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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Well, at least he's not spluttering idiotic nonsense.
    love this thread

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    The constancy of my theme simply reflects the inescapable fact that the nature of the Brexit catastrophe has not altered since that fateful day in 2016.

    The knuckle draggers of the forum of course cannot comprehend that.

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    As a non Englishman its future is still relevant.
    Yes the trade changes seem not to have produced the Brexit promises, but to early to know the full picture due to the Covid hiatus.

    It is however the 6th largest world economy.
    With professional services in military, finance, entertainment of world class and of course a global fleet with nuclear capability shared by few.

    It is impossible to know if it would have been better in or out but the ageing population in the EU the Ukraine war and no single fiscal discipline means the EU also has large problems and would prefer UK to share the burden and not have France as the sole nuclear army in any future European army.

    The beneficiaries of a disunited Western Europe are Putin Xi and the likes of Nigel Farage Aaron Banks and Robert Mercer who helped bankroll the Brexit campaign.

    As sausages points out the main parties in England are afraid to even discuss closer cooperation it is as toxic as Prince Randy or Trans nomenclature in being a subject they flee like the plague.

    It is of course grist to the mill to Irish and Scottish Nationalists in poorer places who point to EU benefits, subsidies and freedom to emigrate to EU for temporary or permanent work.

    UK now has a similar GDP per head similar to Andorra behind France , Hong Kong Ireland and San Marino!!

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    I just want the chance to use a bigger porridge bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    sesquipedalian Jacob Rees Mogg
    Erm: pot, kettle.

    Aside from which it is a great word. I see your sesquipedalian and raise you a hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia.

    And a Happy New Year SA.

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    But in the end, in our capitalist world the only true indicator of the strength of a nation’s economy is its currency in relation to the US dollar, the global bench mark impervious to doctrinal influences and nationalistic bumfluffery.
    Today, after nigh on seven years since the Brexit vote and after three years of excluding our economy from unfettered trade with its nearest neighbours, the £ Sterling is now valued at $1.20, a full 30 cents below its average value over the past 30 or so years.
    And never mind the Brexiteer’s weasel worded excuses hung on the hooks of COVID and Ukraine, these are factors that affect all nations, Britain is the worst performer in the G20, bar one, and that is simply because Brexit has undermined 13% of Britain’s GDP.

    And the £ continues its fall as stagflation seeps ever deeper into the nation’s economy.

    Brexit is a poison, it’s administration was self inflicted by a coterie of charlatan, tenth rate politicians duping a credulous and extraordinarily stupid public.

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    Shutree, my usage is apposite.

    And a Happy NY to you too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    love this thread
    Because it shows how much of an utter idiot you are? I guess self-flagellation is a good thing for you when you're drunk.




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    Britain is truly fucked
    Probably already stated on page 1 of this thread, with only the diehard cretins not acceptingb it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Because it shows how much of an utter idiot you are? I guess self-flagellation is a good thing for you when you're drunk.
    yep no new records just the same obsessions, Kraut nutter

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    No new records?

    Manufacturing at its lowest for over two years whereas all other G20 countries are rebounding nicely from COVID.

    Brexit strikes again…….

    Sterling bumbling along on its track at its worst prolonged value for over 35 years.

    Brexit, Brexit…..

    Recession in UK forecasted to be the worst in the G7.

    Brexit, Brexit……..

    Food price inflation at its highest in 45 years.

    Brexit, Brexit…….

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    yep no new records
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    No new records?
    Leave the drunkard be, he's busy making up shit about MI5/6 flying him around on night time helicopter trips . . 80-plus by now. Next week it'll be 100. The fortune that costs the taxpayer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Manufacturing at its lowest for over two years whereas all other G20 countries are rebounding nicely from COVID.

    Brexit strikes again…….

    Sterling bumbling along on its track at its worst prolonged value for over 35 years.

    Brexit, Brexit…..

    Recession in UK forecasted to be the worst in the G7.

    Brexit, Brexit……..

    Food price inflation at its highest in 45 years.

    Brexit, Brexit…….
    At this stage I doubt that idiots like Malmo/Toot/strglishit even comprehend the damage Brexit has caused, some irreparable, as long as they can live in their fantasy world where Britannia rules the waves and some equally dim bulb like Boris or Farage leads them around like lemmings

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    ^ and off he goes again - fukin nuts

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    Yea, you're the delusional apologist for Bj and Brexit and I'm the nutter . . . maybe if you stayed sober long enough to see what's going on around you instead of making shit up about being MI5/6/SAS and having 80+ heli missions you'd just want to get drunk again and stay that way . . . like you are now.

    Keep it up, moron . . . . . . you'll have to sober up some day and realise what a clusterfu@k Brexit is

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    It's funny listening to SA bleating about how bad the UK is considering he can't go there anyway because he's stuck in some shithole in Pattaya.


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    Akin to several million other senior citizens living abroad and reliant on £ sterling denominated incomes, I most certainly have a view on the British economy.

    But ‘Arry, you are a knuckle dragging lout who clearly is of the opinion only residence in a country can qualify one to articulate a view about that country.

    Still amusing though that you actually think anywhere in Thailand can be superior to somewhere else here.

    You really are quite thick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    keep it up, moron . . . . . . you'll have to sober up some day and realise what a clusterfu@k Brexit is
    moron, 555. i'm not the one who's glittering career in international business with multinational companies is reduced to "teaching little yellow fella soft skills" in the arse end of nowhere



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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    making shit up about being MI5/6/SAS and having 80+ heli missions
    the loon is making up fantasies about me in variously the SAS, MI5 and MI6 - post up where i said i was in these, except you can't coz you're liar and fantasist.

    as for the heli flights, they were largely work related hops to and from a base to place of work but in your twisted little Kraut universe they have now become "missions" - you need to see a fukin doctor

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It's funny listening to SA bleating about how bad the UK is considering he can't go there anyway because he's stuck in some shithole in Pattaya.

    Aren't you a Chiang Mai rat? I've never really understood the appeal of going way tf up there

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    There is none.

    You should steer well clear.

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    ...yeah, steer clear of N and NE. You'd hate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
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    Britain had coal etc much like you canuks but that is in the past, we also have ethnic unrest like you in Quebec but we've finished with coal and raping the environment and soon the Scots and Oirish will go the same way - welcome to the 20th century fukers

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    Myopic Rejoiners can’t admit the EU is still a failing, unreformable basket case


    Returning to Brussels’ orbit isn’t the cure for ‘the British disease’. We may be useless but they are worse

    ALLISTER HEATH

    1 February 2023 • 9:00pm

    Allister Heath

    I’m sorry to disappoint the over-excited EU revivalists on Twitter but Britain won’t be rejoining Brussels any time soon. Brexit hasn’t delivered anything like enough of a change yet, but that won’t be sufficient to reverse the great revolution of 2016.

    There was one fundamental reason why the British establishment sought to join the Common Market in the 1960s. We were the sick man of Europe: our GDP per capita had grown much less quickly than that of the then EEC’s core members since the end of the Second World War. There was a sense that Britain was out of date, that the Westminster system of government and Common Law were obsolete, that Europe was modern, shiny, culinarily and culturally superior. European integration seemed inevitable, the end point of the Continent’s bloody history, the cure to “the British disease”. Our ruling class was craving a post-imperial outlet for its own technocratic dreams, and felt that it would shine in Brussels.

    It was a disastrously wrong call. By the time we actually joined in 1973, the period of European outperformance had already ended. Europe’s “30 glory years”, as the French call it, were over, and la crise had begun with the oil shock. Germany’s Wirtschaftswunder was petering out and Italy’s last growth spurt – the misleading Il sorpasso of 1987, when it supposedly overtook Britain before sliding back again – was a false dawn.

    Britain’s economic renaissance from 1979, our radical opening up to the world in terms of culture, trade and migration, combined with the progressive scleroticisation of Europe, had turned the tables: the UK was shooting ahead of the Continent for the first time since the 19th century. This paradigm shift took years to sink into a British psyche conditioned to believe that the grass must always be greener elsewhere, as per the Gastarbeiter brickies of Auf Wiedersehen, Pet.

    Eventually, however, Europe’s slide down the league tables, the eurozone’s near-implosion, the brutal put-down of Greece and the migrant crises shifted popular perceptions. The public realised the Continental lifestyle was no longer superior to ours and this made Brexit possible: there were no great upsides from remaining, so the voters focused on the many downsides.

    Almost seven years on, there are again parallels with 1973. Britain is in decline once more, governed by a second-rate nomenklatura that can’t get anything done, refuses to reform and does not really believe that we either can or deserve to succeed. But the situation is also very different to what it was 50 years ago: today, for all their lies, delusions and misrepresentations, Rejoiners cannot credibly claim that the EU is in any better condition than we are. It remains a declining, unreformable basket case; all of its institutional and cultural pathologies are just as bad as they were in 2016.

    We are useless but so are they; we are in a mess but their mess is even greater. Europe as a whole, not just Britain, is the sick man of the world. We may be strike-ridden but so is France, with its protests against pension reforms. Our politics may be broken but what about the far-Left and far-Right gains across Europe? Our crime rates may be out of control but try strolling through a Belgian banlieue at night.

    Or take the economy. We aren’t doing well but neither are they: rejoining an equally poorly performing Euro-technocracy won’t help us. Total UK growth since 2016 has been about the same as Germany’s (5.7 per cent), even though our hit from Covid was much larger, Julian Jessop, the economist, calculates; in 2022, real wages fell a lot more in Germany than in Britain. Our GDP grew faster than that of France, Italy and Germany last year. Since 2019, food prices are up 19.9 per cent in the UK but 21.1 per cent in the eurozone and 24.1 per cent across the whole of the EU bloc.

    If being part of the single market were the most important – nay, the only – answer to our lacklustre growth, as per the question-begging, “counterfactual” models constructed by Rejoiners, why are EU member states not growing any faster than us? Why was our economic performance so poor after the financial crisis of 2008, even though we were in the EU and the recipient of record numbers of European migrants? The single market is at best marginal and at worst useless or a net negative. Domestic tax, monetary, capital and regulatory policies are what truly matter.

    As it happens, leaving the EU has, so far, probably had a small net economic cost as a result of the punitive, illiberal protectionist policies introduced by the EU (under the pretence of “protecting the single market”). However, this could easily become a net economic gain with the right domestic reforms.

    The EU, meanwhile, remains committed to the same rigid integrationist, post-democratic ideology that locks it into endless cycles of failure, with no mechanism to solve problems. The euro is still a one-size-fits-all construct. The European Commission’s incompetence and nastiness was exposed during Covid when it tried to seize supplies of vaccines and even blockade Britain. Regardless of the legalities, we wouldn’t have run our own vaccine programme had we still been EU members, and many more Britons would have died.

    Contrary to Guy Verhofstadt’s witterings, Europe’s disastrous foreign policy was laid bare by the Ukraine war. It has showcased how an independent Britain, psychologically unencumbered by EU membership, can shine. Meanwhile, Germany’s energy, military and trade strategy towards Moscow and Beijing lies exposed as catastrophically misguided and threatens its future as an industrial power. And Brussels remains a cesspit – the latest scandal in the European Parliament concerns claims of corruption and vote-selling.

    Imagine a new referendum and all of this being scrutinised once again. There would be no majority for rejoining, especially if an improved Northern Irish deal shows that we can have a relationship with the EU that isn’t either surrender or hostility. Brexit also reduces the chance of Scottish independence.

    Why would we suddenly start to hand over billions to the EU again, or allow our laws to be written by others, or have hostile bureaucrats take crucial decisions on our behalf in the early hours, after endless humiliating talks? And, crucially, we would have to pay a steep price to rejoin that would probably mean adopting the euro.

    Non, je ne regrette rien, and neither should you.






    © Telegraph Media Group Limited 2023
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Myopic Rejoiners can’t admit the EU is still a failing, unreformable basket case
    Because they're right - why admit something that isn't factual? Because they're not Brexiteer halfwits, of course . . .

    The UK recession will be almost as deep as that of Russia, economists predict
    The UK recession will be almost as deep as that of Russia, economists predict



    How Britain’s economic woes stack up against Europe’s – a close look at the figures




    How Britain’s economic woes stack up against Europe’s – a close look at the figures | Economics | The Guardian



    Goldman No Longer Sees Euro-Area Recession as It Lifts Outlook
    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?


    UK expected to be only major economy to shrink in 2023 - IMF
    UK expected to be only major economy to shrink in 2023 - IMF - BBC News


    Britain grinds to a halt as half a million workers go on strike
    Britain Grinds To A Halt As Half A Million Workers Go On Strike - WorldNewsEra


    etc ad infinitum

    How you can even jokingly think that the EU is a "failing, unreformable basket case" when the UK is a failing, unreformable basket case, as seen daily in the news and economic and social facts.
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    Alistair Heath is actually insane. But then, since the sacking of Tony Gallagher, perhaps one of Fleet Street’s finest editors, the Telegraph has become a parody of itself and is little more than the Daily Mail with a top hat, certainly in its readership there is little to distinguish the demographic of each - addled, quite a bit stupid, Blimpish, hidebound, jingoistic, bigoted and xenophobic.

    The UK, as quoted by Bloomberg in its Feb. 2023 analysis of the economy, is losing over £100 billions annually in trade losses arising from Brexit.

    It is a catastrophe and explains why the £ sterling is mired in its doldrums of devaluation, now a mere $1.21.

    The UK is yet again the poor man of Europe with its strikes, low productivity, low wages, dreadful public transportation, filthy polluted rivers and sewage drenched beaches, crippled health system where people die waiting for an ambulance, die in hospital corridors, where care homes are closing everywhere because staff are unavailable, where public roads everywhere are scarcely of emerging country standard, etc., etc., etc..

    France, Germany, Scandinavia, et al are streets ahead in infrastructure, social integration and health.

    Brokendownbrexitbritain is fucked Tax and no amount of vacuous rhetoric dribbled out of the arse of Telegraph hacks is going to alter the fact.

    Christ, Finland is practically Elysian compared to England.

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    Alistair Heath is actually insane
    So along with your City and Guilds in Advanced Penpushing I see you have now qualified as a doctor with psychiatry being your specialty. Well done you silly old fucker.

    explains why the £ sterling is mired in its doldrums of devaluation, now a mere $1.21.
    It would be more than useful if you could also explain why your endless predictions of parity with the Euro, the Dollar and the Congolese Cockwomble have failed to come about.

    France, Germany, Scandinavia, et al are streets ahead in infrastructure, social integration and health.
    France is strikebound, short of energy and three Frenchmen in my condo have come to Thailand for medical treatment because of long waiting lists back home.

    Social integration in Sweden, and France, is non existent with Sweden especially suffering from a wave of immigrant gang wars, knifings, shootings, rapes and no go areas.

    Germany has labour shortages and is plagued by a debilitating rise in ridiculous green wokery.

    The EU is just as fucked as the UK at the moment, but the UK could extract itself from the mire it finds itself in if the gov. could man up, show some bravery and finally, after 5 years take advantage of its independence. I live in hope.

    The EU is however terminally hamstrung by the wonks in Brussels and the selfishness shown by its individual members.

    Its a long game, a lot longer than I anticipated thanks to Covid, Putin and to a lesser extent the dementia afflcted corpse in the White House, but a long game nevertheless.

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