Brexit - It's Still On!

**PAG** · 11-12-2020, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by helge

Norway ?

Norway is in the EEA so has to comply with EU regulations as well as allow free movement.

**Seekingasylum** · 11-12-2020, 03:03 PM

^^No, Norway in order to remain on equal trading terms had to agree to free movement etc.

UK is a one-off, a maverick rogue state governed by idiots elected by morons.

**Switch** · 11-12-2020, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

^^No, Norway in order to remain on equal trading terms had to agree to free movement etc.

UK is a one-off, a maverick rogue state governed by idiots elected by morons.

UK is leaving, with or without a deal. Absolutely nothing you say, do or write on here, will make the slightest difference. You are hopeless, and helpless. Get used to it, because you crying about it will change nothing at all.

Rubbing sand in your eyes, might make you feel better about it. But nothing will ever change anywhere because of something you say or do.

You can’t stop me or anyone else, waking up on New Year’s Day 2021 and saying, hello world, seeking ass is still pointless. He always was, and he always will be.

Its as though you never left your worthless existence in Whitehall. Nothing ever changes.

**Seekingasylum** · 11-12-2020, 05:57 PM

The Clown is now doing his 'fight them on the beaches' routine but as everything else in his wretched life he will not be the one to suffer as he slides away into whatever bolthole offers him succour when he's finally booted out by those who were stupid enough to have trusted him in the first place.

I have read a synthesis of forex currency dealers and it seems they share the common view that negotiations will drag on to an eventual deal, none believing anyone could be that fucking stupid as to revert to WTO status after a generation of free trade and common wealth sharing among trading partners 22 miles distant.

I rather think they are being optimistic, this is after all the worst Tory government in recorded political history and there is quite literally no-one capable of telling the Clown he is an arse.

One trader institution did say however that if there is a WTO exit on 31.12.20 then a very sharp fall in £ value is inevitable.

My prognosis that £ will be equal to 1 EUR and probably US$ 1.10-15 remains valid.

**cyrille** · 11-12-2020, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Switch

UK is leaving, with or without a deal. Absolutely nothing you say, do or write on here, will make the slightest difference.

Change the record, you fatuous dimwit.

Enough of your statements of the bleedin' obvious that add **** all.

**Grumpy John** · 11-12-2020, 07:20 PM

Interesting times! Before Boris was morphed into the PM I said he was a clown but seemingly smart enough...but now I am not so sure. Britain needs to be out of the EU that's a fact but it could have been better handled.

**harrybarracuda** · 11-12-2020, 08:19 PM

So what happens on Monday. Does the UK sink into Davy Jones Locker or something?

Or does life carry on as usual with just a few indignant headlines in the Guardian and the Scottish Daily Record?

**lom** · 11-12-2020, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So what happens on Monday. Does the UK sink into Davy Jones Locker or something?

Nothing special happens but the pound will plunge further, might be a major drop.
The chaos will come after new year.

**Switch** · 11-12-2020, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Change the record, you fatuous dimwit.

Enough of your statements of the bleedin' obvious that add **** all.

.... and yet it seems perfectly fine for the doddering old fart SA, to continue his dull, repetitive rants with ever increasing regularity.
No wonder champagne socialist like you, have no clue how the real world works. Carry on spitting at your uk history from your ivory KSA tower. Dipstick.
You really are too amusing to be anything but a bad joke.

**Switch** · 11-12-2020, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

My prognosis that £ will be equal to 1 EUR and probably US$ 1.10-15 remains valid.

amended from “parity” with the dollar, yet again.
Nothing turns out right for you does it shit for brains? lol

**harrybarracuda** · 11-12-2020, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Nothing special happens but the pound will plunge further, might be a major drop.
The chaos will come after new year.

Cool, that makes no fucking difference to me whatsoever apart from making the occasional obligatory wedding/funeral trip a bit of a shopping spree.

**Troy** · 11-12-2020, 11:39 PM

^ It will make a difference to many UK citizens though. My freaking pension is going to be worth sfa soon.

**Troy** · 12-12-2020, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Switch

Let’s not pretend that the issue is about The UK against 27 member countries.

Now Macron has been told to shut up, it’s about what Merkel wants for Germany before she retires. If any of the 27 states were bold enough to speak out, it could be different, but Merkel will simply tell Barnier what he can and cannot accept, in the name of the EU.

No pretence. The negotiations are with the EU not individual countries. France and Germany refused private discussion with Bojo on Monday. That's how it should be. Underhand tactics that UK try to employ are being thwarted.

No deal is just plain stupid but not beyond the likes of Bojo.

**Switch** · 12-12-2020, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Troy

No pretence. The negotiations are with the EU not individual countries. France and Germany refused private discussion with Bojo on Monday. That's how it should be. Underhand tactics that UK try to employ are being thwarted.

No deal is just plain stupid but not beyond the likes of Bojo.

That’s a bit like saying that minnows like the tiny former eastern bloc countries have the same influence as a major industrial nation like Germany.
No one is suggesting that the UK have tried to deal directly with anyone. The UK are obliged to deal with mental, two faced midgets like Barnier. That’s hardly EU unity is is it. Poland and Hungary are quite capable of making their own minds up, yet they are obliged to let the idiot Barnier speak on their behalf? This makes EUUnity sound soooo good. A Chinese wiring diagram or IKEA assembly instructions make more sense than the EU, one size does not fit all policy.
To deny that Germany is pulling the strings indicates that they all believe in Father Christmas and the tooth fairy.

**jabir** · 12-12-2020, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Switch

UK is leaving, with or without a deal. Absolutely nothing you say, do or write on here, will make the slightest difference. You are hopeless, and helpless. Get used to it, because you crying about it will change nothing at all.

Rubbing sand in your eyes, might make you feel better about it. But nothing will ever change anywhere because of something you say or do.

You can’t stop me or anyone else, waking up on New Year’s Day 2021 and saying, hello world, seeking ass is still pointless. He always was, and he always will be.

Its as though you never left your worthless existence in Whitehall. Nothing ever changes.

I might have agreed with this a while back, and while I hope you're right my impression of Boris and his gov tells me it's not wise to count that deal-or-no-deal chicken just yet.

**Seekingasylum** · 12-12-2020, 10:05 AM

There is a bizarre notion increasingly expressed by the deluded and stupid that a no-deal Brexit is simply strong medicine to be taken as soon as possible so that the consequences can be overcome that much quicker in order to emerge from the fog of EU contamination into those Elysian glades of sun-dappled uplands where the British will cavort in unalloyed joy on the backs of golden unicorns as their merchant traders bestride the globe earning riches beyond the dreams of Croesus.

Of course, this is a barking mad delusion fostered by the right wing Kipper/Tory ERG nutters but one bought into by the rank and file of the Consrvative party because they have simply nowhere else to go. The doctrine of Brexitania is in truth bankrupt of benefit and was only ever a vehicle affording a caucus of third rate Tory dinosaurs and their disciples a route to power.

Now that we near the precipice separating the country from sweet reason and the void of Brexit lunacy, the prospect of economic annihilation for thousands has become very real indeed. It is increasingly likely WTO coon status blockading ourselves from our neighbours and erstwhile free trade partners is the Brexit dividend and that will be grievous indeed.

The markets are getting nervous and are preparing for a re-orientation away from Britain. £ is heading for EUR parity and against a strong baht it sinks further, approaching the 38 mark.

But the more amusing feature of today's news is that our Cod Churchill, BoJo the Clown is also now our admiral-in-chief Captain Pugwash who is to command his fleet of ships, four armed coastal protection vessels, which are to patrol over thousands of square miles in order to prevent the filthy French boats from catching British herring and mackerel with orders to board, seize and impound them and their crews.

The very day Capt. Pugwash lays a hand on a French pecheur will be the day Calais and Boulogne will be closed to the UK and the British fishing industry will be destroyed.

This is shaping up to be quite entertaining. The English have never looked so stupid as they do now under the leadership of their short fat buffoon whose only skill is to whip his cock out and shoot his load at any opportunity.

**OhOh** · 12-12-2020, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Troy

My freaking pension is going to be worth sfa soon.

The three lawful annual revision rules have yet to be annulled.

Benefit and pension rates 2021 to 2022 - GOV.UK
Pension boost protected by new bill - GOV.UK

Originally Posted by Switch

That’s a bit like saying that minnows like the tiny former eastern bloc countries have the same influence as a major industrial nation like Germany.

Merkel’s Deal With Hungary and Poland Is a Compromise Too Far

"For the sake of an important budget and stimulus deal, the European Union is close to selling its democratic soul."

Merkel’s Deal With Hungary and Poland Is a Compromise Too Far - Bloomberg

If David Cameron had shown the same balls as Hungary and Poland in taking on EU, UK’s Brexit shambles would never have happened

"Having forced Brussels to roll over on stringent rule-of-law conditions for EU funding, Hungary’s Viktor Orbán and Poland’s Andrzej Duda have shown Britain how to win at the negotiating table. Pity is that it’s a lesson too late."

If David Cameron had shown the same balls as Hungary and Poland in taking on EU, UK’s Brexit shambles would never have happened — RT Op-ed

**Seekingasylum** · 12-12-2020, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Switch

That’s a bit like saying that minnows like the tiny former eastern bloc countries have the same influence as a major industrial nation like Germany.
No one is suggesting that the UK have tried to deal directly with anyone. The UK are obliged to deal with mental, two faced midgets like Barnier. That’s hardly EU unity is is it. Poland and Hungary are quite capable of making their own minds up, yet they are obliged to let the idiot Barnier speak on their behalf? This makes EUUnity sound soooo good. A Chinese wiring diagram or IKEA assembly instructions make more sense than the EU, one size does not fit all policy.
To deny that Germany is pulling the strings indicates that they all believe in Father Christmas and the tooth fairy.

You really are quite demented, aren't you.

First things first, the EU has now agreed its new seven year budget cycle.

Secondly, as I have already told you before but you are quite simply too stupid to understand it, Barnier is a civil servant under the direction of the EU Commission and its chair, Ursula Von der Leyen who in turn are beholden to the EP and the 27 member states.

Thirdly, unlike the British system whereby ministers give themselves powers to act without the fiat of the legislature, the EU is a democratic institution that accords equal status to each of its member states when it is called upon to decide upon policy decisions that alter the workings of its constitutional precepts. Thus, if any one member state wishes to veto any UK/EU deal, or indeed if the EP votes against it, then that is it.

You may recall in the mists of your addled consciousness that a while back when it was time to ratify the EU/Canada FTA, Belgium declined to do so because a canton within it felt disadvantaged by one of the terms and no progress was made until interests were served.

You really are an idiot. Intellectually, you are very much the twelfth man in a team of one-legged men in an arse kicking competition.

**Pragmatic** · 12-12-2020, 11:51 AM

Good article.

[QUOTE][QUOTE][QUOTE][QUOTE][QUOTE]Ihave no doubt that Britain will thrive after leaving the EU, whether or not it leaves with a deal. I say this as a former prime minister of a country, Iceland, which left the EU before it had even joined — and which went on to prosper in a way which would have been impossible had its application for membership been carried through to conclusion. I think Britain can learn from Iceland’s experience and find a way to avoid any major disruption when 31 October comes round.
In late 2008 Iceland suffered especially harshly from the international financial crisis. The country’s banking system experienced a near-total collapse. The value of the currency tumbled, inflation surged, government debt as a percentage of GDP more than tripled in an instant. In 2009, a new government formed by the two parties on the left submitted an application for EU membership. The rationalisation offered to the public was that joining the EU was the only way to survive.
Iceland was already a member of the European Economic Area (EEA), which facilitates free trade with the EU. But after the application was submitted, the EU became increasingly stringent regarding the implementation of EU regulations in Iceland. Many of Iceland’s bureaucrats were enthusiastic about obliging.
The elections of 2013, however, brought a halt to accession talks, and in 2015, my government formally withdrew Iceland’s application for EU membership. I had come to the conclusion that withdrawing the application was essential in order for us to be able to make the arrangements necessary for successfully rebuilding the economy.
And bounce back we did. Soon Iceland had the highest GDP growth rate of any developed country. We saw the sharpest fall in government debt achieved by any nation in modern history. Unemployment shrank and, at the same time, we invested heavily in healthcare and other essential services.
In 2015, my government formally withdrew Iceland's application for EU membershipYet the methods we used to bring this remarkable transformation about would not have been possible had we joined the EU and adopted the euro and become bound by EU regulations. Had we done so, our fate would very likely instead have resembled that of Greece.
My government’s decision to withdraw the application for EU membership was, of course, met with hostility from globalists, both foreign and domestic. At every step we were treated to predictions of impending catastrophe very similar to those now being ascribed to Brexit. How odd that adherents of a new global order continue to advocate an international system based on fear and submission rather than reciprocity.

If Iceland, while outside the EU, can achieve the highest level of growth of any western nation so soon after the collapse of its banking system and public finances, then I’m sure that a post-Brexit Britain — the world’s fifth-largest economy — can prosper, too. Nevertheless, there will certainly be some negative short-term consequences from leaving the EU. What can you do to avoid them?

One possible solution is for the UK to become a temporary member of the EEA agreement along with Iceland, Norway, and Liechtenstein and, of course, the EU. Here the word ‘temporary’ is paramount. It could be for a few years or longer — depending on the time needed to make other arrangements.
By doing so, the UK would be out of the EU at the end of October while still retaining free trade with the EU. You would immediately be able to make new free trade agreements all over the world. Iceland has more free trade agreements than most other countries, including the first such agreement made with China by a European country. In talks on free trade, the UK would be negotiating from a position of strength.
In becoming a member of the EEA, the UK would be joining a system that is already tried and tested. There could be a smooth transition, with no need for a frantic attempt to create a complicated new mechanism in a matter of weeks. Citizens’ rights would be guaranteed while a new framework is developed. And the same goes for trade in goods, services and capital.
What’s more, there would be no hard border in Ireland, just as there is no hard border between Sweden (EU) and Norway (EEA) or Germany (EU) and Switzerland (which has its own bilateral deal with the EU). Luckily, neither the UK nor the Republic of Ireland is a member of Schengen, so there are no problems on that front. And being out of Schengen will allow the UK to protect its other borders, as it does now.
Under the EEA, Britain would immediately be in full control of its fisheries — as Iceland is — and in a position to make its own arrangements for agriculture. Given the size of the UK population compared to its farming sector, any drop in agricultural exports would be more than offset by farmers winning an increased share of domestic consumption.
Admittedly, Britain would still face the burden of implementing some EU regulations while the EEA membership lasts. That would, however, only be a fraction of what the UK has put up with for decades. During the first 20 years of the EEA agreement, Iceland implemented on average around 13 per cent of EU regulations each year.

The question is: will this solution be acceptable to the EU? There is no reason why it shouldn’t be. After all, it would be using an instrument of the EU’s own making, because the EEA agreement was originally envisioned as a means of easing reluctant countries into the EU. Some might find it unsettling if the EEA were turned on its head and used to ease a country’s passage out of the EU.

However, the EU is now having to face a democratic decision by one of its members to leave. If the Union’s primary objective in those circumstances turns out to be punishing the citizens of the outgoing country for their decision — even if that means causing great damage to the remaining countries — then it is hardly a great advert for EU membership. If this does turn out to be the case, the sooner Britain leaves, the better. Let the EU do their worst. Britain will do its best and I am sure that will be good enough.
David Gunnlaugsson is a former prime minister of Iceland.

WRITTEN BYDavid Gunnlaugsson

**Pragmatic** · 12-12-2020, 11:54 AM

Sorry I fcuked up on the copy and paste.

**Neverna** · 12-12-2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

No deal is just plain stupid but not beyond the likes of Bojo.

No deal, if it comes, will be a decision made by both sides, Troy.

**Seekingasylum** · 12-12-2020, 12:42 PM

That idiot writing for the Spectator, a rag for right wing Tory nutters and preferred reading for the ERG loons, is I think paid as a propaganda features editor for BoJo and his cabinet. The silly cvunt defended Patel right on cue as indeed is this latest nonsense.

The ERGs wanted WTO not least for the immunity it will grant their corporate shills and tax evading hedge funds in offshoring wealth.

Quite why the lumpen lower end cannot see this is strange but then, they are the lumpen lower end and therefore quite stupid.

**Troy** · 12-12-2020, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

No deal, if it comes, will be a decision made by both sides, Troy.

Interesting thought but not one that I entirely agree.

This has been the strangest few years of my life. I shall be happy when everything settles down and the future is clearer.

**cyrille** · 12-12-2020, 04:19 PM

A further 5% drop for sterling predicted in the event of you-know-what.

Last one out - switch off the lights.

**lom** · 12-12-2020, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

No deal, if it comes, will be a decision made by both sides

Only true if both sides are striving in the same direction and putting the same effort into it.

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