Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

the loss of critical reflective skills enables binary cliches to dominate politics to the benefit of politicians' bank accounts and to the detriment of society as a whole - any thoughts on that?

Well you've just described the genesis of PM BoJo and his ever-narrowing cabal to a tee, obviously.

Syb what of your God Corbyn, does he have any policies or just shit Labour make up and then back track on ad infinitum.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Well you've just described the genesis of PM BoJo and his ever-narrowing cabal to a tee, obviously.

I don't disagree with that to an extent, but at least he is trying to adhere to election and referendum promises/results - so he does have a people's mandate.

Would you like to open your other eye too, and analyze the Liberals or Labour?

Syb slags off leavers and Tories, Syb gets a response and decides he's not a Troll, Syb is not happy today. Syb is busy working.

Originally Posted by cyrille

show me some quotes that suggest in any way that Corbyn is my 'god', or that I even particularly rate him.

Originally Posted by Switch

Please explain your understanding of this latin abbreviation and exactly how it is relevant?

If you are unable to comply with this request, you will be reported for talking shit and using irrelevant abbreviations.

Muppet.

QED

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I don't disagree with that to an extent, but at least he is trying to adhere to election and referendum promises/results - so he does have a people's mandate.

Would you like to open your other eye too, and analyze the Liberals or Labour?

FFS, Betty are you some religious freak? REF1 is not some God scripture,

I see France said yesterday they will veto any Brexit extension under the current circumstances, wonder if Macron has cleared that with Merkel. France my new favourite country.

However the Brexit will result, it's for sure, it supports the TD clicking...

Originally Posted by buriramboy

I see France said yesterday they will veto any Brexit extension under the current circumstances, wonder if Macron has cleared that with Merkel. France my new favourite country.

you wish, she is going to bitchslap Macron like last time, and he is going to comply

expect 18 months instead of the 24 she will push for

Brexit: MPs to hold second vote on early election
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49630094

The government is to ask MPs to agree to a snap election for a second time, in what could be one of Parliament's last acts before being suspended.

No 10 has billed Monday's vote as Labour's "last chance" to secure an early general election.

But the government is expected to be defeated, with opposition parties wanting their law aimed at avoiding a no-deal Brexit to be implemented first.

Boris Johnson is also due to meet Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar in Dublin.

The prime minister first called for a snap election after MPs - including rebel Tories - voted in favour of a bill requiring him to seek an extension to the Brexit deadline of 31 October if a deal is not reached before 19 October.

That bill is set to gain royal assent and become law on Monday, but has been criticised by ministers as "lousy" and weakening the government's negotiating position with Brussels.

Downing Street said the vote calling for an election, which comes ahead of this week's shutdown of Parliament, was Labour's last chance to secure an early election and have the chance to win its own mandate from the public to delay Brexit.

The motion, which requires the support of two-thirds of MPs, was defeated last week and is expected to fail again.

Meanwhile, ministers have said they will "test to the limit" the new law aimed at averting no-deal.
'Breach'

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said the government would abide by the law but would "look very carefully" at its "interpretation" of the legislation.

One plan reportedly under discussion is to ask a sympathetic EU member to veto an extension.

Another potential option would be to formally send an extension request, but send a second letter to the EU making it clear the UK government does not want one.

But Lord Sumption, a former judge of the UK's Supreme Court, said such a ploy would not be legal because the legislation compels the PM to seek an extension.

"To send the letter and then try and neutralise it seems to me to be plainly a breach of the act," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said although No 10 was not looking to break the law, efforts were under way to examine ways of getting around it.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

The motion, which requires the support of two-thirds of MPs, was defeated last week and is expected to fail again.

2/3rd, qualified majority. That's for important matters concerning the country.. Brexit to you all! But only with a deal!

No-deal block cannot be circumvented, say rebel ex-Tory MPs
Rory Stewart says more cabinet ministers could follow Amber Rudd in resigning

Rebel ex-Conservative MPs have dismissed the idea that Boris Johnson could get around a backbench bill forcing him to seek an extension to Brexit, as they warned that more cabinet ministers could follow Amber Rudd in quitting.


Johnson was heading to Dublin on Monday to meet the Irish prime minister, Leo Varadkar, having suffered yet another political blow with the resignation of Rudd, the work and pensions secretary, over the weekend.


With the Dublin trip seen as key in persuading other worried ministers that Johnson is serious about trying to negotiate a new Brexit deal, Johnson will face a sceptical reception in Ireland, with the Irish government stressing it has yet to see even the basics of a supposed replacement for the backstop border insurance policy.


Rory Stewart, the former international development secretary who was among 21 Tory MPs ejected from the party for backing plans to push through the bill mandating a Brexit delay, said he believed there were other ministers considering their positions.


“Yes, I think there are,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “Because everybody who was in the cabinet with me and Amber, under Theresa May’s government, was very aware of the dangers of a no-deal Brexit. And remember, very, very recently – barely seven weeks ago – the formal policy of the cabinet was to avoid a no-deal Brexit.”

Later on Monday, the rebel bill that led to Stewart and others losing the Tory whip is expected to receive royal assent. It will mandate Johnson to seek a Brexit delay till 31 January if, by the middle of next month, he has not passed a departure deal or got MPs’ consent for no deal.


Stewart dismissed reported ideas that Johnson – who has pledged to never seek a delay – could seek to get round the law, for example by adding a second letter to the mandated approach to the EU over an extension spelling out that he does not actually want this.


“I remain very, very confident we can stop no deal. Because in the end parliament is sovereign, and we are making a positive case for a moderate, pragmatic solution to the problem,” he said.


David Gauke, the former justice secretary and another key rebel, said a separate letter would be pointless given the EU would know it was not the will of parliament. “The European Union are perfectly capable of following our news stories,” he told BBC1’s Breakfast programme.


Of a parallel letter, Gauke said: “It carries no weight. Statute will say that the position is that the prime minister is writing to the European Union seeking an extension. Now, of course, the European Union can refuse that extension. I personally think that they wouldn’t want to be blamed for a no-deal Brexit and they will agree to an extension.”


While saying he was “very confident” that Johnson would ultimately comply with the new law, he condemned anonymous briefings that No 10 could decide to simply ignore it, calling this “damaging to our reputation”.


Also speaking on Monday, the former supreme court justice Lord Sumption said it would not be legal for Johnson to apply for a Brexit extension while simultaneously trying to get the EU to reject it.


“No, of course it wouldn’t,” he told Today. “The bill, or act as it’s about to become, says that he’s got to apply for an extension. Not only has he got to send the letter, he’s got to apply for an extension. To send the letter and then try to neutralise it seems to me, plainly, a breach of the act. What you’ve got to realise is the courts are not very fond of loopholes.”


When he returns from Dublin later on Monday, Johnson is expected to make a second attempt to trigger a general election on 15 October by asking MPs to support a motion tabled under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act.


But he is almost certain to be rebuffed for a second time, after opposition leaders agreed on Friday to reject a snap poll until a no-deal Brexit has been definitively avoided.


Speaking before the Dublin trip the Irish finance minister, Paschal Donohoe, told Today he remained unclear about much-touted UK government plans for alternative arrangements to replace the backstop, the guarantee against a hard Irish border, which Johnson has vowed to scrap.


“What I would say to those who are putting those ideas forward is we are yet to see examples of how they would work not only on our island but anywhere else in the world,” he said.


“To be in a situation where we would have one part of our island inside the single market and the other outside the single market is a very, very testing challenge for alternative arrangements.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-rory-stewart

Done ok, they did.

“What I would say to those who are putting those ideas forward is we are yet to see examples of how they would work not only on our island but anywhere else in the world,” he said.


“To be in a situation where we would have one part of our island inside the single market and the other outside the single market is a very, very testing challenge for alternative arrangements.”

From The Guardian as posted by Cyrille

The EU seems to be flexible in its approach when it suits it - take Cyprus as an example.

is Boris preparing for a 180 on Brexit?

Johnson tells Varadkar no-deal Brexit 'would be a failure'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49608822

A no-deal Brexit would be a failure that both the British and Irish governments would be responsible for, Boris Johnson has said.

The prime minister is in Dublin for his first meeting with the taoiseach (Irish PM) since he entered Downing Street.

Downing Street confirmed Parliament would be suspended later after a vote on holding an early general election.

Opposition parties said they will not back the vote, meaning no election in mid October as Mr Johnson had hoped.

Speaking in Dublin, Mr Johnson said he believed a Brexit deal was still possible by the EU summit in October.

However Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said there was no such thing as a "clean break" between the UK and the EU.

Mr Johnson has ruled out asking the EU to delay the Brexit deadline of 31 October - but the Irish government said it would support another extension.

Ahead of the meeting, Mr Varadkar said he would be asking Boris Johnson how he plans to get a Brexit deal through Parliament when he does not have a majority in the House of Commons.

But Mr Johnson told reporters in Dublin that he was "absolutely undaunted" about what might happen in Parliament in the coming days.

Downing Street later confirmed Parliament will be suspended when business in the Commons finishes on Monday night or the early hours of Tuesday.

Originally Posted by Warwick

The EU seems to be flexible in its approach when it suits it - take Cyprus as an example.

As far as the EU is concerned, Cyprus as a whole (The Republic of Cyprus) is a member.

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is recognised only by Turkey.

Completely different to the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

^^It's been a real highlight watching that entitled wanker get planted on his fat arse.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Completely different to the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

I never suggested that it was the same situation. I tried to point out that the EU was able to adopt a flexible attitude to the border and would be willing to do so for cross border trade if it were not blocked from doing so by the Greek Cypriots.

I repeat - the EU can be flexible about their own rules when they feel it is in their interests to do so.

But the Cypriot 'border' is not recognised by anyone except Turkey.

The EU's 'approach' to it is therefore neither flexible nor inflexible.

fook, nothing is going to happen during those 5 weeks, it's going to be boring news day

meanwhile, fat Boris is not actively looking for the 30 day solution to the backstop

Brexit: Parliament suspension to go ahead later
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49630094

The five-week suspension of Parliament will begin later, after MPs are expected to again reject government calls for a snap election.

Opposition MPs confirmed they would not back the push for a 15 October poll, insisting a law blocking a no-deal Brexit must be implemented first.

Ministers have called the law "lousy" and said they would "test to the limit" what it required of them.

Boris Johnson has been warned he could face legal action for flouting it.

At present, UK law states that the country will leave the EU on 31 October, regardless of whether a withdrawal deal has been agreed with Brussels or not.

But the new legislation, which was granted royal assent on Monday, changes that, and will force the PM to seek a delay to 31 January 2020 unless a deal - or a no-deal exit - is approved by MPs by 19 October.

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said although No 10 insisted it was not looking to break the new law, efforts were under way to examine ways of getting around it.

Meanwhile, John Bercow has said he will stand down as Commons Speaker and MP at the next election, or on 31 October, whichever comes first, after 10 years in the role.

Never a good idea to piss off a QC. Dominic Grieve's motion requesting details of No-deal brexit plans and the Comms relating to decision to suspend parliament is approved.

Things not looking too good for Boris at the moment.

All hopes now rest with my new favourite country France and hoping the granny grabber will stick to his word and veto any extension.

Personally though I just think this is a cunning plan drawn up by remainers and the EU, the EU says it will veto any extension and remainers have control of Parliament if not the government so with the EU refusing an extension the remainers then propose a bill to revoke A50 which will pass. So many possible outcomes before Oct 31 but I'm now starting to believe Godfrey Bloom who said on the day after the referendum that they will never let us leave. Let's just hope Boris still has something up his sleeve other than a rehash of Doris deal.