Did you see when BoJo went and told the Ukis not to make a deal with Putin ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
In accordence with the Keir Starmer filth
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Originally Posted by cyrille
Baaaaah
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Did you see when BoJo went and told the Ukis not to make a deal with Putin ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
In accordence with the Keir Starmer filth
They areQuote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
Baaaaah
Well, I see the usual procession of gibbering cox has followed my comment.
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I suspect sybille is worried that his plan to avoid paying for health insurance - flying back for NHS treatment if required - may be in peril.
Of course the fact that he'd be stuck in a queue behind all the Afghanis, Pakistanis, Syrians et al, and would probably die before he got it, clearly escapes him.
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Scrapping National Insurance or combining it with Income Tax is just another very silly Tory idea. One hopes the British public have learnt their lesson after the Brexit fiasco and will not fall for this stupidity.
It's not a particularly silly idea. The truth is there is no need for separate organisations managing separate taxes. Of course improving efficiency in this manner would cost thousands of jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
But obviously the Tories real reason for getting rid of it is ultimately just the usual right wing "tax cuts for the rich".
Something tells me they are going to try to implement some spiteful policies to annoy Labour before they give in. Just to make the next governments job even harder than it will be to correct all of the mistakes this useless lot have made..
If they really cared about the country then they would call a GE now.
Don't be silly, Starmer will fuck it up as well, just in a different way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe 90
They're all a bunch of c u n t s.
Going back several posts, kudos to the villagers that it turns out did send Boris packing!
At least he didn't say "Do you know who I am?"
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Boris Johnson has paid tribute to the villagers who Sky News revealed turned him away from a polling station when he tried to vote without a valid photo ID - under rules he introduced.
In the meantime the Office for Budget Responsibility in its latest updated analysis confirms that Brexit will:
- reduce long run productivity by 4% relative to remaining in the EU,
- exports and imports will be reduced by 15% relative to the trade that would have prevailed had the UK remained in the EU,
- that the exploration of trade deals with new foreign markets will have no material impact and shall amount to no more than 0.1% increase in GDP over the next 15 years,
- and that net migration has not fallen as predicated by the Brexit charlatans but has increased from a previous assumption back in 2018 of 175,000 migrants per annum to the current 315,000 migrants entering the UK annually.
And yet, there are still morons who proclaim Brexit to have been worthwhile.
Truly, the English have superseded the Americans as leaders in the gormless idiocy stakes.
^ On the slippery slope to take the honours as...
...shitty people, shitty society, shitty country.
The OBR, 5555555 they managed to unpick covid, the impact of tge workshy younger generation, inflation, global proectionist policies, Lizfukin Truss and the impact of Treasury driven austerity. Yeah they are about as capable and reliable as Mystic Meg.
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The UK has struck a new 12-year deal with the EU.
Owhere near as good as when we were in the EU, but at least Labour recognises the necessities of trading with our closest neighbours.
Badenoch and Farage saying it's the end of the UK fishing industry...forgetting they killed it with Brexit
Apologies, double post
stoma has finally got his wish and been made to suck euro cock, and both he and the country will suffer the consequences.
we have signed up rules and regulations that will over time change, yet we will have no say in the changes.
he is re-opening the old wounds that divided the country and had almost healed.
there are certainly deals and concessions to be made that can benefit both sides, but this cowardly capitulation is not one of them. but as always, cowardly capitulation is the only deal the eu will agree to and stoma has fallen into the trap hook line and sinker.
the uk still cannot send illegal boat people back to france or anywhere else, we are still bound by the verdicts of the echr, and uk travellers still have to queue up at the non eu passport gates.
It looks to me that UK is getting more than they give:Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
UK and EU reach new deal including 12-year agreement letting EU boats access UK fishing waters
Government secures improved trading rights for food and agricultural products
Brits no longer have to queue for long periods at EU airports and ports
British firms to have access to a 150 billion euro (£125 billion) EU defence fund
Further talks taking place on youth mobility scheme
Fishing is a minor part of UK economy, what UK got must be worth much much more
^^ smelly breath from the oral janitor...��
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and yet another reasoned argument from troy.
Worth watching. For you also tax..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9LJdifVti8
Let's face it Tax, the majority of UK citizens realise that Brexit was a huge mistake and Starmer is trying to repair the damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
All those promises made by Farage, Boris et al were empty and did nothing but harm the UK. There was no better solution regardless of what Farage keeps saying.
Clearly the EU is relieved not to be ‘dealing’ with the likes of Boris Johnson, and who can blame them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Molle
Without doubt there was an unofficial ‘bojo tax’ because they had all correctly concluded that he and his ilk are totally untrustworthy.
Starmer’s EU reset triggers outbreak of Brexit derangement syndrome | John Crace | The Guardian
Euphoric recall, or more likely PTSD. It was like we were in a time warp. Back in the madness of the Brexit years. When otherwise sensible people lost all sense of reason. And when the mad became madder still. The days of betrayal and surrender. When our closest allies for the previous 70 years became our deadliest enemy. Time to stare them down. Britons never, never, never shall be slaves. We take no shit from anyone.
Keir Starmer’s EU reset went to the wire. Of course it did. Every negotiation with Brussels always does. It’s in the terms and conditions. There was no way the EU was going to give away something on agricultural standards without getting something on fishing in return. You don’t want to encourage other countries to believe they will get a better deal by leaving the EU. Even by the time of the final communique there were still plenty of loose ends. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. Remember that? Argh!
Still that didn’t stop some of the Brexit lunatics from voicing their opinions long before even an outline of a deal was announced. They already had their narrative. This was a surrender on an unforgivable scale. Daniel – unbelievably now Lord – Hannan was writing on X that Britain had become Europe’s very own gimp. Squeezed into a black leather jump suit with a ball in our mouth. Sometimes you wish Danny would keep his fantasies to himself.
Then there was David – unbelievably now Lord – Frost. What is it about Brexit that led to so many people who had objectively made British citizens less well off getting promoted to the upper chamber?
Frosty the No Man was desperately trying to rewrite history. Again. He has been doing that for more than five years now. Our very own Lady Macbeth trying to wash away the blood. Boris Johnson’s Brexit negotiator whose whole life is now devoted to trying to uncover the person who negotiated such a bad deal. He was trying to persuade himself that he had always known his fishing deal was rubbish but that the EU would cut him some slack now because they felt sorry for him. The man needs help.
It’s as if every Brexiter has had a memory wipe. Has no recollection of how deals are made. That the essence of any negotiation is give and take. That there need to be rules which both sides are obliged to follow. But this was also too much for Boris. He went mad on gimp masks too. God knows what you might find in his internet search history. Let’s hope Carrie hasn’t been keeping tabs on him. Here was how the world worked. Britain was at the top, telling every other country what to do. Anything else would be a total betrayal of our sovereignty.
Come late Monday morning, a deal of sorts had been negotiated and António Costa, the president of the European Council; Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, and Keir Starmer were ready to face the media at the Lancaster House press conference. Costa went first. Trying to put everyone to sleep. He has the air of someone who has grown used to the fact that he seldom says anything interesting. It’s how he got the job. Everything was marvellous, he mumbled. This was a new chapter.
Von der Leyen was slightly more animated. She was pleased the EU and the UK had reached solutions. We were entering a new era of post-Brexit relations. A security and defence partnership. A deal on energy, fish and food. The youth experience scheme. Downgraded from a youth mobility scheme. A sop to the Brits. On no account should anyone think the UK had backtracked on free movement. Better to think of overseas students living entirely in virtual reality.
Then came Keir. Flushed with success after his trade deals with India and the US. This was a triumph. No return to the single market or the customs union. But the next best thing. A reminder that British fishers sell more than 70% of their catch to the EU as we don’t like the ones they are selling. It was time to look forward to the future. To move on from the same stale old fights.
Though it was the past the British media wanted to interrogate. Hadn’t we surrendered to the EU? We had sold out our fishers. We had become a nation of rule-takers. Brexit derangement syndrome had gripped the broadcasters. Keir gently reminded everyone he was creating jobs, facilitating trade and growth.
Even after nine years, it was still too soon to say the obvious. That Britain had voted to make itself poorer. That Brexiters had radicalised themselves. No one had been insisting we leave the single market and the customs union during the referendum campaign. That had only become a truth some time later. So all Starmer was trying to do was to make the country just a little bit better off. You’d have thought from the reaction that this was a major schism.
GB News could barely contain itself. The Tories were threatening to undo all this, the reporter quavered. Er … How exactly? They aren’t about to win an election any time soon. If ever. As if to prove how unserious the Conservatives have become, Kemi Badenoch chose to call a press conference in a broom cupboard in the afternoon. Just to embarrass herself. The broadcasters could barely be bothered to cover it as the sound continued to cut out. We could have been underwater. Not waving but drowning.
Priti Patel went first. Luckily for her she was totally inaudible. She will appreciate this in later years. Then came Kemi, declaring that Starmer had broken her five golden rules. Rules that even her own MPs don’t know or care about. Rules that even the Victorians would have thought nuts. Most Brexit voters now think Brexit was a bad idea. They just want things to return to how they were without anyone reminding them that they had voted for it.
We ended with Victoria Atkins and the fish. Vicky had a pet hake who was determined to gasp out his manifesto. “I, Harry the Hake, do solemnly declare that I will live and die British. I would rather be left to rot on the jetty than be fed to some Frenchie or Kraut. God save the queen. Sorry, king.” It had been that kind of a day.
Starmer succumbs to the EU hook, line and sinker.
Brexit has been de-boned as we’ve returned to paying Brussels for the opportunity to follow its rules
19 May 2025 7:51pm BST
starmer has bent over yet again and been royally rogered by the eu, just as he was by trump, the indians and mauritius.Quote:
“Prime Minister,” asked Chris Hope at the EU/UK summit, “have you been stitched up like a kipper?” It’s worse than that, mon ami: the Eurocrats have put him in his plaice and he’s dancing to their tuna. Excuse the puns, but once you start, it’s hard to break the halibut.
Let historians note that Brexit was finally de-boned on Sunday night, when Europe’s top diplomats – or, as our Foreign Secretary allegedly calls them, “the f------ French” – took Starmer aside to say they’ve had second thoughts about his offer and would like our fishing industry, too.
I’m sure it took our very own Metternich about two minutes to fold. This is the trade deal whizz-kid who was meant to sell Chagos to a tiny African country and ended up paying them – plus he loves the EU and would gladly feed Captain Birdseye to the sharks if it got us back in.
So Keir Starmer, proud son of an EU protocol, looked very satisfied when he unveiled the agreement next day at Lancaster House – the beautiful decor symbolically hidden behind a temporary stage painted battleship grey. Ursula von der Leyen, standing next to him, was subtly dressed as an EU flag. She looked ready to plant herself in the ground and never leave.
This is Europe. This is our PM. Utilitarian, corporate, moving forward “at pace”. Bear in mind this deal was supposed to be a simple exchange: they get our fish in exchange for faster queues at border control.
Perfectly suited to Brits who fly to Ibiza more often than we eat sardines.
Yet the talk was of being good Europeans and of protecting the “rules-based order”, with visiting rights for noisy foreign students – why do they shout on trains? – pitched as the first step towards a more enlightened world. More summits predicted: climb every butter mountain.
Finding himself among like-minded bureaucrats, Sir Keir referred progressively to “fishermen and fisherwomen” – but not to “e-gates and she gates”, or to “fisher people”, even though many of them refuse to be defined by their tackle.
“Britain is back on the world stage,” he declared. Really? Where has it been? Perhaps doing repertory theatre in Outer Mongolia. The cost of his statesmanship – and we’re lucky he didn’t throw in the Elgin Marbles and Princess Anne to sweeten the deal – is that we’ve returned to paying the EU for the opportunity to follow its rules.
It’s like being a member of the EU minus the pleasures of moaning about being in the EU. In fact, it’s proven harder to get Britain out of Brussels than it was to get Gary Lineker out of the BBC, and, in both cases, one suspects the decision will soon be reversed.
Cab drivers must now be asking why they voted for Brexit at all. “Twelve years minus our fishing rights? You get less for murder.” (Though longer for joking about it on social media). The Eurocrats, by biding their time and waiting for a proper chump to enter No 10, have seen history move back in their favour.
Chris Hope was right. They’ve got us by the eel.
chagos, farmers, OAPs, the indoctrination and "doctoring" of school kids, energy prices, council tax hikes, hotels, translation services, a hundred undocumented "asylum" seekers a day, potholes, train ticket prices, £30 billion/pa on net zero, sharia courts, rotherham, two tier justice, lammy the fool, raynor the gobshite, miliband the lemming, reeves the thief.
and now this? we will be required to pay billions to to the eu to partake in this deal.
pay up, shut up -- and stick a fucking palestinian/rainbow flag on it.
or else.
A excellent and amusingly written article, which sums up Two Tier Kiers far left agenda in a nut shell.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
This is the sort of self destructive insanity that the loonatic left love.
I bet Cyrille would fall to his knees and gobble Starmers sausage given half a chance.
Glug, glug, glug Ciz:rolleyes:
read and fucking weep!
the uk has been comprehensively reamed, cleaned and steam cleaned by the uk hating starmer and the dictators of brussels.
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No leader for 300 years has done more to undermine our interests than Starmer
Europe’s leaders have long ignored their voters. Now Britain’s Prime Minister has caught that contagion
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For the first time in three centuries – since the Hanoverian kings made Britain serve German interests – we are ruled by a political and administrative elite that does not put this nation first.
Our other rulers, whether they were kings, aristocrats or parliamentarians, took it for granted that their duty was to Britain. They laboured long and hard for the country in which they had a stake.
But not today. Sir Keir Starmer’s “reset” is only the latest example of decisions made since 2005 that obey other priorities. The Net Zero utopia is the most dangerous. The Chagos Islands fiasco – now “on hold” – is the most incomprehensible. The “reset” with the European Union is merely the most predictable.
Michel Barnier predicted years ago that Starmer would lead Britain back into the EU.
I thought a democratic decision would be honoured in good faith. I hoped that lowered immigration would accelerate improvement in education and training for neglected British communities.
But the former Labour Europe minister Denis MacShane, saw more clearly: “It doesn’t matter how people vote,” he said smugly, “the Deep State won’t let it happen.” Sure enough, the Deep State – let’s call it the Blob, that indistinguishable mass of politicians, officials, and lobbyists– have won a victory.
I was doubly naïve. I thought that the British electorate could not simply be told to vote again and change their mind, as happened to the Irish and the Danes. Technically that has been true. But instead, our vote is simply ignored, like the French and Dutch votes in 2005. We are not being given the opportunity of a second referendum to rejoin the EU because that would require a proper campaign examining the pros and cons, and the BBC, for example, would be required to give a voice to all sides. In Greece and Italy, governments simply disobeyed their own voters and democracy was nullified. At least they had the excuse of being intimidated by brutal threats of financial destruction. What is Sir Keir Starmer’s excuse?
Can anyone suppose that his “reset” is the outcome of a dispassionate analysis of Britain’s needs, thrashed out in a hard-nosed negotiation with the EU? Or is it a desperate attempt to reach any deal to placate blinkered Remainers and allow Starmer to declare victory? It is the Chagos deal on a vast scale:
we give away things of huge value, and then pay the beneficiaries to accept them. How they laugh!
This reset floats on the ocean of misinformation with which the country has been inundated since 2016, and to which even some Leave voters have surrendered in despair. On one hand, propagandists declare that British trade has taken a huge “hit” from Brexit – a “hit” that can be found nowhere in the statistics. Goods exports have suffered not from Brexit, but from Whitehall’s own policies, which have deliberately slashed exports of oil, cars and chemicals in the name of net zero, and decimated some of our major export industries by the highest energy costs in the developed world.
On the other hand, the EU, economically stagnant, politically crippled and strategically impotent, is hailed as a miraculous cargo cult, which will shower down wealth from the skies and make us somehow more economically successful than any of its actual members. Can anyone follow the logic here?
The EU’s negotiators have ensured that what Starmer has presented as his gains are far outweighed by what we lose. As with EU research funds, we will doubtless pay in more than we get out. Does anyone think that the strategic defence fund will be different? Will the EU fund frigates and submarines we need for our defence rather than tanks made in France and Germany? How many rich European kids will be subsidised by British taxpayers to take coveted university places? How much of a regulatory burden will be placed on our struggling economy for decades to come without any choice by us?
But don’t worry: we might be able to use e-gates when we go on holiday, and rock stars will roam the Continent unhindered. The frivolity of this whole exercise is utterly depressing. Have we as a country ceased to be able to think seriously and make proper decisions on matters of historic importance? Are we now incapable of distinguishing sense from nonsense?
The Labour Party once contained people like Attlee, Bevin, Gaitskill, Barbara Castle and not least Peter Shore. Listen to Shore’s 1975 speech at the Oxford Union on You Tube: he spoke with wit, certainly, but also with a seriousness of mind now extinct in Labour ranks.
This “reset” is depressing enough for its superficiality. But it is not just about trivial gains and losses. Above all it displays careless indifference to fundamental British values. The greatest of these is the belief that the people, finally, decide. This has been a golden thread in our history: Magna Carta; the Glorious Revolution; the Great Reform Bill; the People’s Budget; Women’s Suffrage.
Part of this is myth, critics might say, but it is a healthy myth, an aspiration to democracy and a warning to politicians that they are not the masters. But this week the people did not decide. Who did? Keir Starmer. He is counting not on popular consent but on popular apathy.
In short, the significance of the “reset” goes far beyond its details, many of which will be trivial. It is significant as one sign – not the only one, alas – that our fundamental political values are despised. So I return to my opening thought. They are being despised by a governing Blob that no longer cares much about its country. “Lives there a man with soul so dead?” asked Robert Burns. Yes, all too many. They are a post-national, globalised, post-democratic (that follows inevitably) elite happiest behind closed doors. The EU is their Eden.
The Opposition must not only say that it will reverse every concession that damages the national interest, as Kemi Badenoch and Nigel Farage have rightly done. I am sure they both mean it: it is Farage’s raison d’etre and Badenoch was often the only Tory minister trying to make Brexit work. But words are cheap. Badenoch is a planner, and she must explain in detail exactly how to extract us from this sorry mess and reassert popular sovereignty.
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Originally Posted by Joe 90
From the forum's most notorious pi55head?
'A excellent and amusingly written article'?
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You must be exhausted.
^^ My word, what utter codswallop!
Dual minarchy of the Hanovarians not subservient Britain...and Germany didn't even exist 300 years ago.
Brexit was an utter failure and the sooner the UK understands tgat the better.