Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by jabir

Labour didn't get the message, they seldom do: we're giving the worst Tory PM in living memory a landslide; that's how bad you are!

& they are still blaming everyone but themselves, and the remoaner brigade are the ones who lost the most Labour votes, but are standing for leadership...

Originally Posted by jabir

Labour didn't get the message, they seldom do: we're giving the worst Tory PM in living memory a landslide; that's how bad you are!

good news for labour actually, tories will be in no 10 when England collapses, it will be like the 70s again for Labour and back in power in no time

Buttfly, are you looking forward to the EU budget round over the next 6 months..i am seriously looking forward to it.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

good news for labour actually, tories will be in no 10 when England collapses, it will be like the 70s again for Labour and back in power in no time

Brilliant strategy, deliberately knobble your own party and make it unelectable in the hope that the gov are so bad that they destroy the country, and then the people might elect your unelectable party to put it back together again.

foxtrotfoxtrotsierra!

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

it will be like the 70s again for Labour and back in power in no time

Hard Brexit, part XXX

Brexit: Full UK-EU trade deal 'impossible' by deadline - von der Leyen
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51028614

The UK and the EU will remain the "best of friends" but they will "not be as close as before" after Brexit, the new European Commission president says.

Speaking ahead of talks with the PM, Ursula von der Leyen warned it would be "impossible" to reach a comprehensive trade deal by the end of 2020.

She said if the deadline was not extended it was not a case of "all or nothing", but of priorities.

But Boris Johnson has insisted a deal is possible by December 2020.

The prime minister has also said that the process will not be extended.

After its 31 January exit, the UK will enter into an 11-month transition period in which it will largely follow EU rules but will not have any representation in the bloc's institutions. This period will come to an end on 31 December 2020.

Once the UK leaves the EU on 31 January, the two sides will begin talks on their future economic relationship.

^ Posturing

What is the reason for setting a deadline? May did it by invoking A50 before being ready and now Bo-Jo has done it. All it does is add false pressure when none is required.

Free trade agreements will be the upshot of all this. And Brit's will not need a visa to travel to France, or vice versa. Immigrants will not be expelled, and frankly it will be pretty much business as usual. How do I know this? Well, even apart from common sense, the financials tell you that the EU has a lot more to lose from taking a punitive stance than the UK.

Originally Posted by Troy

All it does is add false pressure when none is required.

Of course a deadline is required. Without one the EU/Remoaners would drag out the negotiations indefinitely as we are well aware of.

Originally Posted by Troy

What is the reason for setting a deadline? May did it by invoking A50 before being ready and now Bo-Jo has done it. All it does is add false pressure when none is required.

Tut tut, not paying attention now you’ve lost. The deadline is part of the agreement. Goverment has it in law now, so th Eu have no one to blame when it all goes tits up.
When they say prioritize, it means the most valuable commodities to them will be agreed immediately, and they will sit on their hands once they’ve got what they want.

You mean they will be..(gasp!)..negotiators?

There are no winners and losers with Brexit, Switch, just a change in direction.

Yes, a deadline to ensure that Brexit is finally closed, but the less time there is available the less advantageous it is for the UK. Goods will take priority to services, which favours the EU.

So what has Boris got up his sleeve?

Originally Posted by Troy

What is the reason for setting a deadline? May did it by invoking A50 before being ready and now Bo-Jo has done it. All it does is add false pressure when none is required.

because we all know that the EU is so scared of the UK, that adding a little time pressure will mean a complete surrender of the EU to UK unreasonable demands

The ERG nazis actually believe in their own weird bunker mentality that the EU are on the point of surrender and will wave the white flag to their demands for unlimited unicorn horns and pixie dusted gifts of unbounded sunshine for the Albion uplands resounding to the strains of Elgar's Land of Hope and Glory when Raab C Brexit tells them there'll be no more negotiation after September.

All part of the delusion Brexit is a doctrine for new found wealth for all.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Of course a deadline is required. Without one the EU/Remoaners would drag out the negotiations indefinitely as we are well aware of.

Jesus Christ, Prag you are the ones who are leaving but you still want some goodies from the club you have quit. You will do what you are told as long as you want the cherries but if you think the process is dragging then fuck off.

The EU want you lot gone, believe me.

Originally Posted by sabang

Free trade agreements will be the upshot of all this. And Brit's will not need a visa to travel to France, or vice versa. Immigrants will not be expelled, and frankly it will be pretty much business as usual. How do I know this? Well, even apart from common sense, the financials tell you that the EU has a lot more to lose from taking a punitive stance than the UK.

The free movement pillar has been removed already which means after the transition period expires on 31.12.20 no Brit will be permitted to visit any EU member state for more than 3 months in any 6 month period and if any Brit wishes to settle, work or study in the EU they will require a visa for the purpose stated. This is in reciprocity to the post Brexit vote declaration made by successive Tory governments that whatever transpires no EU citizen will be permitted free movement into the UK after 31.12.20, a sentiment reinforced by BoJo the Clown a week before the last election when he boasted that no more will an EU citizen consider the UK to be their home. A Home Office minister also declared recently that any EU citizen living in the UK failing to apply for 'settled status' before the 30.06. 21 cut-off date will be deported.

The UK derives around 13% of its GDP from EU unfettered trade, vice versa, it's 3%.

Your inability to comprehend data is only exceeded it seems by your presumptuousness in expressing your conceit.

The UK derives around 13% of its GDP from EU unfettered trade, vice versa, it's 3%.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing as amply shown by seeking Ass. The 3% is not spread evenly across the 27 remainers. 24 countries have a favourable balance of trade with the UK. Germany Netherlands Spain Belgium are the top 4 with the most to lose in a tariff war. The floating pound will self correct for the UK to some degree whereas the Euro is unlikely to be flexible enough to do so for the Euro zone causing inflation in an already fairly stagnant euro economy with low wage growth putting the Euro zone closer to recession, if its not already there by then.
One only has to look at the staggering debt in many of those countries with France Spain and Italy 3 of the 4 biggest net contributors (excluding UK) to the EU having debt to GDP ratios of 100% plus Then there is Greece which is bankrupt at over 180%. Any big hit to Germany's hugely favourable balance of trade with the UK will put even more pressure on Europe as the EU's main contributor.
Any risk of a downturn in company profits can be mitigated by lowering corporate tax in the U.K. not so the EU that has already criticised Ireland for its corporate taxes. Getting anything done in the E.U. Is like trying to make a quick U turn on the USS Enterprise. The UK freed of the EU will be much more nimble and leave the EU in its wake.
Of course Brexit being only the domain of a minority of lower end Oiks according SA has been proven totally wrong and shows he has no understanding of anything related to the reason or politics of Brexit let alone economics.
That's what happens when you rely on your information from your fellow (learned) bar flies at the hairy twat bj bar in Pattaya.

The problem with you Brexit loons is that you are incapable of digesting facts that conflict with your doctrinal rhetoric based in delusion, xenophobia and not a little stupidity.

The annual EU budget is currently around 160 billions Euro, which approximates to 1% of its entire combined wealth.

The UK 's Brexit is a mere hiccup to the EU, an inconvenience that has demanded disproportionate attention far and away exceeding its importance not least because for the past three years the Tories simply could not make ups their minds what they wanted and nor could they offer a coherent bargaining position other than one seemingly rooted in vapid rhetoric pandering to the stupid in Britain.

The EU have repeatedly stated through Barnier et al that a comprehensive deal cannot be negotiated within a timescale of seven months as demand by the ERG/Bojo nutters.

It remains to be seen how much this is mere piffle waffle from the Clown but the lines have already been drawn and the EU have made it clear, they will not compromise the union for a bad deal out of expediency and there it is.

The EU do not do brinkmanship with a toddler state not worth more than 3% of its combined trade turnover. Why the hell would they? The only serious concern the EU has is the security of the 3 million EU citizens who have settled in Britain but if the Clown follows through with his victimisation then any action will be reciprocated and the 4 million in Europe will suffer too.

Still, thanks for the laugh re, a " nimble Britain". Britain has still the worst level of productivity in Europe apart from the recent accession states and Greece ( all of whom are fucking irrelevant ), since 2016 it has the second worst growth rate in the EU whereas before Brexit it had the second highest and in terms of debt to GDP ratio it is has the sixth highest level of indebtedness in all 28 states.

And the UK's current account deficit is widening and the Clown has yet to splash out the £60 billions he said he would to fix the damage done by May.

And the £ is still only 39 baht and $1.31, over 20% down pre-Brexit .

The UK is a busted flush now running on fumes from delusion and silly rhetoric about how the world is going to invest in its massive manufacturing base, exploit its huge technological park in Swindon and beat a path to the doors of Scunthorpe and its massive Antipodean-busting open cast mines and steel foundries, and of course the unicorn hunting park in South Yorkshire.

Well Sausages its all good for the EU then, this should be plain sailing not even a bump in the road for them - not really sure what all the fuss is about. So all good and the UK can get on with life. Excellent.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

plain sailing not even a bump in the road

Reading a post of yours following one from thegent is like watching Ed Balls take to the stage following Rudolf Nureyev.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Reading a post of yours following one from thegent is like watching Ed Balls take to the stage following Rudolf Nureyev.

Why thanks Syb, are you saying that i am not repetitive like Sausages?

There's no point responding to Sausages with anything other than one liners because he has and does trot out the same lines daily and has done for years now.

The fact is we are leaving and no one knows quite how that will work out, unless Sausages has sorely missed his vocation and it turns out he is the one economist in the history of economists that can actually get a prediction right. He could always join the Bank Of England, its full of economists who don't need to get anything right but still get paid. Kind of like Sausages as a Civil Servant.

How the Hols going?

And yet repeatedly you fail to address the inadequacies of the Brexit position which appears to have no doctrinal substance other than cheap rhetoric phrased in xenophobic and tawdry nationalism.

" Everything will be good, we are free now, everyone will get richer and no more foreigners will settle" is about the measure of it, a mantra for the dimwitted, the ill-informed, the ignorant and the deluded.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

The UK derives around 13% of its GDP from EU unfettered trade, vice versa, it's 3%.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing as amply shown by seeking Ass. The 3% is not spread evenly across the 27 remainers. 24 countries have a favourable balance of trade with the UK. Germany Netherlands Spain Belgium are the top 4 with the most to lose in a tariff war....

Indeed a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and you would be well advised to heed your own advice.

It is far more complex than simply taking the balance of trade and picking the biggest Customers. There are the types of goods and services and the tariffs that might be imposed on each. There is also the potential loss of service exports due to lack of EU visitors in the business sector to consider. Furthermore, the loss of the EMA will potentially lose a large export market in goods as well as services.

Obviously, it won't be all doom and gloom with potential for other markets to emerge, but there will be a definite financial impact to the UK in the short to mid term. However, the Government has to seek short term gains to keep popularity and will make compromises.

You might be advised to read CBP-7851 and its appendix excel spreadsheet:

Statistics on UK-EU trade - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

I also advise you to read CBP-8586

Trade in services and Brexit - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

^^ Well Sausages, lets see. Hopefully they will reintroduce passport stamps in the EU and you can collect them.

Incidentally don't you have an Oirish passport? so whats stopping you moving to Ireland with your bloke and enjoying all the EU has to offer, surely better than Pattaya.