Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

^ Not even at football!!

ha! ha!

Mislaid your british passport tonight, Troy ?

^ Too much lebkucken-schmidt wàshed down with French bubbly....

Originally Posted by Troy

^ Is that the EU capitulation that chas keeps talking about?

Nah, that’s just the Guardian take on it. Keeping to their pro EU narrative at all costs.
It keeps Cyrillic happy anyway.

Meanwhile The EU failed to agree on Turkish sanctions. Spain has a 63 billion exposure to the Turkish lira and Italy controls much of the gas in Libya so no need to guess why they are not supporting tougher sanctions. Apparently it will be reviewed in March once they see which way the wind blows on sanctions by the USA after Biden's inauguration. In other words, the tail waiting for the dog before it wags although tougher sanctions are unlikely as National interest will trump the collective EU interest, yet again. And then there's the refugees in Turkey, Erdogans trump card if the EU ever get close to an agreement in the near future.
The EU is hoping to approve the vaccine, already being delivered in the UK, by December 23 after pressure to do so by many EU countries. This would suggest a roll out starting in January at the earliest. Germany has already set up vaccination rooms in anticipation of the approval.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Well the stage is now set for BoJo to do what he's done throughout his entire political career.

Pathetic climbdown sold as skilfully engineered victory on the way.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Here we go...

Brexit trade deal possible within days after Johnson concession, says EU | Brexit | The Guardian

Downing Street has watered down a key demand over post-Brexit fishing rights

UK drops push for renationalising of fishing vessels in Brexit talks | Brexit | The Guardian

So many climbdowns...so little time.

Originally Posted by cyrille

So many climbdowns...so little time.

It'll be fine; Boris has much experience of descending at speed.

Have we brexited yet?

Will there be like a firework display or anything?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Have we brexited yet?

We should have walked 4 years ago and all our troubles would be behind us now and the Remoaners would be eating humble pie.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Meanwhile The EU failed to agree on Turkish sanctions

Thanks for the offer but fed up of turkey shoots...

I should prolly have posted this in the Amusing pictures thread but it screamed so loud for being posted here

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

The EU is hoping to approve the vaccine, already being delivered in the UK

I bet it would have been even quicker in the UK if BREXIT had already happened, eh?

Nice post Lom. Very amusing and his Pinocchio nose was inspired.

I have actually met BoJo and when he was not performing to a gallery. He is very much a small man, both in height and character, without any charisma or natural talent for communication. He really is a fraud who performs a routine that he has perfected over the years as he negotiated the limits of his weaknesses.

It really is quite an indictment of our society that he has become the leader of the Tories and an accidental PM.

Brexit is of course a joke and its facilitator little more than a buffoon, prat-falling his bumbling schtick as he leads the country into ruination.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

We should have walked 4 years ago and all our troubles would be behind us now and the Remoaners would be eating humble pie.

Still haven't worked it out have you...

SFR

Brexit: EU has 'completely unreasonable demands' of Britain, says Mark Higgie

Former Australian ambassador to the EU said he admired the British negotiators for 'having kept up their spirits'

By
Allison Pearson

17 December 2020 • 6:00am


A former Australian ambassador to the EU has accused Brussels of making “completely unreasonable demands of Britain” and warns the UK to exercise “extreme caution” in any future trading relationship with China because the country was “a thug and a shocking bully” which had decided to make an example of Australia after the country called for a global inquiry into the origins of the Covid-19 virus.

Mark Higgie, a senior political adviser to Tony Abbott, the former Australian prime minister, served as ambassador in Brussels between 2014 and 2017. In a wide-ranging and, at times, scathing interview with the Planet Normal podcast (listen on the audio player above), Higgie says he believes there will be a last-minute trade deal between the UK and the EU, but he warns Britain not to compromise on the question of sovereignty. “I think that would really be a big mistake”. According to Higgie, now a senior fellow at the Danube Institute conservative think-tank, the EU is making unacceptable demands to punish Britain for leaving their “club”.

“Basically, [the EU position is] remain in its orbit and, by the way, give us 80% of your fish,” says Higgie. “This saga has gone on for so many year and you’d think that the Brussels establishment would understand Britain’s desire to re-establish sovereignty, but they just don’t get it. They really are obtuse.”

Higgie says that, for the EU, the UK leaving is “the biggest setback in its 62-year history” and “fairly inevitably there’s a lot of anger around. And I think that element of punishing Britain both for what it has done and also as an example to other countries is a real factor in the background.”

Higgie praises the British negotiators, led by Lord Frost, for having “kept up their spirits with all of this”. Recalling, in particular, Donald Tusk’s treatment of Theresa May, he says the EU side “ has constantly been gratuitously rude to British representatives”.

Nigel Farage was correct, Higgie says, when he claimed that the EU was “a scrapyard for failed politicians”. The current President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, was such a poor defence minister that “Germany wouldn’t have been able to launch a war in 1939 if von der Leyen had been in charge of its armed forces”.

Higgie predicts that the new fault line within the European Union will be divergent “values on a range of issues of importance. Migration is the big one.” He contrasts the increasingly “woke” attitudes of the EU leadership with the belief in countries like Hungary and Poland that “the European Union should be about genuinely defending its external borders.”

Asked about the UK’s future outside the EU, Higgie says “Britain is going to be absolutely fine. These things take time, you know.” Although he cites Australia’s free trade deal with China as an achievement, the former ambassador cautions the UK against a similar over-reliance on that country. “I mean we’ve got ourselves in a situation now where China is our most important export market and China is behaving like a shocking bully and has decided, I think, to make an example of Australia because we had the temerity to call for a global inquiry into the origins of the Covid pandemic. And they were furious with that. Now, sector by sector, they’re finding reasons not to import our stuff.”

Britain, Higgie says, will try for a free trade deal with China “but for God’s sake, don’t put too many of your eggs in the China basket.”

Brexit: EU has 'completely unreasonable demands' of Britain, says Mark Higgie

s.a.

I have actually met BoJo

was that when you held the door for him in the karsey at civil service hq, or when you took him a cup of tea and a plate digestives on your regular elevenses rounds.

^
Very good article Tax but I'm sure the usual Remoaners will be along soon to pick holes in it.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ Typical Brexit bravado...how very sad to see in the 21st century.

It's what you have when you have fairly well nothing left . . . brag on about the past with emotive pictures - it pleases the great unwashed masses - . . . and losing against Iceland, not only on the football field. How grand it must be to be British and a wanker who follows Boris.

Originally Posted by panama hat

It's what you have when you have fairly well nothing left . . . brag on about the past with emotive pictures - it pleases the great unwashed masses - . . . and losing against Iceland, not only on the football field. How grand it must be to be British and a wanker who follows Boris.

Sadly, whilst Troy has adopted the German culture in his employment, he appears to have also embraced the prevalent trait of severe humour loss.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

^
Very good article Tax but I'm sure the usual Remoaners will be along soon to pick holes in it.

In contrast, picking holes in arguments is completely beyond you BREXITers...there’s just Fat Chas, who complains about the source.

Originally Posted by PAG

Sadly, whilst Troy has adopted the German culture in his employment, he appears to have also embraced the prevalent trait of severe humour loss.

Meaning that you know nothing of Germans, yet again just following the tired old clichés. Or wait, was that your humour again?

Originally Posted by panama hat

Meaning that you know nothing of Germans, yet again just following the tired old clichés. Or wait, was that your humour again?

I've several good friends who are German, and yes, there is the cliche of being humourless, as patently erroneous as the default Remain position that all who are actually content to leave the EU are suffering from diminished responsibility.

Originally Posted by PAG

I've several good friends who are German

I'm sure you do.

Originally Posted by PAG

default Remain position that all who are actually content to leave the EU are suffering from diminished responsibility.

Apples and oranges - it's plainly obvious that many who voted for leave were both uneducated about the process and ramifications as well as taken by the bluster and lies of many people like Boris and Nigel.

Hardly a valid comparison

The point remains, the intelligent, the civilised, the knowledgeable, the perspicacious, the talented and the merely decent are all invariably remainers whereas Brexiters are almost all uniformly, in some manner or other, quite inadequate or just plain stupid.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The point remains, the intelligent, the civilised, the knowledgeable, the perspicacious, the talented and the merely decent are all invariably remainers whereas Brexiters are almost all uniformly, in some manner or other, quite inadequate or just plain stupid.

In truth it's not the best way to put forward an argument, but ignoring this simple fact really does seem to be 'skirting around' an important point.

At the very least, they fell for a bunch of blatant lies regarding the process and 'benefits' of leaving. And that's ignoring all the other issues such as xenophobic fearmongering etc.