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    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    Actually, the UK seems to be doing rather well at the moment
    How can anyone think that the UK is "doing rather well" when Covid has caused the biggest recession for years?

    I guess it's all relative and anything better than a complete catastrophe following the double whammies of Brexit & Covid is considered doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    How can anyone think that the UK is "doing rather well" when Covid has caused the biggest recession for years?

    I guess it's all relative and anything better than a complete catastrophe following the double whammies of Brexit & Covid is considered doing well.
    I agree that it's relative, however, the scale and extent of the return to growth is beyond most expectations and better than the majority of countries. The whining stories of being unable to obtain such essentials as Scandinavian style house socks from the EU etc have dried up. Nearly all of the issues surrounding exports and necessary paperwork have been resolved, this due in the main to just familiarisation, getting on with it and accepting change. We are now in the fifth month since the end of the transition period, miles long tailbacks to Dover do not appear to have occured, and whilst some EU citizens have returned to their home countries this appears in the main to be driven by a wish to be with family during the pandemic.

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    The problem remainers have is not being able to see any other alternate realities, life goes on. The period Brexit covers, indeed the period the UK was in the EU is but a blip in time.

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    ^^ Have the first quarter figures been published yet? I haven't seen anything beyond February. Paperwork on exports to the EU appears to be the main problem rather than paperwork on imports.

    There was a report mentioning around 1.3m migrants leaving the UK last year. I don't see the corresponding numbers leaving France, Germany or Italy so I imagine it has something a little more than Covid as the main factor for this exodus. I doubt they will be returning once Covid falls off the horizon.


    ^ Of course life goes on but for many it is a lot more stressful than it needed to be.

    I still haven't heard of any useful benefits from Brexit.

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    The Brexit/Tory crony sleaze bags are trumpeting a boom but in truth what these arseholes are saying is that the money not spent on personal expenditure for the past 15 months will be spunked out in the next 12 months together with the expected annual spend one usually sees. This is the so-called boom not seen " since 1948 ".

    The English have become quite enamoured of stupidity as a doctrine and of course will believe what the Clown Bozo tells them.

    There have been no global deals struck by Bozo that will offer market access that was not already available to the UK before Brexit.

    The UK imposed bureaucracy continues to thwart SMEs and markets will continue to be lost to traders, closing down commerce that flourished before Brexit.

    The UK's debt is now the greatest since 1945 and taxes will rise imminently. Inflation is set to return and once the post-Covid orgasm of consumerism has shot its wad and government spending is cut dramatically then the misery will return but the worst impact will befall the northern Brexit trash who actually believed the shite that austerity and the post 2008 crash was the fault of the EU membership.

    NI is not a problem of the EU's making but its future is a direct consequence of the English dismissing the importance of the GFA.

    Bozo stabbed the Unionists in the back and reneging on the WA is not a solution. The barricades and fires will return.

    The Jersey fishery industry, and indeed the British sector, was fucked by Bozo and their unilateral attempts to finagle an advantage have backfired. Whatever happens, the Jersey fishermen will have to suck French cock and learn to swallow what comes.

    Britain has turned the clock back but the past is not a future. The Brexit dross have yet to learn that lesson but in this new age of The Stupid one can expect more howls of anguish as they pay for Bozo's fantasies.

    Incidentally, the EU has now caught up pretty much with the Brits in the vaccine spunkfest but Bozo looks like keeping the prize for killing more of his own citizens.

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    Boris Johnson is one of the greatest statesmen the UK has ever had.
    He was thrown straight in at the deep end and has performed his civic duties admirably.
    Tbf I don't see the problem with the tax payer paying for his accommodation refurbishment, he is the Pm afterall and it's not as if it's his property.
    The property belongs to the state and must be kept nice so no issue.
    By sending the Royal Navy to Jersey he has shown his strength of character and given the Froggies a well deserved kick up the arse.
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    No wonder that you support a football team owned by an arab dictatorship

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    The problem remainers have is not being able to see any other alternate realities, life goes on.
    yes and here is a prime example below, whisper it but the bloke crowing here bought a flat with pool access but can't sell it or access the pool. His last name is Corbyn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The English have become quite enamoured of stupidity as a doctrine and of course will believe what the Clown Bozo tells them.

    There have been no global deals struck by Bozo that will offer market access that was not already available to the UK before Brexit.

    The UK imposed bureaucracy continues to thwart SMEs and markets will continue to be lost to traders, closing down commerce that flourished before Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    The problem remainers have is not being able to see any other alternate realities, life goes on. The period Brexit covers, indeed the period the UK was in the EU is but a blip in time.
    The sun rises tomorrow, but still the reality is, that it could cost you

    Could

    Why don't you admit to this possibly outcome ?

    Semi-independency might come at a price

    Still...you did the right thing

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    ^ Helge we knew it would cost, Remainers keep pointing that out, life goes on just like it has before.

    If you are worried about the UK and its people then look to yourselves in the EU, I couldn't give a fuk about most on the people you share a continent with, but it you get yourselves in strife again i am sure we'll try to help you.

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    Where is sleepy Simple and Sausages with their comment on Labour's performance under the Lawyer who was going to make the Tories .... you know just thinking about them makes me switch off

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    Where is sleepy Simple and Sausages
    Living in the halcyon days of the Seventies, Labour, rubbish piled high in the street and the 3 day week

    Out of touch Numpties

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Still...you did the right thing
    oh you are one of those Danes
    still not that many

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^^ Have the first quarter figures been published yet? I haven't seen anything beyond February. Paperwork on exports to the EU appears to be the main problem rather than paperwork on imports.

    There was a report mentioning around 1.3m migrants leaving the UK last year. I don't see the corresponding numbers leaving France, Germany or Italy so I imagine it has something a little more than Covid as the main factor for this exodus. I doubt they will be returning once Covid falls off the horizon.


    ^ Of course life goes on but for many it is a lot more stressful than it needed to be.

    I still haven't heard of any useful benefits from Brexit.
    Re the numbers of EU citizens remaining in the UK, nearly 5 million have applied for indefinite leave to remain, with applications still open until June this year. Certainly the UK has made the transition from automatic right to actually apply far more easy and simpler than their EU counterparts. From recollection previously, there was only an estimated 3.7 million EU citizens in the UK post referendum, yet nearly 5 million have applied to remain, so taking into account those that have since left or haven't applied yet, that could mean the actual total was closer to 6 million.

    About 4.9 Million EU Nationals Have Applied for UK Settlement Scheme - SchengenVisaInfo.com

    Meanwhile back at the ranch, the EU is heading into more internal strife this coming week:

    European Union squabbles over meeting designed to heal its rifts | World | The Times

    European Union squabbles over meeting designed to heal its rifts


    Scarred by Brexit and spooked by populism, European Union leaders are launching a huge public consultation in all 27 member states to ask what they want from Brussels.

    The question “What kind of Europe do you want to live in?” will be posed today by EU leaders meeting in Portugal, and tomorrow, Europe Day, at the European parliament’s Strasbourg seat with flags, fanfare and orchestras playing the Ode to Joy.

    Beneath the theatrics is a battle over the bloc’s future. Presiding over the ceremony is President Macron, who has pushed for a “future of Europe” project.

    A key question is whether the EU can reform without triggering referendums. Some leaders want to rule out losing another member.

    Many European countries have constitutional conventions that can require referendums when new EU treaties centralise powers further in Brussels or face populist opposition movements.


    A text circulated by 12 countries asks for commitments “safeguarding the inter-institutional balance, including the division of competencies” — Brussels jargon for ruling out new EU powers.

    “It should not create legal obligations, nor should it duplicate or unduly interfere with the established legislative processes,” the diplomatic note, seen by The Times, said.
    Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Macron have not ruled out treaty change but neither wants to risk a divisive constitutional debate or EU referendums.

    French and Dutch rejection of Europe’s constitution in 2005, the delay of the Lisbon Treaty because of a failed Irish vote and Brexit all illustrate the political dangers.

    Guy Verhofstadt, a former Belgian prime minister, is the standard bearer for a United States of Europe and MEPs who want the option of treaty change.

    “I doubt that there is real prospect for an agreement before the inaugural event,” he wrote in a leaked email to other MEPs, the Politico website said.
    MEPs are angry because Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, is reneging on her pledge to scrap national vetoes over EU sanctions policy.

    Her proposal to introduce majority voting on a key foreign policy would almost certainly trigger a referendum in Ireland and calls for one in Denmark and the Netherlands.

    So intense is the in-fighting between von der Leyen and MEPs that Verhofstadt has threatened to organise a boycott of tomorrow’s launch, humiliating Macron.
    The row is in danger of symbolising a loss of the EU’s sense of mission after one of the longest periods without treaty change in its history.











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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post
    Living in the halcyon days of the Seventies, Labour, rubbish piled high in the street and the 3 day week
    Your trolling is almost as laughable as your attempts to be taken seriously.

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    Not directly Brexit related again, but I had to smile at this comment from a disaffected Labour supporter during the Hartlepool Byelection. Pointed to a pub behind where he was standing, he said "There's beer mats in there with more personality than Starmer!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    oh you are one of those Danes
    still not that many
    Yes I am and please define many

    We did vote no for the Euro and for Maastrict.

    Are you swedes allowed referendrums ?

    Thought not

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Are you swedes allowed referendrums ?
    Sure, we had one in 1994 about joining the EU (Yes) and we had one in 2003 about membership of the monetary union (No).
    There is a pending referendum about joining the ERM which currently is what keeps us out of the monetary union (the Eurozone), it may look as if we are not allowed to hold referendums but the truth is that we are not in a hurry holding that one.
    Postponed with strong emphasis on post..
    The banana is big, but its skin is even bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post
    Living in the halcyon days of the Seventies, Labour, rubbish piled high in the street and the 3 day week

    Out of touch Numpties
    indeed.

    at least labour will now have more time on their hands to discuss the important issues which really matter to the british public, like solidarity with palestine and venezuela, taking the knee, the prosecution of 70 year old ex serviceman, more love for the ira and sympathy for criminals, which statues to throw into the thames, britains terrible colonial past and of course re-joining the eu before telling the electorate day in, day out via the bbc and sky news that we are bad, racist, not diverse enough, too white, too fluent in english, have the wrong accent, and that we are all suffering from some kind of tory imposed mental health issues.

    fuck the woke left and how great it is to see them getting another kicking.

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    The truth of the matter is that the post-war political paradigm has been smashed by Brexit and, as in the case of Trump who hijacked the old Republican party by appealing to the redneck, Bozo has reformed the Conservative Party into a Brexit Party that has broad appeal among the stupid, the deluded, the ill-informed, the ignorant and, above all, the bigoted whilst retaining the confidence of the corporate carpetbaggers and their shills.

    This broad appeal has included the typical northern Labour demographic who all voted to leave the EU because they fell for the snake oil bilge spouted by UKIP/ERG charlatans that all their imaginary ills and grievances arose out of the EU membership. But the greatest stroke of genius was tapping into the English racism by claiming austerity stemmed from immigration - all those coon Europeans were stealing welfare, jobs, education places, hospital beds and pay rises. And by sheer luck Bozo has ended up as the man for the moment and in promising to get Brexit done he has reaffirmed the earlier nonsense that Brexit will ensure riches for all including the northern lumpen masses.


    Labour are redundant now, as indeed is the old Conservative party that favoured paternal welfarism and equality of opportunity legislated through competence and merit.

    We are now it seems firmly within a one party state system created out of a cheap, jingoistic nationalism offering a doctrine of populism based on vacuous rhetoric whilst paving the way for unelected crony money grubbers to exploit at will.

    Still, who woudda thunk it, eh? A lazy, sociopathic narcissist with a penchant for pathological deceit misappropriates £120,000 of public money to procure the services of an illicit foreign whoopsie who's visa he facilitates becomes PM with a landslide majority. Says a lot for the English, don't it.

    Anyway, nflation is heralded and when it takes root and those taxes are levied on the credulous lumpen northern masses and those bogus 'global' markets are proved to be but a mirage, then we shall see how Bozo will cope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post

    Anyway, nflation is heralded and when it takes root and those taxes are levied on the credulous lumpen northern masses and those bogus 'global' markets are proved to be but a mirage, then we shall see how Bozo will cope.
    Looking forward to inflation heading to 2%+, as I guess most whose pensions are based on CPI, and a rise in interest rates won't do the pounds exchange rate any harm either. Har har.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Labour are redundant now, as indeed is the old Conservative party
    I don't agree with this.

    What we saw in Hartlepool was simply relief from people that they are now far less likely to die than they were a year ago. BoJo has basically played the role of pyromaniac fireman, and the credulous fools have bought it.

    Give it until the Autumn and even the lumpen oafs of the North East will have reached a very different verdict on the character of Johnson and Starmer, and on their performances over the eighteen month period from April 2020.
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    This broad appeal has included the typical northern Labour demographic who all voted to leave the EU because they fell for the snake oil bilge spouted by UKIP/ERG charlatans that all their imaginary ills and grievances arose out of the EU membership. But the greatest stroke of genius was tapping into the English racism by claiming austerity stemmed from immigration - all those coon Europeans were stealing welfare, jobs, education places, hospital beds and pay rises. And by sheer luck Bozo has ended up as the man for the moment and in promising to get Brexit done he has reaffirmed the earlier nonsense that Brexit will ensure riches for all including the northern lumpen masses.
    well you have just proved my point.

    so much time now to blather on about the hateful british and how stupid they are. nobody thought like that, apart from a few bnp goons whose importance was predictably leapt upon by the bbc, the labour party and student activists claiming that it was representative of vast swathes of the country.

    the majority of british people have no time for the woke nonsense peddled by labour and the media, they find it insulting.

    the uk will do just fine post brexit, pragmaticism by both the uk and the eu will over the next few months ensure that trade will be conducted smoothly although should the uk gain any competitive advantage over the hidebound slothlike machinations of the brussels behemoth, then of course they will throw their toys out of the pram.

    its a long game s.a. i will be proved right.

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    Indeed PAG, every cloud. But the forthcoming increase in income tax will diminish gains.

    The thing is, 49% of all Britain's manufacturing output, accounting for 9% of its GDP, was traded with the EU markets all of which are now subject to UK imposed bureaucratic barriers that have already diminished the commerce that flows from the SMEs, a sector that contributes more than 30% of UK's exports.

    Increased taxation, rising prices, reduced government expenditure plus stagflation is the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    I don't agree with this.

    What we saw in Hartlepool was simply relief from people that they are now far less likely to die than they were a year ago. BoJo has basically played the role of pyromaniac fireman, and the credulous fools have bought it.

    Give it until the Autumn and even the lumpen oafs of the North East will have reached a very different verdict on the character of Johnson and Starmer, and on their performances over the over the eighteen month period from April 2020.
    Disagree with that. I think the lead of the people of Hartlepool was more the dynamicism of the Conservative Tees Valley Mayor, Ben Houchen, who has just been returned with a whopping 73% majority, testament to his hard work and success in bringing investment and jobs into the area. The Conservatives have a plan for infrastructure investment, more construction and job creation, all under the umbrella of 'levelling up'. Labour has........err, oh yes, the usual bleatings about inequality and minority rights. The only areas where Labour are managing to retain seats are those with large ethnic minority (although they are the majority in a lot of cases) where Labour has traditionally been soft on immigration and law and order. That's why the conurbations such as Liverpool, Manchester, London etc remain Labour.

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