Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

What a relief that the current air pollution prevents me leaving the lair.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

You're comparing a referendum that was mandated by an election and took place with a referendum that is an impossibility.

The referendum you refer to wasn't legally binding so elections and imaginary mandates are neither here nor there.

I'm not comparing anything, I'm simply asking the same question Betty is asking, aka changing the furniture but keeping the logic:

Originally Posted by foobar

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Do you support a referendum and direct implementation of the result? Yes or no. Simple.

If the referendum was to lower the age of consent to 5 years old, ...how would you answer your own question?

Yes or no. Simple

If you refuse to answer it means you don't support the will of the people or the implementation of referendum results ...when you don't like what has been voted on.
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Oh dear, where has Betty suddenly flounced off to?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

As opposed the utopia of France...

Deaths in double figures, army deployed throughout the country, nearly 15 protester's eyes blown out (and these are figures from a few months ago...):

nice distraction, wtf has this got to do with Brexit, Britard

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

nice distraction, wtf has this got to do with Brexit, Britard

You will find it harder to watch from your offices this weekend, Paps because Macron has called the army in to protect you...

betty, referundums can be good or bad for democracy depending on the political context when it's being used, because populism and mob rules always lead to dictorship

when the question is fair and balanced on an important issue after careful political considerations, then yes REF are good

when the question is done to manipulate crowds or satisfy populist ideas in a charged political environment, then it's a democratic disaster

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

You will find it harder to watch from your offices this weekend, Paps because Macron has called the army in to protect you...

The Yellow Vests have lost the support of the majority already, it's a ghost movement now, it self destroyed thanks to the violence of the "bad blocks" and the mob rule mentality that dominated the movement where free speech within the movement was censored

it's finished, this is their last act

still quite impressive though,

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

nice distraction, wtf has this got to do with Brexit, Britard

I asked the same yesterday ...no answer

Maybe I should post a video of an erupting volcano as an argument against Brexit.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

betty, referundums can be good or bad for democracy depending on the political context when it's being used, because populism and mob rules always lead to dictorship

when the question is fair and balanced on an important issue after careful political considerations, then yes REF are good

when the question is done to manipulate crowds or satisfy populist ideas in a charged political environment, then it's a democratic disaster

I agree.

The EU has been a big point, split down the middle, since the 70s. This referendum should have been done properly, but was shameful on both sides, and it has only gotten worse since the result; the early days of Grove/Johnson (two untrustworthy idiots) set the tone, and seems there has never been any adults in the room to change the tone.

That doesn't change the fact that the EU is unpopular in many places including the UK.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

This referendum should have been done properly, but was shameful on both side

Hmm, according to your own words such a statement means you don't support people taking charge of democratic processes.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I agree.

The EU has been a big point, split down the middle, since the 70s. This referendum should have been done properly, but was shameful on both sides, and it has only gotten worse since the result; the early days of Grove/Johnson (two untrustworthy idiots) set the tone, and seems there has never been any adults in the room to change the tone.

That doesn't change the fact that the EU is unpopular in many places including the UK.

finally, it took you what, 200 pages to get it? congrats

yes the EU is unpopular in most places, growing pains etc... nobody deny that but the alternative is far worse

and yes the world is not fair and it's shit, welcome to adulthood, young padawan

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I always support democracy being given back to the people. I don't support the current institutions of governance in the EU or the UK. The two are closely connected, so one affects the other.

As for your other comment, you decontextualize when it suits you, recontextualize at other times to suit you, then band around insults based upon the deception you played; you are a strange man... Enjoy your studies, the legal profession will suit your skillset well.

those institutions are going to evolve with time, once the EU is fully integrated and nationality become an administative label, not a people identity

technically the Brits are not Europeans, they are an ethnic group of their own, islanders and travellers

in that sense, Brexit is perfectly legitimate

if they want to die off as an endangered species, not for us to judge, let them choose their own destiny

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

betty, referundums can be good or bad for democracy depending on the political context when it's being used, because populism and mob rules always lead to dictorship

when the question is fair and balanced on an important issue after careful political considerations, then yes REF are good

when the question is done to manipulate crowds or satisfy populist ideas in a charged political environment, then it's a democratic disaster

With that logic, a second referendum now, would also be pointless. You could even apply the same logic to a GE.
Frankly the domestic atmosphere at he time of the original referendum was fairly benign. The political situation for the government was overcast at best, with Tories split over the influence of UKIP votes.

Interesting that now UKIP is dead and presents no threat to government, the Tory party i still riven by huge fault lines.

Your hopes of a hard brexit for your masturbatory fantasy seem to be slipping away now.

Has the revolution begun? Oh, sorry. That's tomorrow. What time's kickoff?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

It's not growing pains, the pain comes from the fact that forcing one ideology upon many different social and economic group is a fool's errand.

Fundamentally, the wealth divide across Europe is growing from North to South, and has been for a long time; youth unemployment is at terrible rates in Southern Europe - this is at the heart of a democratic Europe, but simply hasn't been addressed adequately. The EU needs to change, they need to get Brexit out of the way and concentrate on their problems.

does the EU has a lot of problems growing? of course it has. If it didn't, that will bring more questions than not and probably more internal fights for absolute power.

Again you are forgetting the essentials: the legacy of wars and the danger of nationalism

does the EU is trying to destroy nationalism? of course it does. That's the whole point, making us all brothers.

In some ways the EU project is very much like communism, that is a manifest to stop absolute power for the national elite and populists who like to start wars to steal ressources from their neighboors and create cahos for the little people, that is the workers. The united workers manifest of international communism was to achieve peace and brotherhood of all the workers in the world, and to defend their right for a peaceful and meaningful future without wars started by their despicable elite

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

technically the Brits are not Europeans, they are an ethnic group of their own, islanders and travellers

in that sense, Brexit is perfectly legitimate

if they want to die off as an endangered species, not for us to judge, let them choose their own destiny

Historically inaccurate. The UK has been invaded by many and even occupied by some of your favourite Europeans. The UK is a better amalgam of european influences than the EU will ever be. Your disparate collection of northern and southern states is certainly doomed to failure. All that brexit has done is to expose the fractures in your proposed republic. Trying tp force greater union via the Lisbon treaty will be the final nail in the EU coffin.

You should really be more polite when talking about true European ancestry.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Has the revolution begun? Oh, sorry. That's tomorrow. What time's kickoff?

Fuck off and die, you porky faced redneck c*nt.

Originally Posted by Switch

With that logic, a second referendum now, would also be pointless. You could even apply the same logic to a GE.
Frankly the domestic atmosphere at he time of the original referendum was fairly benign. The political situation for the government was overcast at best, with Tories split over the influence of UKIP votes.

Interesting that now UKIP is dead and presents no threat to government, the Tory party i still riven by huge fault lines.

too late now for REF2, and yes pretty charged political environment to carry one. Pointless as it will bring more questions if vote to remain.

Your hopes of a hard brexit for your masturbatory fantasy seem to be slipping away now.

you still think REMAIN is the default?

the problem with the UK is they didn't really suffer from the war (the 2nd one) and were never invaded by Germans with the damages that came with it

their "virgin princess" mentality is the whole reason why they don't want to be penetrated annally by the EU and why they are petrified of the big bad wolf (Germany, the old ennemy). However they have no problem doing it on their own, that is fingering their ass constantly with dildos.