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    Blue passports will be issued for the first time in almost three decades from next month to mark Britain’s departure from the EU, the government has announced.
    They will replace the standard-issue burgundy passports that were rolled out across EU countries from 1988.

    Blue Brexit passports to be issued from next month | Politics | The Guardian
    Of course all the remoaners are bleating about how it will make things slower going through airports.

    It sounds like they think we aren't actually leaving the EU and they will be able to continue to go through the "EU citizens" queue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I really think the challenges facing the EU are more serious than those facing the UK. Perhaps a good rethink is in order, starting with "What really is the EU?"
    disagree, I think it will be more brutal and immediate than the EU

    that said, the EU problems started 15 years ago, and are still there.

    You are correct in the sense that there is a central question that needs to be asked : "What does the EU want to be" and can it achieve it?

    they want to be a superpower bloc, in a sense they are, but the coordination is hard and full of roadblocks, mostly from the Brits

    now they are gone, let's see if progress can happen and we can fix the problems that lasted for the last 15 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Of course all the remoaners...
    Ah yes, of course...


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    EU budget: Talks end amid stand-off between 'frugal' and other nations - BBC News

    An EU budget summit ended without agreement on Friday following a stand-off between wealthy "frugal" member states and other countries.

    The so-called "frugal four" of Denmark, Austria, Sweden and the Netherlands said they would not accept a budget of more than 1% of the bloc's GDP.

    France's Emmanuel Macron said it showed "we don't need Britain to show disunity".

    Brexit has left a €75bn ($81bn; £63bn) gap in the seven-year budget.

    The UK was a net contributor to the EU.

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    The so-called "frugal four" of Denmark, Austria, Sweden and the Netherlands said they would not accept a budget of more than 1% of the bloc's GDP.
    fuck them, they are not producing anything, they are deadweight, just pay or go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Brexit has left a €75bn ($81bn; £63bn) gap in the seven-year budget.

    The UK was a net contributor to the EU.
    Britain's net contribution was £9bn (€10.7bn) , France net contribution is € 2.73bn and Germany's is ~ €12bn.
    It's quite clear to me which country should open the wallet instead of imposing new expenses to the members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    France is a net contributor to the EU budget
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    fuck off, we are keeping our budget
    You're Belgian, a Wallon-wannabe-French

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    He’s weird with that ‘we’ and ‘us’ stuff.

    A giveaway of a lifelong outsider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    He’s weird with that ‘we’ and ‘us’ stuff.

    A giveaway of a lifelong outsider.
    you and Funny Hat man are quite the pair of old ladies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    they want to be a superpower bloc, in a sense they are, but the coordination is hard and full of roadblocks, mostly from the Brits now they are gone, let's see if progress can happen and we can fix the problems that lasted for the last 15 years
    yar now remind us exactly how outside of farm subsidies and a non-existent defence farce, does the club wield its super power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Of course all the remoaners are bleating about how it will make things slower going through airports.

    It sounds like they think we aren't actually leaving the EU and they will be able to continue to go through the "EU citizens" queue.

    I thought it was a brexiteer that was moaning.

    Presumably the UK will negotiate to be a preferential country and go through the automatic lanes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I thought it was a brexiteer that was moaning.
    Try clicking the link and reading it.

    One old buffer thinks Britons will be treated differently because of the colour of their passport.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Quite bizarre how Brexit loons witter on about the EU's wealth in neurotic, febrile terms and yet are quite sanguine about the UK's parlous finances viz worst productivity rate in EU, the fifth worst debt to GDP ratio out of all 28 EU countries, a widening current account deficit, a diminishing manufacturing sector languishing at 9-10% of GDP, a huge personai unsecured indebtedness which features one of the highest rates in the West, around an average of 32% of household income, a currency that has devalued by 20% since Brexit and a forecasted reduction in annual GDP of around £60 billions over the next decade.

    And it rains a lot, public transport costs are among the highest in the world and the NHS teeters on collapse for want of funding amid a crime rate that has accelerated after the draconian cuts to policing involving the loss of 20,000 police posts imposed by May.

    Real wages are still at the same values prevalent in 2010 and taxes are due to be increased across the board in order to stem the deterioration in the country's infrastructure of education, transport and security ( council taxes rising over the rate of inflation are the first salvo ).

    Simply to return to the standards that prevailed in 2010 would involve an immediate investment of over £160 billions.

    And how is the UK to prepare itself for this mammoth task of regeneration? Yep, it's going to pay for a new railway set costing £120 billions and will withdraw from an economic association that generated over £260 billions worth of annual trade.

    And the Brexit numpties here are preaching EU armageddon because of a gap in funding of £10 billion in an annual budget of £150 billions???

    No wonder they prefer their daft propaganda.
    Interested to know where your 60bn forecast comes from?

    Since you haven’t lived there for some time, you are obviously surprised to learn that council tax goes up every year.

    Your verbosity might fool some, but in reality, you just make shit up to fit your vile narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Your verbosity might fool some, but in reality, you just make shit up to fit your vile narrative.
    and it is a vile narrative. Its remarkable how he and his remainer chums constantly complain about racist ideology driving the leave agenda yet all i seem to have heard for over 3 years is remainers using the term themselves... i think that tells readers all they need to know about Sausages, Syb and Lom. I will leave PH and Troy our of this as they are plainly not of that ilk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    the UK budget fallout is going to be a shock for the EU27, and you know what, this is good.

    The UK leaving sent a strong signal to the EU commission not to take EU members for granted, no matter how ridiculous they are in their demands (ie. UK)

    now time for the UK to get fucked in the negotiation with Barnier, and that should complete things nicely

    I can't wait for SA input on this matter
    It’s worth remembering that Barnier is a servant, not a decision maker. He forgets himself sometimes, so this reminder is worthwhile, especially for arrogant Europhiles like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Try clicking the link and reading it.

    One old buffer thinks Britons will be treated differently because of the colour of their passport.

    So one old duffer equals all remoaners...

    Jolly-ho!

    Destination Brexit by Jove and never mind the landmines...

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    You choose your path carefully,

    Fuck off remoaners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    the UK budget fallout is going to be a shock for the EU27, and you know what, this is good.

    The UK leaving sent a strong signal to the EU commission not to take EU members for granted, no matter how ridiculous they are in their demands (ie. UK)

    now time for the UK to get fucked in the negotiation with Barnier, and that should complete things nicely

    I can't wait for SA input on this matter
    I am curious why an African immigrant who is under some delusion that he could possibly understand what it is to be a real european, continually gets his tongue stuck down the pants of an anglophobic bog irish oik in Pattaya whom is equally deluded in thinking he has a grasp of economics and an insight into the E.U. from a flat in a third world oversized sewarage farm.

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    ^And the deseret oiks who abandoned their roots and votes for the golden gutters of the sandpits.
    You lost your little bit of hope when you sold your soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    whom
    You can’t do this seeking asylum channelling, hugh.

    You’d be better off with Terry as your model.

    I see Jerk Off is wasted again.

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    The Frost, Goebbels Cummings /BoJo the Clown team are now working on the EU negotiating strategy that any terms agreed in the past are not actually agreements and can be ignored. In order to give this sly, devious and dishonourable behaviour a sheen of respectability they have instructed the new " Attorney General " Suella Braverman to draft legal advice to the effect the UK is not required to enforce a border in the Irish Sea between it and NI controlling the passage of goods despite an agreement last year that it would. An insider has revealed that Cox the former legal officer was booted out because he said it would be a breach of the agreement and illegal which is why Braverman was wheeled into cabinet. Braverman has no experience, no knowledge, no legal expertise and has only practised law for around eight years, tops, in Treasury Solicitors piddling about on Home Office immigration cases and defending it at tribunals and on judicial reviews - she is to legal expertise what a minicab driver is to Formula 1.

    The reality of course is that she is a gopher for Goebbels Cummings in generating smoke concealing the loathsome antics of a disreputable government as it implements its plans of creating an ersatz America and tax haven for money grubbing hedge funders.

    Moving the Treasury to the wilds of a northern dystopia is quite literally removing opposition to this Goebbels coup as he seizes total control of government.

    If Labour had pulled these strokes the press would call for army intervention.

    The awful but drearily depressing feature of this is that the Tory party is as powerless as it is disinterested in the dismantling of the British constitution. The next thing they'll be moving will be the Cabinet Office to Preston.

    I sincerely hope the EU abandon this farce of a negotiation process and tell the Tory Orcs to go do one now.

    The border will have to be re-erected between NI and Ireland, the GFA has been abandoned by BoJo so it's back to civil insurrection against the Brits, and the EU manufacturers in the UK should evacuate their plant now.

    The EU have no idea of what Cummings strategy is but then, nor have most Brits.

    Cummings wants to remake Britain into a society which is run by juvenile pretentious idiots enslaved by a dogma of impenetrable wankspeak concealing a fascist coup protecting vested interests evading social responsibility and taxes.

    And he's conned the British through the trojan horse of Brexit which in truth will rip up the laws protecting the working man and provide the pathway to the new nationalist socialist state complete with eugenics and a higher class of "super forecasters" enjoying unfettered privilege without any accountability.

    And the Brits cannot even see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Interested to know where your 60bn forecast comes from?

    Since you haven’t lived there for some time, you are obviously surprised to learn that council tax goes up every year.

    Your verbosity might fool some, but in reality, you just make shit up to fit your vile narrative.
    Google is your friend, Chas, but in your blinkered Brexitmania I doubt you have the ability to learn from any research you might conduct.

    The £60 billions represents the percentage decrease in trade and revenue arising from the loss of unfettered trade with the EU calculated by most responsible and authoritative economic institutions but if Brxit is on WTO terms then we are looking at £100 billions.

    CT increases were previously capped at below inflation rates for a significant proportion of the past decade with the first large increase being imposed in 2018/19 to counteract the continuing shortfall in funding arising from austerity measures and increased social care costs. This latest rise of near triple the CPI rate in addition to the 5% of 2018/19 is simply another nail in the coffin of the 20 million Brits who have no significant savings and are indebted through unsecured leveraging to a level never before experienced in Britain.

    Chas, all we ever get from you is querulous and vague witterings, do you not have anything more in what may pass for your intellectual locker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    disagree, I think it will be more brutal and immediate than the EU

    that said, the EU problems started 15 years ago, and are still there.

    You are correct in the sense that there is a central question that needs to be asked : "What does the EU want to be" and can it achieve it?

    they want to be a superpower bloc, in a sense they are, but the coordination is hard and full of roadblocks, mostly from the Brits

    now they are gone, let's see if progress can happen and we can fix the problems that lasted for the last 15 years
    Ever wondered why the frogs want us out, and never in to start with?

    It's not just the deluded fool that's ruining your country, but the French establishment in general. Without the UK, France has the largest, most powerful, well organised and efficient military, with nukes thrown in for good measure. These assets and the logistics behind them, would be the basis for any EU vanity project with an -army suffix.

    Now that we've left, under peacetime conditions not what Macron has turned it into, France would be the natural protector of Europe. Question is, which Macron clearly hasn't considered, against whom? Not Russia, which could spit it out for lunch, and certainly not China, so who will the glorious Euro-warriors be defending the continent from? Once you answer that, nobody, and agree it's pointless having a fully fledged military apparatus costing hundreds of billions stuck in barracks scratching their butts, the next question becomes easier: in any order, which weak and vulnerable 3W states are they going to bully?

    And with its current unmanageable deficit which will be larger next year and larger the next, who is going to pay for the EU army? I suggest Greece, they already owe you enough for a starter pack.

    Maybe NATO isn't such a bad idea after all; strong enough to defend against both Russia and China, and for you idiots in the EU, also the US.

    The funny bit is not that your gods bounce their way from one blunder to the next, but having been all powerful and unchallenged for so long they actually believe their own bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    the UK budget fallout is going to be a shock for the EU27, and you know what, this is good.

    The UK leaving sent a strong signal to the EU commission not to take EU members for granted, no matter how ridiculous they are in their demands (ie. UK)

    now time for the UK to get fucked in the negotiation with Barnier, and that should complete things nicely

    I can't wait for SA input on this matter
    The sturm und drang over the EU budgeting is really quite overblown and scarcely significant in the scheme of things. As I said, the Brit contribution was always discounted and represents a net payment of £9-10 billions. The EU annual budget is around £150 billions but that budget represents a mere 1% of it joint wealth. There are always stresses and strains in any marriage but most of the flak is gamesmanship of little real consequence. Remember, the EU is preparing a budget that encompasses a bidding round encompassing the next seven years, the last round was in 2013. Given the arc of commitment has such a distant horizon it's scarcely surprising everyone is squabbling, they are each simply shouting the loudest now because it is the only chance they have to sort new principles as they jockey for position.

    France contributes over 20% of the total agricultural output of the EU, it is scarcely surprising that its EUR16 billions annual contribution is reduced by CAP subsidies. France's farmers are huge players and there it is.

    Brexiteers are giving it the needle of course because in the propaganda stakes the only way thy can defend such a stupid exit is by inventing EU frailties etc.

    It's a bore of course, but when Britain slides away into insignificance next year, we shall see things settling down and we Europeans can return to the even tenor of our superior lives while the English realise their folly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Google is your friend, Chas, but in your blinkered Brexitmania I doubt you have the ability to learn from any research you might conduct.

    The £60 billions represents the percentage decrease in trade and revenue arising from the loss of unfettered trade with the EU calculated by most responsible and authoritative economic institutions but if Brxit is on WTO terms then we are looking at £100 billions.

    CT increases were previously capped at below inflation rates for a significant proportion of the past decade with the first large increase being imposed in 2018/19 to counteract the continuing shortfall in funding arising from austerity measures and increased social care costs. This latest rise of near triple the CPI rate in addition to the 5% of 2018/19 is simply another nail in the coffin of the 20 million Brits who have no significant savings and are indebted through unsecured leveraging to a level never before experienced in Britain.

    Chas, all we ever get from you is querulous and vague witterings, do you not have anything more in what may pass for your intellectual locker?
    I would prefer actual links rather than your biased reference to anonymous, “responsible and authoritative economic institutions”. Otherwise your obvious political bias might be viewed with some scepticism. In other words, I have to assume as usual, that you are making shit up, to fit your vile narrative.

    Council tax capping was a defence mechanism to protect the citizenry following recession. Real world costs are the same for spendthrift local government finances, who must learn to budget more realistically. Local and national governments bend to the tune of senile politics in the same way that you do.

    You can view my posts as vague wittering if you like, but my opinions are just as valid as yours. Mine based on reality, and yours based on future fantasy, as a seriously deranged conspiracy theorist.

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