfying his lust for sex and aggrandisement, a serial philanderer who has fathered several bastards, a man who has demonstrably lied to everyone in his life including his employers, his family, his friends and the public, a man who is now broke, friendless and about to quit government after scarcely one term because he lacks the ability, the stamina and the talent to last the course???

    Truly, you really are quite thick. No, sorry, not thick, simply retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    So, you reckon a leader who won three successive general elections and was respected internationally and domestically who generated an economy that boomed for nigh on eight years and made hundreds of thousands of ordinary folk considerably richer over that period is a contender for worst PM in living memory and inferior to BoJo the Clown, a man so incontinent in manner that he has no discernible ethic other that satisfying his lust for sex and aggrandisement, a serial philanderer who has fathered several bastards, a man who has demonstrably lied to everyone in his life including his employers, his family, his friends and the public, a man who is now broke, friendless and about to quit government after scarcely one term because he lacks the ability, the stamina and the talent to last the course???

    Truly, you really are quite thick. No, sorry, not thick, simply retarded.
    As usual your treatise is embellished with personal supposition based on flawed socialist doctrine.Every socialist prime minister has always left the country buried under piles of debt.

    Do try to stay on topic. Your personal hatred of Johnson tends to lead you astray from the subject.

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    Poor Chas, the geriatric's geriatric, the intellectual equivalent of a set of toothless gums reduced to a level of debate more suited to a care home for patients in the final throes of their dementia.

    At th conclusion of the last Labour government in 2010 government debt in relation to GDP was 76%, in 2019 after nine years of Tory inspired government and three Tory prime ministers government debt to GDP was a whopping 85%.

    Blair's last government prior to the 2008 bankster crash saw the debt to GDP rate at .....wait for it........49.4%

    You really are a pitiful oaf, aren't you Chas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Poor Chas, the geriatric's geriatric, the intellectual equivalent of a set of toothless gums reduced to a level of debate more suited to a care home for patients in the final throes of their dementia.

    At th conclusion of the last Labour government in 2010 government debt in relation to GDP was 76%, in 2019 after nine years of Tory inspired government and three Tory prime ministers government debt to GDP was a whopping 85%.

    Blair's last government prior to the 2008 bankster crash saw the debt to GDP rate at .....wait for it........49.4%

    You really are a pitiful oaf, aren't you Chas?
    Not at all old chap. I prefer the big picture rather than cherry picking statistics that fit a pre-defined narrative. In short, you choose to ignore events that don’t fit your Jackanory socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    You've got to be kidding?

    Not even a rabid old right wing soak like you can really believe that.

    If you do then it really does show that being on the other side of the planet is every bit as isolating as it was when you first got there.



    Well, putting aside allegiance, at least the nomination of Callaghan makes some sense.

    Brown just inherited the US credit crunch shit storm.
    Just knowing that the most hated poster on TD, who makes a living off of one of the worst regimes in the world with an appalling level of human rights and female opression disagrees with me, only convinces me I must be right. Thank you for the confirmation.

    If you do then it really does show that being on the other side of the planet is every bit as isolating as it was when you first got there.

    Living in one of the most liberal democracies in the world where access to uncensored news is a given, as opposed to that government censored shithole you are ensconced in makes me far more aware of what is actually going on in the world rather than a washed up third world tefler.
    Run along now, there's a good boy. I so dislike arguing the point with someone who has the intellectual capacity of my toe jam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Not at all old chap. I prefer the big picture rather than cherry picking statistics that fit a pre-defined narrative. In short, you choose to ignore events that don’t fit your Jackanory socialism.
    Err, I don't quite think you can get a bigger picture than the ratio of government debt to GDP, particularly when you are referencing public finances in relation to particular political administrations, you gormless fucking idiot.

    In truth, what you prefer is to debate from the perspective of a hidebound bigot peering through the distorting prism of his own prejudices heavily influenced by ignorance and near imbecility.

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    Switch , is an idiot.

    Anyway do you support the monarchy ?

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    Not a topic for debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Err, I don't quite think you can get a bigger picture than the ratio of government debt to GDP, particularly when you are referencing public finances in relation to particular political administrations, you gormless fucking idiot.

    In truth, what you prefer is to debate from the perspective of a hidebound bigot peering through the distorting prism of his own prejudices heavily influenced by ignorance and near imbecility.
    Your case is based on your personal derision of what you think my belirfs are. As you have never met me and rely on what you think you see on here, your debating conclusions lack both facts, and perspective. Neither of us lives or works in UK or Europe, so our views are media driven to a point.

    Such distance in perspective means that your views and mine are largely irrelevant. At least I’m not a hateful bigot, so there is that.

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    Brexit: EU launches legal action against UK for breaching withdrawal agreement

    UK put on formal notice over internal market bill, which ministers admit breaks international law

    The EU has launched legal action against the UK after Boris Johnson failed to respond to Brussels’ demand that he drop legislation that would overwrite the withdrawal agreement and break international law.


    Ursula von der Leyen, the European commission president, announced that the UK had been put on formal notice over the internal market bill tabled by the prime minister last month.


    Brussels had given the prime minister until the end of September to ditch the contentious clauses in the draft legislation but Von der Leyen said “the deadline had lapsed”.


    By seeking to unilaterally change the terms of the agreement signed last year with Brussels, Von der Leyen said the UK had already failed to live up to its obligations to act in “good faith”.


    The former German defence minister said the UK now had a month to respond to the commission’s formal letter of notice, which marks the beginning of a formal infringement process.


    “We had invited our British friends to remove the problematic parts of their draft internal market bill, by the end of September,” she said. “This draft bill is, by its very nature, a breach of the obligation of good faith, laid down in the withdrawal agreement. Moreover, if adopted as is it will be in full contradiction to the protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland.”


    She added: ”The problematic provisions have not been removed. Therefore this morning, the commission has decided to send a letter of formal notice to the UK government. This is the first step in an infringement procedure.”


    The internal market bill would give ministers legal powers to override two elements of the Northern Ireland protocol, which Johnson agreed last October in order to avoid a return to a hard border in Ireland.


    Ministers would decide whether to notify the commission of any government subsidy decisions that could impact goods trade in Northern Ireland and whether to waive the need for export summary declarations when sending goods from Northern Ireland to the rest of the UK.


    The two sides are examining these issues in a joint committee but the UK government has said it needs the legislation as a “safety net” should the EU act unreasonably.


    The commission’s letter is the start of a lengthy process that could ultimately end in the European court of justice. The EU court in Luxembourg could impose huge daily fines for continued breaches.


    The UK agreed to be bound by decisions of the court on cases begun before the end of the transition period on 31 December and for four years after that point.


    A government spokesperson said: “We will respond to the letter in due course. We have clearly set out our reasons for introducing the measures related to the Northern Ireland protocol.”


    “We need to create a legal safety net to protect the integrity of the UK’s internal market, ensure ministers can always deliver on their obligations to Northern Ireland and protect the gains from the peace process.”


    The infringement procedure is a common tool used by the commission against member states. Last year alone there were 800 open cases. Germany had 47 pending cases, and France 34. Each procedure takes on average 35 months to complete.


    The EU has initially suggested the internal market bill was an impediment to the ongoing trade and security negotiations but has in recent weeks decoupled the issues.


    Earlier this week, Ireland’s foreign minister, Simon Coveney, admitted that many of the EU’s concerns would “fade away” if the joint committee was able to do its work and a wider trade deal was secured.


    Von der Leyen said that work with the UK would continue to ensure the withdrawal agreement was fully implemented by the 1 January deadline. “We stand by our commitments,” she said.


    Von der Leyen later met Micheál Martin, the Irish prime minister, for talks ahead of a summit of the 27 heads of state and government being held in Brussels to discuss foreign affairs.


    The commission has also said it might bring a separate action against the UK through enforcement mechanisms in the withdrawal agreement, resulting in fines or suspension of parts of a future trade deal.


    Negotiations between the UK’s chief negotiator, David Frost, and his EU counterpart continue over trade and security. The most likely outcome of the row over the internal market bill is that, in the event of a successful negotiation, the EU will give the government the option of leaving without a deal or dropping the legislation.


    Brexit: EU launches legal action against UK for breaching withdrawal agreement | Politics | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    The EU has launched legal action against the UK after Boris Johnson failed to respond to Brussels’ demand that he drop legislation that would overwrite the withdrawal agreement and break international law.
    Way to go Boris. Fcuk the EU.

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    Yes way to go Boris, show the world that your signature is worth nil.

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    These people who act like they are patriots but support a pm who is an embarrassment to the country.

    What a sick joke.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    So, you reckon a leader who won three successive general elections and was respected internationally and domestically who generated an economy that boomed for nigh on eight years and made hundreds of thousands of ordinary folk considerably richer over that period is a contender for worst PM in living memory and inferior to BoJo the Clown, a man so incontinent in manner that he has no discernible ethic other that satisfying his lust for sex and aggrandisement, a serial philanderer who has fathered several bastards, a man who has demonstrably lied to everyone in his life including his employers, his family, his friends and the public, a man who is now broke, friendless and about to quit government after scarcely one term because he lacks the ability, the stamina and the talent to last the course???

    Truly, you really are quite thick. No, sorry, not thick, simply retarded.
    You did fail to mention an endless middle eastern war with no plan after the wars supposed end. The non existent WMDs and the fact this idiot still maintains it was the right decision. He is partly responsible for the rise of Isis and the deaths of countless thosands of innocent people along with Bush and that is success to you is it? You absolute tool.
    If you knew anything about economics you would understand lead and lag or how international markets effect the worlds integrated economy. To extol the virtues of Blair as the reason for economic success proves you have managed to scale the heights of idiocy that surpasses every poster on TD other than Cyrille. Unfortunately I do not have the time or inclination to teach an intellectually disabled person such as yourself. You really do prove those Irish jokes werent misplaced and that the public service is the natural habitat of the dull the indolent and the feckless. Three things that you excel in.

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    So that’s two people you’ve proven right now.

    Go to bed, you clueless, pickled old fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    So that’s two people you’ve proven right now.

    Go to bed, you clueless, pickled old fool.
    Yes, he is 100% correct where you and seeking ass are concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    You did fail to mention an endless middle eastern war with no plan after the wars supposed end. The non existent WMDs and the fact this idiot still maintains it was the right decision. He is partly responsible for the rise of Isis and the deaths of countless thosands of innocent people along with Bush and that is success to you is it? You absolute tool.
    If you knew anything about economics you would understand lead and lag or how international markets effect the worlds integrated economy. To extol the virtues of Blair as the reason for economic success proves you have managed to scale the heights of idiocy that surpasses every poster on TD other than Cyrille. Unfortunately I do not have the time or inclination to teach an intellectually disabled person such as yourself. You really do prove those Irish jokes werent misplaced and that the public service is the natural habitat of the dull the indolent and the feckless. Three things that you excel in.
    The Iraqi war was worth it simply as a means of showing the world they shouldn't fuck with the US. That the Americans botched the aftermath with its inept occupation has no bearing on Blair's management of the government in domestic matters and of course Blair had no influence or role in the actual occupation which was primarily an American action. WMD was simply a ruse and in the scheme of things quite reasonable to sway the UN.

    The point remains, you clodhopper, is that Blair's success in leading three successive governments manifestly illustrates his talent and abilities as a leader, a role the BoJo the Clown has singularly failed to emulate to date as the country faces international opprobrium because it has broken an agreement not even a year old.

    The US Congress has already said it will block any trade agreement with Shitkickersville Engerlandia if the jackass Clown tenges on the WA/GFA.

    You dribbling idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Way to go Boris. Fcuk the EU.
    I rather think he has in fact fucked the UK, by the looks of things.

    The SMMT are currently on tenterhooks given the intransigence of the Clown in declining to negotiate meaningfully with the EU and as a consequence it seems that parts etc will be dutiable every time they cross the Engerlandia border hastening a likely evacuation by Nissan etc. Food prices will rise of course and because of the new tariffs etc the food processing industry in the UK, worth over £40 billions a year, is also under threat as indeed is the fishing industry which will be sanctioned by the French resulting in a blockade and boycott.
    As I said before the US congress has already stated several times that if the Clown reneges on the WA and threatens the GFA then any trade deal with the UK will be blocked.

    Poor Prag, you really haven't a clue, have you.

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    The EU should just grow the fuck up and get a deal done. The UK is a retired empire. It's not the same as any of the other members. It never adopted the Euro currency. The Brittle limey chavs were always half in. Now they are half out.

    Despite the propaganda coming from the US , the EU isn't as unpopular in the rest of the union as ppl think. All of my Dutch relatives are pro EU and laugh at the thought of "leaving". There is no leaving Europe. Their only concern is keeping the Ukraine and Turkey out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The EU should just grow the fuck up and get a deal done. The UK is a retired empire. It's not the same as any of the other members. It never adopted the Euro currency. The Brittle limey chavs were always half in. Now they are half out.

    Despite the propaganda coming from the US , the EU isn't as unpopular in the rest of the union as ppl think. All of my Dutch relatives are pro EU and laugh at the thought of "leaving". There is no leaving Europe. Their only concern is keeping the Ukraine and Turkey out.
    the EU needs to tell the UK to fuck off and die,

    I can't wait to see those fookers to lose it and cry in their beers

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    SeekingAss must be salivating over the whole thing when he is going to be proved right

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