Brexit - It's Still On!

**NamPikToot** · 07-02-2019, 02:53 AM

Troy i honestly can't believe i voted.... where was your voice of reason when i spent nights in indecision waking at all hours - you are right tho people should never be trusted with democracy...leave it to professionals

**foobar** · 07-02-2019, 02:59 AM

^It's good to know your limitations.

**buriramboy** · 07-02-2019, 03:07 AM

We are all going to hell who is joining me? Clean Brexit here we come.

**buriramboy** · 07-02-2019, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Troy

Well, thank-you toots, but you have only pointed out one of the reasons. You forgot that the Maybot, as Home Secretary made it virtually impossible for me to return to the UK with my third national wife. You also forgot that the UK stopped the marriage tax allowance, forcing many into two income families and the UK fails to respect Sunday as a day of rest.

However, all these minor points pale into insignificance when compared to the utter stupidity of having any kind of referendum on a money oriented issue, a referendum with a simple yes or no to a very complex issue that involves many different scenarios, none of which were explained or planned for. A referendum that has been blindly acted upon with no regard for almost half the population that voted against it and many that regret voting for it. A referendum which was plagued by media lies that are still being bounded around to this day.

Imagine a referendum that asked if citizens should pay income tax and the majority responding no, since it'll save them a fair few pennies each year.

No idea so I'm asking honestly did Doris scrap the being married for over 4 years living overseas rule? As that's how myself and the better half returned was granted whatever she was granted based on over 4 years marriage living overseas, if I remember had indefinite leave to remain automatically just stayed in UK 2 years then had a UK passport. Going from pissed up memory we came to UK in 2009 and she got her UK passport in 2012.

**Troy** · 07-02-2019, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

If it wasn't for the education Troy received at UK taxpayers expense he would never be making the money he does in Germany. UK taxpayers paid for his education and yet he pays no UK tax. Troy is what is wrong with the UK as in takes out through his state funded education then pays nothing back and thinks he has a right to a vote on UK future.

Primary education partly in France. Public school educated in UK but I did get a grant for uni. I reckon my mil service pays for that, keeping you safely tucked in each night. I had fun surviving the green goddesses, being a bin man and sewer man as well as a free trip to the southern hemisphere.

**Troy** · 07-02-2019, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

No idea so I'm asking honestly did Doris scrap the being married for over 4 years living overseas rule? As that's how myself and the better half returned was granted whatever she was granted based on over 4 years marriage living overseas, if I remember had indefinite leave to remain automatically just stayed in UK 2 years then had a UK passport. Going from pissed up memory we came to UK in 2009 and she got her UK passport in 2012.

She has made it much harder now but don't have all the hoops to hand. Not being resident means a visit visa every 2 years or so to see family. Marriage visa was scrapped, B1 English beforehand and a hefty visa fee if I am resident UK. I think the measures fail basic human rights so she can burn in hell.

**buriramboy** · 07-02-2019, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Troy

She has made it much harder now but don't have all the hoops to hand. Not being resident means a visit visa every 2 years or so to see family. Marriage visa was scrapped, B1 English beforehand and a hefty visa fee if I am resident UK. I think the measures fail basic human rights so she can burn in hell.

Again going from memory it was Jack Straw under Labour who scrapped the automatic right to reside in UK if had been married and living overseas for 4 years and used to be free aswell to bring your spouse back to the UK. Bar a well documented court case in 2001 the only time I set foot in the UK between 1999 and 2009 was for 2 weeks in 2001 and my wife got granted a settlement visa in 2008 (married in 2002) but could apply for ILR straight away or British citizenship straight away if I remember or maybe I have it wrong but I know got granted something based on over 4 years of marriage over seas. Returned UK 2009 and she had a UK passport by 2012.

I'm pissed if this don't make sense I'll try again tomorrow!!!!!

**Troy** · 07-02-2019, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Troy i honestly can't believe i voted.... where was your voice of reason when i spent nights in indecision waking at all hours - you are right tho people should never be trusted with democracy...leave it to professionals

Never be trusted with absolute democracy. That is why we have representative democracy.

How on earth anyone was expected to vote on brexit objectively is anyone's guess. Slogans and lies don't make for very good plans and ways forward, which has been made quite obvious over the last 2 1/2 years.

**buriramboy** · 07-02-2019, 03:50 AM

That's right the slogan of the 'EU ARMY' clearly wasn't a vote winner. Can't see it working next time either along with Tusk comments today. What is it with people called Donald?

**NamPikToot** · 07-02-2019, 03:51 AM

Troy, seriously, you make a distinction...we are expected to vote quadrennially and you think the party narrative, albeit more wordy is any clearer and more reliable...give me a break...that is delusional.

**Troy** · 07-02-2019, 03:55 AM

^^ It does new rules came in 2012 for language. Marriage visa was no longer a visa option in 2016. Don't know at the moment, we need to get a new one this year but not until I know my status due to brexit. There were couples getting in through marriage and ECJ despite UK regs but Cameron put a stop to that in 2016.
I have had problems with flights even with all the paperwork so we usually take the ferry. I could smuggle her in during April or May

**buriramboy** · 07-02-2019, 03:56 AM

This is why remain will lose again as they can't understand why people voted leave, even after having it explained to them numerous times they still don't listen and just want to label 18 million people as racists, bigots etc.

If you want to win a second referendum better spend your time telling people how you are going to improve their lives rather than calling them racists and bigots as that's strategy clearly didn't work first time.

**Neverna** · 07-02-2019, 09:57 AM

50 days.

**Mandaloopy** · 07-02-2019, 10:30 AM

More pressing than Brexit is ending austerity in the UK and booting the Tories out for decades. I'd imagine skilled workers will still be able to work in the EU, and usually for better money and employment benefits than the UK. For example, I am yet to find a school in the UK that will give me private healthcare, free housing, flights, and free housing. The vast majority of international schools do, so I'm set.

However, I'm not one for this "I'm alright Jack" mentality. It will be sad that folks are going to lose their freedom to work and travel around the EU- not everyone is in the same boat. There are also a lot of unskilled jobs in the UK that may go unfilled unless salaries increase- which they won't

**Bettyboo** · 07-02-2019, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Troy i honestly can't believe i voted.... where was your voice of reason when i spent nights in indecision waking at all hours - you are right tho people should never be trusted with democracy...leave it to professionals

Indeed.

What we see are three problems:

1) The EU ideologues are insane, want more central power and just spew dogmatic nastiness at anybody who doesn't submit to their authority. It's impossible to deal with these people. By the way, they are the most corrupt of the corrupt, a good long look at their bank accounts and where the money came from is long overdue.

2) British parliamentary democracy clearly holds the electorate in complete contempt, and has done since Blair's time when the marketing people took over and real politicians and grass-roots politics completely died.

3) A large proportion of the British electorate take their ideas from Facebook and Tweets without realising these are controlled by the same big business interests that own Tusk, the Drunkard and so many others. Political discussion whether it be in universities, traditional 'working men's clubs', trade unions, political memberships and groups have just disappeared since Thatcher's attack on the working class discussion space and rights to protest. Labour got a huge influx of 'members' during the last election campaign, but this was just the snowflake generation joining en masse - Ii doubt any of them have actually followed politics, read a book, keep up to date, meet up to discuss solutions to social problems, etc... Of course, this group quickly got bored when Labour didn't win the election and give them everything promised, so the Labour membership is again dropping down...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...half-a-million

& Tusk's comments are ridiculous, the words of a frustrated and panicking man, exactly as expected at this stage of negotiations - we just need to hold our nerve, and they will break down one by one...

Of course the EU don't want to reopen negotiations because they got everything they wanted for free. But, as long as Britain keeps smiling, being a friendly but separate European country, then these extremist nutters with their EU army, propaganda youth funding programs, huge salaries and ever narrowing viewpoints will wane.

**lom** · 07-02-2019, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Of course the EU don't want to reopen negotiations because they got everything they wanted for free.

Could you be a bit more specific there, what did EU want and what did they get?

**Seekingasylum** · 07-02-2019, 12:44 PM

Has Bettyboo had some sort of stroke? He seems to be posting in the style of a 15 year old boy from a somewhat indifferent comprehensive school in the Home Counties.

Or is it a combination of drink and drugs?

Bizarre, really, but evidently whatever cognitive ability he might have had is now seriously impaired.

**cyrille** · 07-02-2019, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Labour got a huge influx of 'members' during the last election campaign, but this was just the snowflake generation joining en masse - Ii doubt any of them have actually followed politics, read a book, keep up to date, meet up to discuss solutions to social problems, etc...

You were in Korea when this was happening, right?

And you're pulling this 'analysis' right out of your arse?

**NamPikToot** · 07-02-2019, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Bizarre, really, but evidently whatever cognitive ability he might have had is now seriously impaired.

Gent, do you not see the irony in your post, good grief - you pulling someone up on posting style with your pathetic noun laden diatribe.

**Bettyboo** · 07-02-2019, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

You were in Korea when this was happening, right?

And you're pulling this 'analysis' right out of your arse?

It's easy to check, party membership is detailed regularly...

(As the graph indicates, between 1970-1990 party membership dropped by about 70%, and has stayed steady since excluding a bump for Labour leading up to the 2017 election - which has dropped 15% since last July and is still dropping.)
Labour membership is expected to fall below half a million for the first time since its peak under Jeremy Corbyn because about 40,000 people are in arrears.
The unusual number of lapsed payments was discussed at a meeting of Labour’s ruling national executive committee (NEC) on Tuesday, as the drop will hit Labour’s budget.
A source present at the meeting said the number of members who are up to date with their payments is now about 483,000, with about 40,000 having fallen behind.
The peak of party membership under Corbyn was 554,000 members as of last July, which had fallen to 528,000 by December.
However, senior party figures warned at the time that this lower figure might not reflect the scale of people leaving the party, as some might have simply cancelled their direct debits without informing the party formally that they wanted to leave.
The membership figure as of the general election on 6 May 2015 was 201,293.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...half-a-million

All of the above supports my analysis while your insults seem to come from nowhere but an emotional insecurity.

My job is critical discourse analysis, I do it all day every day, analysing the history of events, who likely benefitted and what facts support that mechanism. I find it really boring talking to folks who offer nothing other than cliches and parroting of propaganda...

I was at uni in England during the 80s and early 90s when the systematic elimination of discourse and discussion was in full swing to be replaced by corporate managed Facebook sites and Twitter feeds to sway the snowflakes in whichever direction the corporate/government alliance dictated. Challenging conventional discourse (i.e. entrenched power elites such as the EU, BBC, etc) has become all but non-existent. That is evident both in the universities (even true of the professors nowadays) and websites where keyboard warriors can facelessly say whatever they like without offering support, intelligence or any thinking processes at all. I eagerly await your next cliche as a reply...

**foobar** · 07-02-2019, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

& Tusk's comments are ridiculous

What exactly is ridiculous about his comment?

"special place in hell for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out..."

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

.....the words of a frustrated and panicking man, exactly as expected at this stage of negotiations - we just need to hold our nerve, and they will break down one by one...

Oh yes, the EU are panicking and will break soon ROFL!!!!! Straight copy-and-paste from the Daily Express, utterly deluded as always...

We? ...easy to say hold your nerve when you have abandoned the UK and cheering on Brexit from the other side of the world with your foreign wife, knowing full well if does go "tits up" then you won't be effected.

You're just another plastic nationalist, coward, and hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Anyways, much better cheering on Brexit from afar just incase it all goes tits up (which I'm sure it won't)...

**foobar** · 07-02-2019, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

(As the graph indicates, between 1970-1990 party membership dropped by about 70%, and has stayed steady since excluding a bump for Labour leading up to the 2017 election - which has dropped 15% since last July and is still dropping.)

Your graph shows Labour membership dropping by a little over 1% between 1970-1990 not your claimed 70%.

Your graph only goes up to 3% maximum so your claim the graph indicates a 70% drop is actually 100% impossible.

What is it with Brexiteers and graphs(normally learned in junior school)?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

My job is critical discourse analysis, I do it all day every day, analysing the history of events, who likely benefitted and what facts support that mechanism. I find it really boring talking to folks who offer nothing other than cliches and parroting of propaganda...

.....Betty based on your posts you are borderline vegetable who offers nothing other than cliches and parroting of Daily Express propaganda, "My job is critical discourse analysis" ...

**Dragonfly** · 07-02-2019, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

We are all going to hell who is joining me? Clean Brexit here we come.

I will be in the first row watching you guys burst into flames

**cyrille** · 07-02-2019, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

As the graph indicates, between 1970-1990 party membership dropped by about 70%

Wow.

**Dragonfly** · 07-02-2019, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

This is why remain will lose again as they can't understand why people voted leave, even after having it explained to them numerous times they still don't listen and just want to label 18 million people as racists, bigots etc.

If you want to win a second referendum better spend your time telling people how you are going to improve their lives rather than calling them racists and bigots as that's strategy clearly didn't work first time.

the UK is currently not in the right mind for accepting any kind of deal with the EU

let's wait a few years when you guys will be on your knees after a hard recession and a worthless currency, suddenly all those petty issues about independence, back-stop, immigration will no longer matter in terms of priority

you guys are so fucked, and so arrogant, you don't even see it

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