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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    This is like looking up at a man about to jump from a skyscraper and wondering 'How will the cleaners manage'.
    Indeed. Someone will have to clean up the rubble of the EU collapse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    So why the vote to leave?
    Racist old bastards who long for things that are no longer and will never be again. The same reason that the US elected that orange moron. A dying demographic desperate to force their dated world view on the majority.

    Is is not sustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Racist old bastards who long for things that are no longer and will never be again. The same reason that the US elected that orange moron. A dying demographic desperate to force their dated world view on the majority.

    Is is not sustainable.
    Neither is globalization or hegemony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Getting ever closer to self immolation there seeking ass. Where would you like your ashes scattered?
    Wouldn't take seekingalzheimers too seriously. It is hard for a chap who hasn't worked in the real world of commerce. He understandably has an anxiety attack at the mere thought of taking responsibility, lateral thinking, or actually achieving something other than maintaining the status quo. Ex civil servants tend to become totally debilitated at the mere thought of anything more challenging than mediocrity.
    Unfortunately this makes him about as perspicacious as a...well... civil servant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    A couple of points.
    The May deal is being presented as a fait accompli. For some strange reason, a deal that puts UK in a worse position than before, and locks the country into 2 more years of uncertainty and instability is seeen as a panacea in parliament.
    Its quite clear that this is being orchestrated by someone outside government. I agree with Nev. There’s a good chance this deal could just scrape through, given all the bullying, threats and unsuitable alternatives.

    Although I have been strongly against a second referendum, perhaps it’s time to take it out of MPs hands, and let the now better informed public vote again. Given the surprise result of the 1st referendum, it’s clear that any external interests cannot usurp the authority of the people, in the same way they seem to be manipulating parliament.

    The ultimate prize is still a no deal Brexit, simply because it can be made to work, and the EU is so afraid of it.
    gee, took you that long to figure it out

    bet the Lithuanian nurse came around and changed your diaper,

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    For Troy. Please note how practical and honest the Germans are being in advance of a no deal Brexit.

    It’s fair to say that no-one really knows how Brexit will turn out. However, German officials are working in the background to make sure citizens are not affected too much in the event of a no-deal Brexit. We looked at how they are doing this and what it means for Brits.

    The German government last week approved a draft bill that aims to guarantee the rights of people affected in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
    By addressing social security, education, citizenship, as well as business and finance issues, the government hopes it will be able to cushion the effects of Brexit on everyday life.
    SEE ALSO: What you should know about the Brexit deal if you're British in Germany
    As Chancellor Angela Merkel reiterated last week, EU countries want an ‘orderly’ exit by the UK that includes a withdrawal agreement in place that everyone is more or less happy with.
    But if there is no-deal, which seems likely at the moment as the UK government grapples with in-fighting and the British Prime Minister Theresa May tries to save her original deal, it could cause havoc for businesses and citizens living in the EU - and some people’s rights may be lost.
    “The German government is counting on the orderly withdrawal of the UK from the European Union,” the cabinet said in a statement. “At the same time, though, it is taking precautions in case it proves impossible to come to a comprehensive withdrawal agreement.”
    Daniel Tetlow, who co-founded British in Germany (BiG) with Jane Golding, said the group was “impressed” by the way the German government was preparing for Brexit and the possible event of a no-deal.
    Tetlow, who lives in Berlin, told The Local: “They’re obviously in a difficult position because we still have no clarity on what the outcome is going to be. The fact that laws are already going through the Bundestag is positive."
    Angela Merkel speaking in Brussels on Friday. Photo: DPA
    Citizenship
    Currently Germany allows dual citizenship only to other EU nationals, so British people who want to become German after Brexit would technically have to give up their passport after the UK leaving date of March 30th, 2019.
    To avoid this, the cabinet has approved legislation that means anyone who’s applied for German citizenship before March 30th next year will be able to keep both passports in the event of a no-deal scenario, even if the decision on their citizenship is made after the Brexit leaving date.
    SEE ALSO: 'They're fleeing Brexit' – more Brits moving to Germany
    “They will be entitled to hold dual citizenship to ensure that they are not adversely affected by the length of time required to process their application,” the cabinet statement said.
    Separately, the German government is preparing a lawthat would would allow dual citizenship for applications made during the Brexit transition period, which ends on December 31st, 2020. However, this would only be the case if a withdrawal agreement was in place, not in a no-deal situation.
    Tetlow said citizenship is “crucial” for many Brits because they will have to decide whether they want to give up their British citizenship if they want to get a German passport after Brexit.
    “Some of the scenarios have been decided but they can’t decide for sure until they know what’s happening, depending on the outcome of the next three months,” said Tetlow pointing to the fact that things are up in the air until we know how Brexit will happen.
    SEE ALSO: Why Brexit is a double-edged sword for Europe: Special report
    Social security protection
    On the issue of social security, the draft law aims to make sure people who have contributed to both the German and British systems before Brexit maintain their rights, such as health insurance, long-term care insurance, unemployment benefits, pension and accident insurance, even in the event of a no-deal scenario.
    The same applies to older people who are living in the UK and receiving a German pension. They will retain their rights even if there is no withdrawal agreement, the cabinet says.
    Education and work
    The government has also approved a bill which which allows for transitional regulations on employment promotion, pre-retirement part-time working and temporary workers.
    On the issue of education, the draft law aims to make sure British trainees and students who have started a training course or a degree in Germany, and vice versa, will be able to complete their education in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
    They will also still be entitled to student loans under the BAöG financial support scheme, even after March 30th 2019, and in the case of a no-deal.
    SEE ALSO: Brexit: 'Brits should try for German citizenship even if they don't think they qualify'
    Tax payers are protected
    Brexit will also have financial consequences so the cabinet has also adopted a draft Brexit Tax Accompanying Act. It aims to ensure that Germany’s financial market will remain stable so it can continue to operate.

    The draft bill includes regulations in taxation, the financial market and labour law. It aims to make sure tax payers are protected from any adverse impacts of Brexit in Germany.
    Plus if the UK leaves the EU without a withdrawal agreement, the bill provides for financial market regulations, to prevent adverse impacts on the German business partners of British financial services companies.
    Will Brits need to re-register?
    British in Germany co-founder Tetlow said the group has been in regular contact with authorities to consult on the steps the government is taking.
    He said they could see how seriously the government is taking it "and how supportive they’ve been of the 120,000 Brits living in Germany right now”.
    However, some things are still up unclear, such as if Brits will have to re-register in Germany (a constitutive registration) or whether it’s an automatic registration that would come from the ‘Anmeldung’ that people living here have already done (a declaratory registration).
    The German government hasn’t said how it will go forward with this. The decision may be influenced by the Brexit negotiations in the UK and Brussels.
    Other topics that are being considered are qualifications - when Brits come to Germany in the future, how will their qualifications be recognized in Germany?
    Furthermore, what about the British people who’ve arrived before Brexit and those who arrive after? They are likely to have different statuses, said Tetlow, although the details haven’t been decided yet.
    UK Prime Minister Theresa May in Brussels on Friday. Photo: DPA
    What about people who can’t get citizenship?
    Tetlow said BiG is in negotiation with the government, trying to get more clarity on the rights of British people in Germany. For example, he said there are many Brits, often young people, who do not have the sufficient years living in Germany needed to be able to apply for citizenship.
    Officially you need eight years, a time which is shortened to three years if you’re married to a German, plus there are other requirements.
    “So many people will fall through the net just to apply for citizenship,” said Tetlow.
    “That’s a major concern for us: what will their status be?”
    The group is recommending that every British person in Germany goes to their local Bürgeramt to discuss citizenship, no matter how long they’ve been in the country.
    SEE ALSO: 'I feel slightly more German': Reflections of a Brit after taking the German citizenship test
    “There’s a lot of flexibility with the German Bürgeramt, you don’t have to tick all the boxes basically,” he said.
    “For instance if you’ve been a really engaged member of the community, that’s in your favour. If you’ve got German children that’s in your favour. There’s all sorts of things that are flexible. The government appears to certainly employ a degree of reasonable discretion when it comes to what is required for residency or citizenship."
    Tetlow said Brits should have a conversation with the workers dealing with citizenship at the Bürgeramt “just so you’re in the picture”.
    "We absolutely recommend all Brits however long they’ve been here, go along to the Bürgeramt and have that conversation," he said. "A lot of people are being encouraged to apply even if they don’t have the full number of years.”
    'People moved to Germany in good faith'
    Last wednesday BiG held a Stammtisch – a meet up – in 17 different locations around Germany. Hundreds of people turned up at meeting points in towns and cities, including in Bremen, Heidelberg and Hamburg, to discuss Brexit and how they are feeling about it.
    Brits attend the Frankfurt Stammtisch hosted last week by British in Germany. Photo: DPA
    Tetlow told The Local that people are generally feeling “annoyed and insecure with so little being clear”.
    “People have made decisions about moving their lives or their families to Germany or to the EU, and many people who moved before any of this Brexit stuff happened moved in good faith and moved on the assumption that they would have the rights as EU citizens for the rest of their lives,” he said.
    For this reason BiG is arguing that those people who moved to Germany without any knowledge of Brexit should have their rights retained.
    “They moved in good faith, people made life long decisions about their lives, about their jobs, their professions on the basis of the rights they have as European citizens.”
    Are you a British person in Germany? How do you feel about Brexit? Let us know.





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    and now for more good news for on the Brexit front

    Brexit: EU reveals no-deal plans
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46617152

    The European Commission says it has started to implement its preparations for a no-deal Brexit - in case the UK crashes out of the EU without a plan.

    It has announced temporary measures to try to reduce the impact, but said it cannot counter all the problems it expects.

    As PM Theresa May's proposed exit plan flounders in parliament, both sides are preparing for the worst-case situation.

    The UK has allocated £2bn ($2.5bn) in funding to government departments.

    The European Commission's measures are designed to limit disruption in certain key areas, such as finance and transport, if Brexit goes ahead in March without a deal.

    "These measures will not - and cannot - mitigate the overall impact of a 'no-deal' scenario," it said in a statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    A couple of points.
    The May deal is being presented as a fait accompli. For some strange reason, a deal that puts UK in a worse position than before, and locks the country into 2 more years of uncertainty and instability is seeen as a panacea in parliament.
    Its quite clear that this is being orchestrated by someone outside government. I agree with Nev. There’s a good chance this deal could just scrape through, given all the bullying, threats and unsuitable alternatives.

    Although I have been strongly against a second referendum, perhaps it’s time to take it out of MPs hands, and let the now better informed public vote again. Given the surprise result of the 1st referendum, it’s clear that any external interests cannot usurp the authority of the people, in the same way they seem to be manipulating parliament.

    The ultimate prize is still a no deal Brexit, simply because it can be made to work, and the EU is so afraid of it.

    re no deal Brexit, the EU has started some preparations for that,
    they are meagre though,

    regarding UK citizens living/working in EU the Commission will encourage member states to
    reciprocate whatever UK offer their citizens in UK- ie no coordinated EU action
    up to individual member states to address this if they fancy


    they are prepared to make some short term hacks that will allow UK aircrafts to fly in EEA air space and land in EEA
    and to make it possible to use UK airports for flights into EEA air space and to land in EEA

    not much more

    measures are designed to last until end of 2019, and can be withdraw unilaterally by EU at any time


    a no deal Brexit could offer some challenges

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    and now for more good news for on the Brexit front

    Brexit: EU reveals no-deal plans
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46617152

    The European Commission says it has started to implement its preparations for a no-deal Brexit - in case the UK crashes out of the EU without a plan.

    It has announced temporary measures to try to reduce the impact, but said it cannot counter all the problems it expects.

    As PM Theresa May's proposed exit plan flounders in parliament, both sides are preparing for the worst-case situation.

    The UK has allocated £2bn ($2.5bn) in funding to government departments.

    The European Commission's measures are designed to limit disruption in certain key areas, such as finance and transport, if Brexit goes ahead in March without a deal.

    "These measures will not - and cannot - mitigate the overall impact of a 'no-deal' scenario," it said in a statement.
    Actually, that does read pretty well compared to the scaremongering about a no-deal Brexit and May's offering.

    This supports the consistent claims by Leave that it is not in the EU's interests to force ideology ahead of pragmatism. The EU no-deal plans have plenty of reasonable areas, and are a far better starting point than May's plan. Come, March, it's time to leave with these (mostly) sensible provisions in place then start the real dealing - both with the EU and the rest of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Please note how practical and honest the Germans are being in advance of a no deal Brexit.
    The Germans have certainly produced some documents and have or will pass laws. The Tories, nothing. They have had ample time. All former and current cabinet ministers need to be stripped of all rights, privileges and future payments from UK sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Actually, that does read pretty well compared to the scaremongering about a no-deal Brexit and May's offering.

    This supports the consistent claims by Leave that it is not in the EU's interests to force ideology ahead of pragmatism. The EU no-deal plans have plenty of reasonable areas, and are a far better starting point than May's plan. Come, March, it's time to leave with these (mostly) sensible provisions in place then start the real dealing - both with the EU and the rest of the world.
    Thank you. It’s what I have reiterated in the last 10 pages or so. It is in both sides interest to be pragmatic and realistic. The Eutopians will still bitch and moan of course. Reciprocity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Wouldn't take seekingalzheimers too seriously. It is hard for a chap who hasn't worked in the real world of commerce. He understandably has an anxiety attack at the mere thought of taking responsibility, lateral thinking, or actually achieving something other than maintaining the status quo. Ex civil servants tend to become totally debilitated at the mere thought of anything more challenging than mediocrity.
    Unfortunately this makes him about as perspicacious as a...well... civil servant.
    Yep, you are right. Should have spent time in the private sector in the banking profession. They certainly knew what they were doing in that "real world of commerce", for sure.

    Sometimes it seems folk like you were actually born with your head up your arse you are that fucking dumb.

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    Another great PMQs session

    PMQs: Does Corbyn call May a 'stupid woman'?
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-polit...a-stupid-woman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Another great PMQs session

    PMQs: Does Corbyn call May a 'stupid woman'?
    Nah, the Tories are hoping to sweep under the carpet the fact they have scrapped all targets relating to reducing immigration numbers.

    Nearly every Tory interviewed by UK media today side stepped the real questions to point the finger at Corbyn.

    Brexiteers are so stupid they won't notice what happened...

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    Corbyn is a poor tactician. He has done himself great harm by failing to take decisive action in the matter of anti-semitism when it could have been disposed of easily. Now, all he needed to do was to make an apology to move on but, instead, he has decided to lie. Nobody who sees him speak can deny that he said "stupid woman" so why has he made big trouble for himself by denying this.

    I hate the guy and his politics and wish him every conceivable ill but even in my wildest dreams did I think that he was so inept as to do something as silly as this. He had little credibility before but now he has none.

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    rofl, see what I mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    rofl, see what I mean?
    My reply at 4491 was restricted to the foolish behaviour of Jeremy Corbyn and I made no reference to immigration numbers. I don't think the electorate of the UK is quite as stupid as you seem to think. I take your point about the Conservative party being given the opportunity of brushing the matter under the carpet, however Corbyn is incredibility inept by allowing them the opportunity of doing so. He has been keeping quiet over the last few months. It is now painfully clear now that he has kept quiet because whenever he opens his mouth he really does put his foot in it

    Sky News is on as I write this and they say that Corbyn has not told the truth. Nobody is talking about Brexit or immigration figures, all are talking about Corbyn.

    So, we agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    Nah, the Tories are hoping to sweep under the carpet the fact they have scrapped all targets relating to reducing immigration numbers.

    Nearly every Tory interviewed by UK media today side stepped the real questions to point the finger at Corbyn.

    Brexiteers are so stupid they won't notice what happened...
    Brexiteers want a clean Brexit, we celebrate every delay that might up us get our wish. Although the spineless mps when presented with the choice of Doris deal or a clean Brexit will cave in and Doris disastrous deal will be what we end up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Yep, you are right. Should have spent time in the private sector in the banking profession. They certainly knew what they were doing in that "real world of commerce", for sure.

    Sometimes it seems folk like you were actually born with your head up your arse you are that fucking dumb.
    Poor old seekingalzheimers still that abusive little chihuahua yapping at the heels of his intelectual superiors (which is pretty much everyone really). This small minded bedwetter who obviously struggles with reality let alone economics should take one of his anxiety pills and breath into a brown paper bag.
    Dont worry old chap, just curl up in your preferred fetal position in your little shed in Pattaya and suck your thumb while the real men, not sniveling little sycophantic EU bedwetters like you, sort it out. Bye the bye, you are rather a poisonous little fellow aren't you. Just an observation. TTFN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    gee, took you that long to figure it out

    bet the Lithuanian nurse came around and changed your diaper,
    lol. I am not the one who has changed direction here. If you are now agreeing with the consistency of my statements, it would seem that you are the one having an epiphany, not me.
    You stupid Eutopian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Actually, that does read pretty well compared to the scaremongering about a no-deal Brexit and May's offering.

    This supports the consistent claims by Leave that it is not in the EU's interests to force ideology ahead of pragmatism. The EU no-deal plans have plenty of reasonable areas, and are a far better starting point than May's plan. Come, March, it's time to leave with these (mostly) sensible provisions in place then start the real dealing - both with the EU and the rest of the world.
    Reads pretty well??

    It reads like a disaster mitigation plan in the making to me. A plan to stop many things from grinding to a complete halt. A plan that should be read as a grave warning and not something to be taken so lightly.

    A plan that will probably get the May deal through Parliament. A pointless deal of which all should be ashamed.

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    Corbyn's "Stupid woman" remark.

    What's your opinion on this?

    I think he made matters worse by denying it and stating he said: "Stupid people".

    In fact he said nothing on record. He shouldn't have to apologize for muttering under his breath. The Maybot was talking bollox at the time with her pantomime rant anyway.

    Silly bugger should be apologizing for not requesting a vote of no confidence on Dec 11.

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    Corbyn pwned by May.

    Pantomime season. How apt.




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    "Brexit: 'Horrified' firms warn time is running out"

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46610792

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