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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    There is not anything for mainland Europeans to learn from the English parliamentary system.
    You are right, they have demonstrated that through their meek acquiescence to the career politicians in Brussels who've been experimenting with their lives for the last 28 years.

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    Oh ha ha ha ha, what a bunch little Hitlers they are demonstrating themselves to be....again. I hope they do start throwing their toys around, so far its been enormous entertainment. We should have negotiated they take Scotland as part of the deal.

    EU warns UK faces tough action if it breaches Brexit trade deal as MEPs prepare to approve it

    The EU vowed the UK will face tough action if it breaches the Brexit trade deal, as MEPs finally prepared to approve the Christmas Eve agreement.


    Ursula von der Leyen said the deal has “real teeth”, with a binding dispute resolution mechanism which allowed for “unilateral remedial measures where necessary”.


    “Let me be clear. We do not want to have to use these tools, but we will not hesitate to use them if necessary,” the Commission president told the European Parliament.


    The warning came after The Independent reported that the EU has secured the right to shut off gas and electricity supplies if the UK tries to seize control of fish stocks in future.


    Brussels is also threatening to pull the plug on law enforcement cooperation – already severely weakened by Brexit – if the UK in future “denounces” the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).


    But Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, said the bloc had a “duty to listen and understand the feelings of the people” that led to the painful split.


    “This is a divorce. It is a warning, Brexit. It’s a failure of the European Union and we have to learn lessons from it,” he told MEPs, adding: “Why did 52% of the British vote against Europe?”


    The Parliament will ratify the trade and cooperation agreement (TCA) – despite threats to withhold agreement, because of legal action over the UK’s breach of the Northern Ireland Protocol.


    The UK Parliament quickly ratified the agreement – with just a few hours debate – before the year-long transition period ended on New Year’s Day.


    But the EU gave it only provisional application, amid other bust-ups over Covid-19 vaccine supplies and the UK’s refusal to give full diplomatic recognition to the EU in London.


    Some MEPs remain unhappy over ratification, the vice-president of the Greens saying “this deal is not good because Brexit is not good”.


    “The situation is also complicated because we cannot be sure how trustworthy the UK government really is” Terry Reintke warned, but he added: “Still, this agreement can be a starting point reconstructing what we lost due to Brexit.”


    But Ms von der Leyen also pointed to behind-the-scenes progress on resolving the Northern Ireland crisis, despite the UK unilaterally shelving promised Irish Sea checks.


    “In recent days and weeks, we have seen a new, constructive dynamic and we will continue to work closely with the UK to find constructive solutions that respect what was agreed,” she told MEPs.


    “The next step is to mutually agree on compliance paths, with concrete deadlines and milestones.”


    The Brussels Parliament will vote on Tuesday evening to give consent to ratification, but the result will not be announced until Wednesday morning.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-eu-ratify-b1838180.html

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    UK fails to make a deal with Norway over fishing rights.

    Looks like Cod&Chips will be replaced with Mackerel&Chips until they get things sorted.

    Fancy believing the government Brexit dreams....

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    I love mackerel Troy, fresh on the beach i'd take it over most any fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    I love mackerel Troy, fresh on the beach i'd take it over most any fish.
    Aren't you a vegan ? You want to shut down all the zoos. And you drink PBR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    UK fails to make a deal with Norway over fishing rights.

    Looks like Cod&Chips will be replaced with Mackerel&Chips until they get things sorted.

    Fancy believing the government Brexit dreams....
    You do like grasping at straws Troy. More importantly, how's the EU vaccine roll out going?

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    ^ Don't think any of them will be catching up with the UK death toll from covid...

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    ^ Deaths per million?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    You do like grasping at straws Troy. More importantly, how's the EU vaccine roll out going?
    I'm not grasping at anything, l am able to enjoy the benefits of the EU and move freely to and from the UK. At least I can once covid reduces to acceptable levels.

    I'm just enjoying the "told you so" moment that will continue for the next decade. The majority in the fishing industry voted for brexit and expected something better than they had. It was never gonna happen.

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    There is a much bigger question in the fishing industry and that is sustainability Troy. Your beloved EU with all its much vaunted sense and reputation could not give a flying fuk about sustainability, its busy dredging and trawling stocks to collapse across the North Sea and its fleets will continue to do so under the EU auspices, not just in EU waters, its raping costal waters around Africa and the Indian ocean - of course none of the Blocks less savoury aspects ever gets raise by you lot.

    There was much howling when the UK designated a raft of coastal nursery waters, not by UK fishermen, but by French, Dutch and other EU super trawler owners. I cannot wait for the 5 years to be up and see how the EU reacts to the UK designating further areas as exclusion zones and limiting catches more in the name of sustainability - a word the wankers in Brussels applaud only when it doesn't affect them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    Your beloved EU with all its much vaunted sense and reputation could not give a flying fuk about sustainability,
    If it can calm you down a bit our government in assosiation with the fishers, has taken 10 % of danish waters out for total protection.

    In 30 % more all trawling will be a no no.


    Not perfect when done with the industry, but probably safer that way

    Governments come and go


    ( and for the record,I'm not pro eu. Never was )


    (and I hope Mendip sees this, as we had a chat last year about this)

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    Your waters, the real point is that is a drop in the ocean and easy to do when your country has bought massive fishing quotas outside its own coastal waters

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    Your waters, the real point is that is a drop in the ocean
    That's the way you start.

    Everybody wants more fish


    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    easy to do when your country has bought massive fishing quotas outside its own coastal waters
    My country ????

    I guess I know what you mean, but do educate me.


    Has your country sold quotas then ?

    (or is the truth that you lack of fish is proportional with your love for Herons ? )

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    The UK can hardly take the moral high ground when it comes to overfishing. The UK were guilty of doing so for decades before they joined the EU. In fact joining led to a revival of waters because of the fishing policies adopted. Yes there are a few quirks and loopholes that the media like to dredge up but in general it's been far better than the 1960s and 1970s.

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    ^ shall we also talk about EU enforcement of standards in agriculture within the block Troy, the EU has no moral high ground. It fails to enforce its own rules within its member states and has been unable to do so for decades. It sits there claiming the moral high ground waving its standards all the while member states flout them. It is a joke, a disgraceful one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    agriculture
    Huh ?

    Aren't you gonna tell me about the quotas ?
    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    the EU has no moral high ground.
    Really ? What a shocker

    Has your country ?

    Both are run by money, so.. you could be right


    Don't you think it would be better if we went back to the "half-timbering chatroom" ?


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    ^ the EU and its supporters here make a point of the standards that get so patently ignored Helge, you can't keep brow beating countries until you get your own house in order, but we are talking about Italy, France, Spain and all the Eastern block countries who needed 20 years to get their house in order and it still looks no different What we'll do however is enforce our standards we are not complying with on those we trade with. Its laughable.

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    Well, that's why it was a shame that you left.

    We have so much more in common with you, than with the Siesta guys down south-

    We could have broken down the undemocratic mastodont from the inside...together


    Should have

    But now you are out

    Might cost you a bit..might not

    Congrats anyway

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    ^ Thanks. vi ses snart

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    The Frogs throwing their rattles out of their prams

    The UK is sending two Royal Navy patrol vessels to monitor a protest in waters around Jersey's main port amid a fishing rights row with France.

    PM Boris Johnson said "any blockade would be completely unjustified" as over 100 French fishing boats prepared to sail to the island on Thursday.

    It follows a threat by France to cut off Jersey's electricity over new post-Brexit rules for French fishing boats.

    No 10 said sending the Navy vessels was a "precautionary measure".

    HMS Severn is currently heading towards the waters off Jersey's port of St Helier. HMS Tamar will follow later.

    HMS Severn has previously been used to shadow Russian navy warships off the English coast, and the ships are routinely used for fisheries protection - with sailors able to board other boats for spot checks.

    France threatens Jersey power cut in fishing row
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    On Wednesday night, Mr Johnson pledged his "unwavering support" for Jersey, the largest Channel Island and a Crown dependency, located 14 miles (22km) off France.

    Earlier, he had held talks with Jersey's Chief Minister John Le Fondré and Minister of External Affairs Ian Gorst, and "stressed the urgent need for a de-escalation in tensions" between Jersey and France.

    Senator Gorst told the BBC the threats from Paris were "disproportionate" but he was expecting a "peaceful demonstration" by French fisherman on Thursday morning.

    He said Jersey took "a threat to blockade our harbour very seriously" but insisted the "resolution has to be through diplomacy".

    The AFP news agency reported that about 100 French fishing vessels would sail to Jersey's port on Thursday as part of a protest against the new rules, quoting the head of fisheries for the Normandy region, Dimitri Rogoff.

    Mr Rogoff said the vessels would not try to block the port at St Helier and would return to France in the afternoon, AFP reported.

    The new fishing rules - introduced by the Jersey government under the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) - require French boats to show they have a history of fishing in Jersey's waters.

    But French authorities said "new technical measures" for fishing off the Channel Islands had not been communicated to the EU, rendering them "null and void".

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    French fishermen have complained about being prevented from operating in British waters because of difficulties in obtaining licences.

    Under an agreement with the EU, French boat operators must show a history of fishing in the area to receive a licence for Jersey's waters. But it has been claimed additional requirements were added without notice.

    Jersey has the sole power to issue the licences, and as of last week all fishing boats were required to have a licence to operate there.

    On Friday, the Jersey government granted 41 permits to French fishing vessels that are equipped with technology that allows them to be located.

    But the French government claimed the list of approved ships came with further demands that "were not arranged or discussed, and which we were not notified about".

    Chris Le Masurier, who runs Jersey Oyster and Normandy Trader Freight, said the French fisherman were rightly upset by the situation.

    He said: "I see it as very much an insult to them and they are extremely upset. The criteria that they were given was to prove they have fished in Jersey waters for 10 days. Nothing about what species were caught, nothing about if you've fished for 20 days or 30 days [and having to] prove that."

    But Don Thompson, from the Jersey Fisherman's Association, said affected French crews have "had since 1 January" to comply with the new rules and "perhaps some of the boats that perhaps didn't qualify are a little bit put-out".

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    The threat to cut off Jersey's electricity supply - 95% of which is delivered by three underwater cables from France - was made by French Maritime Minister Annick Girardin.

    She told the French parliament on Tuesday that new rules governing access to Channel Islands waters were unacceptable - and that France was "ready to use... retaliatory measures".

    "I am sorry it has come to this [but] we will do so if we have to," she said.

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    A row that has been brewing for months about fishing rights off the coast of Jersey is now making front page news.

    Downing Street's insistence that it wants to see tensions "de-escalated" may be met with some raised eyebrows when, at the same time, Mr Johnson sends in two patrol boats.

    The government insists it is a precautionary measure.

    Regardless, it sets the stage for a potentially dramatic day on the waters around the Channel Islands.

    And it is a very real demonstration of how some of those post-Brexit arrangements, that were spelled out on paper months ago, are still being worked out in practice.

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    The Jersey government said fishing permits must "correspond to the previous activity a vessel has carried out in Jersey waters" under the terms of the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement.

    It said its new system was "in line with the data submitted by the French and EU authorities".

    A spokeswoman said it took French complaints over the terms of the licensing agreement "very seriously" and would respond, but said it had acted in "good faith" setting up the regime.

    "The government remains committed to the sustainable management of Jersey waters for the benefit of this and future generations," she said.

    HMS Severn and HMS Tamar are based in Portsmouth. They are both 90.5m in length, have two large guns, including a short-range anti-aircraft weapon, and are crewed by 45 sailors and up to 50 Royal Marines.
    Shalom

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    ^ the EU and its supporters here make a point of the standards that get so patently ignored Helge, you can't keep brow beating countries until you get your own house in order, but we are talking about Italy, France, Spain and all the Eastern block countries who needed 20 years to get their house in order and it still looks no different What we'll do however is enforce our standards we are not complying with on those we trade with. Its laughable.

    Italy is a trade surplus nation. Something the UK or US couldn't do if their life depended on it. Until recently it also had a primary govt surplus.

    The strong EU countries like Germany and Holland, export more than the US does. The strange irony is, if the UK joined the exchange rate mechanism, it probably would look more like Germany than it does now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The strong EU countries like Germany and Holland, export more than the US does.

    Total Value of US Exports 2020 - 2.13 trillion dollars.

    Total Value of US Exports 2019 - 2.53 trillion dollars.

    Holland? FFS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Italy is a trade surplus nation. Something the UK or US couldn't do if their life depended on it. Until recently it also had a primary govt surplus.

    The strong EU countries like Germany and Holland, export more than the US does. The strange irony is, if the UK joined the exchange rate mechanism, it probably would look more like Germany than it does now
    What are you going on about? Between reading a post you want to reply to does it get all jumbled up and you end up responding to something completely different?

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    This is funny, Micron and his Govt behaving exactly like the EU did over the NI Protocol and vaccine production; it really has been amusing watching Sausages much vaunted block and its players stamping their little feet and behaving like children. Course every time they pull one of these childish stunts it just pushes the UK to de-risk the future by moving further away. I have to say i have been enjoying this immensely.

    French threat to cut off Jersey's electricity supply.

    The threat to cut off Jersey's electricity supply - 95% of which is delivered by three underwater cables from France - was made by French Maritime Minister Annick Girardin.

    She told the French parliament on Tuesday that new rules governing access to Channel Islands waters were unacceptable - and that France was "ready to use... retaliatory measures".

    "I am sorry it has come to this [but] we will do so if we have to," she said.

    A row that has been brewing for months about fishing rights off the coast of Jersey is now making front page news.

    Downing Street's insistence that it wants to see tensions "de-escalated" may be met with some raised eyebrows when, at the same time, Mr Johnson sends in two patrol boats.

    The government insists it is a precautionary measure.

    Regardless, it sets the stage for a potentially dramatic day on the waters around the Channel Islands.

    And it is a very real demonstration of how some of those post-Brexit arrangements, that were spelled out on paper months ago, are still being worked out in practice.

    The Jersey government said fishing permits must "correspond to the previous activity a vessel has carried out in Jersey waters" under the terms of the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement.

    It said its new system was "in line with the data submitted by the French and EU authorities".

    A spokeswoman said it took French complaints over the terms of the licensing agreement "very seriously" and would respond, but said it had acted in "good faith" setting up the regime.

    HMS Severn and HMS Tamar are based in Portsmouth. They are both 90.5m in length, have two large guns, including a short-range anti-aircraft weapon, and are crewed by 45 sailors and up to 50 Royal Marines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    HMS Severn and HMS Tamar are based in Portsmouth. They are both 90.5m in length, have two large guns, including a short-range anti-aircraft weapon,
    Oh shit, that will scare the French.
    Are they loaded with real ammunition or are they only carrying dummies?

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