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    I actually like reading Brexit loons commenting on the issue, it re-affirms my belief that ignorance and idiocy are the primary driving forces within modern society as it enters this new Anthropocene Era, or what we more perspicacious know as The Age of The Stupid.

    So, my dear Antipodean sooth speaker, in the spirit of your post-Brexit revelatory experience, please tell us all, what is it the British are going to sell to the world that it couldn't before Brexit and how will it compensate for the loss of unfettered trade with 500 million consumers located a mere 22 miles distant from the UK's shores?

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    Seeking ass has all the answers, piled up in the format of predictions, opinions and assumptions. Calling them all facts, he doesn’t even try to hide behind spurious links, because posting such links would demonstrate the nature of his cherry picked facts, which are of course just opinions.

    Hope you enjoy Halloween. Take one, and fuck off. You can write an opinionated blog about it later.

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    Be that as it may, can you answer the rather simple question I posed?

    If you cannot and you concede that Brexit is nothing but an irrational, incoherent and unintelligible aberration then say so, you silly old man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Be that as it may, can you answer the rather simple question I posed?

    If you cannot and you concede that Brexit is nothing but an irrational, incoherent and unintelligible aberration then say so, you silly old man.
    I have no concrete view or evidence of what the future might hold in a global, post Brexit and post pandemic world, and neither do you.

    I believe the european experiment in corrupt protectionism and sociopolitical engineering is both dangerous and prone to cataclysmic failure. I want no part of it, so you are welcome to it, as ineffectual and irrelevant as your assumptions and opinions are.

    Ask mystic Meg the same question. She’s more on a par with you on this subject.

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    So, there we have it, the decision to leave is irrational.

    Millions across the country have had their livelihoods placed in jeopardy and the country's socio-economic model established over 43 years has been dismantled without any coherent understanding of its likely effects.

    Truly, it is beyond belief.

    But, apropos the somewhat bizarre gibberish spouted out of your UKIP catechism of the moronic, just how has the EU been corruptly protectionist? As far as I can glean, from the 60 various FTAs, EPAs and trade pacts entered into by the EU with global partner states there has been no evidence of this. Please, cite your examples supporting the sweeping nonsense that the EU is protectionist and corrupt?
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    A right wing Brexiteer who propped up the cultural cornerstone of British anti-EU propaganda in the Spectator for the past twenty years says a lot of people in France and the EU are against the EU??? What he is referring to of course are the nationalistic, bigoted, prejudiced right wing dinosaurs and illiterate, ignorant and inarticulate lower end dross who don't like immigrants, Africans and muslims.

    Whittle is a Kipper and therefore a fucking idiot but he adoptes the style of a so-called balanced cultural observer who tries to insinuate himself and his organisation into the mainstream when in truth he is no more than a closet nazi with a Britain First agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    I have no concrete view
    Your previous posts suggested you supported Brexit. Are you vacillating in tune with Bo-Jo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Your previous posts suggested you supported Brexit. Are you vacillating in tune with Bo-Jo?
    Read the whole sentence numb nuts. Unlike SA, I have no pretensions as an astrologer or a mind reader, and I do not profess to be gifted economist blessed with 20/20 hindsight.
    SA’s entire life is based on conjecture, so he can’t do anything else.

    What will be, will be, no matter What the gormless Pattaya soothsayer thinks.

    He is a spasticated moron with serious fantasy issues. He actually believes what he posts on here, even though it’s all speculation.
    All he has is repetitive regurgitation.


    It is quite clear that I support brexit. It is equally evident why I want out of the scurrilous socially engineered project, and a return to common trade principles, without any political interference from others.
    If that support leads to no deal, so be it.
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    ^ ...and there was me thinking the 5 P's...Piss poor planning = poor performance.

    The UK walked into Brexit without a plan and still doesn't have one, so the result is always going to be pretty dire.

    One doesn't need a crystal ball to see that, just some commonsense.

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    Meanwhile, I know how you all love The Guardian articles. worth going to the FT and Telegraph links as well but they are behind paywalls.
    Support is waning for Johnson’s plague-year Brexit
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    Polls and pundits alike are wavering at the irresponsibility of further burdening an economy struggling under Covid.

    Denials predictably emerged from 10 Downing Street last week over the suggestion in the Observer that Boris Johnson was waiting for the result of the US election before possibly opting for a no-deal Brexit.

    However I, for one, place a lot more credence on the judgment and reliability of Sir Ivan Rogers, our former ambassador to the European Union, than I do on anything coming from a Downing Street where “Eyetest” Cummings continues to rule the roost.

    The Observer was reporting on the result of Rogers’s soundings among our former EU partners, which showed their common view that Johnson was more likely to propel this benighted nation over the no-deal cliff if, in the end, the US electorate decided not to dump Trump. Hence the wait.

    Johnson is all over the place on most things, a reality that is finally beginning to dawn on many of his erstwhile supporters. But Cummings is an even bigger gambler than his dodgy employer: a revolutionary who would have been perfectly at home in early 20th century Russia. I have no idea how he deals at poker, but people who know him – I am delighted to say that, though a fellow Islingtonian, I have never, to my knowledge, encountered him – say he is definitely a “no-dealer” on the big issue of the day.

    Sorry, there are of course two big issues of the day: Covid and Brexit. And Cummings is so brazen that the man who broke his own lockdown rules on his infamous trip to Barnard Castle has been one of the most hawkish in urging strict “tier” terms as the plague threatens once again to get out of control.

    Now, I did not get where I am today by forecasting election results, but God help us if Trump wins and Johnson and Cummings go for no-deal with the EU and a deal with Trump that takes us in the direction of becoming the 51st state. A Biden victory would restore some sense of decency and normality to international relations, although No 10 must be all too well aware that Biden, who is of Irish extraction, is none too happy with what they have been up to, threatening previous deals on the border and the Good Friday agreement.

    As the horror stories about the reality of Brexit begin to sink in, even commentators in the Daily Telegraph have begun to get worried. A line from A Midsummer Night’s Dream keeps recurring to me – spoken by the late Alan Howard as Theseus/Oberon in Peter Brook’s great production, to Puck: “What hast thou done?”

    Polls now suggest that most of the British people disapprove of Brexit – according to YouGov, by 50% to 38%. So why on earth do we go charging on, like Tennyson’s light brigade? While not wishing to overdo the parallels, one cannot help thinking of the way Lloyd George was needed to replace Asquith during the first world war, and Churchill to take over from Chamberlain in the second world war. Alas, the egregious Johnson already thinks he is Churchill. Seldom has a British prime minister been so misguided.

    I have pointed out before that, even with a deal, leaving the single market at the end of the year will be extremely disruptive – not only from 2 January (1 January being a bank holiday) but for years to come. But leaving without a deal? As Nick Bosanquet, professor of health policy at Imperial College, London, recently pointed out in the Financial Times, the conjuncture of port delays with the virus and long waits in laybys for thousands of lorry drivers, probably in bad weather, “would be a classic situation for super-spreading of the virus”, and that “drivers would have to present recent test results in order to cross”.

    Bosanquet says the looming national emergency could be avoided only by seeking an agreement with the EU, preferably with a six-month extension of the transition period. I am all in favour of such an extension, preferably leading to an entire rethink of the wisdom of Brexit, and a tail-between-the-legs application to rejoin the EU.

    One cannot help but note the understandable calls for the government to have a recovery plan from the economic horrors of the lockdown and its awful impact on employment. However, what people should realise is that, in going ahead with Brexit, the government has already decided on a plan. Unfortunately, it is to make the economic crisis even worse.

    Going ahead with Brexit in a time of plague is the height of irresponsibility. It must never be forgotten that the infamous 2016 referendum was advisory, not binding, and fought on a false prospectus.

    I know the argument that “the people have spoken”. But the people speak at every general election, and often change their minds. Moreover, it was only ever some of the people. As Abraham Lincoln reportedly said: “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/business...-covid-economy



    Personally, I think it makes sense to continue the transition period for at least another 6 months to offset the problems due to Covid. It would, of course, be even better if Brexit was simply abandoned as a silly idea that never had any practical worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Personally, I think it makes sense to continue the transition period for at least another 6 months to offset the problems due to Covid. It would, of course, be even better if Brexit was simply abandoned as a silly idea that never had any practical worth.
    And allow for more prevarication from Barnier et al? No thanks, it’s been dragged out far too long now already. Cut the strings from the puppet EU heirarchy and be done with it.

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    Troy.......... "Personally, I think it makes sense to continue the transition period for at least another 6 months to offset the problems due to Covid. It would, of course, be even better if Brexit was simply abandoned as a silly idea that never had any practical worth".

    The only silly idea with no practical worth is your opinion, as you continually mouth your forever repetitive doomsday scenarios with absolutely no facts. You have chosen to be the chicken little of Brexit. It appears by your posts, that you are all at sea with embracing change and are comfortable in your own little bubble, I get that. You and your mentor (an ex govt worker not prone or encouraged to thinking outside of the box) are not the only ones who cannot meet and embrace change as a challenge, but instead see it as something to be feared, but sadly, it has made your view too negative, shallow and one dimensional to be of any worth.

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    In the final analysis, even to the dimmest of most intransigent of Brexit morons, it is now palpably apparent that there is no discernible economic or social benefit to Brexit. As we have heard from all the sentient commentators from within the UK there was never a shred of evidence to support the vacuous propaganda from the Kipper/Nazi loons that Britain had lost its sovereignty in any meaningful way and nor was there any tangible threat to its cultural norms.

    What is left from the debacle is the empty rhetoric from charlatans and tenth rate politicians capitalising on the vulnerable, the stupid, the ignorant and the bigoted.

    But, let's try and see what our resident Brexit dotards come up with when yet again I ask, what is it that Britain can sell now to the world that it couldn't before Brexit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    And allow for more prevarication from Barnier et al? No thanks, it’s been dragged out far too long now already. Cut the strings from the puppet EU heirarchy and be done with it.
    A classic case of an old man unhampered by intellect interpreting events beyond his ability to comprehend.

    Might I remind you, you frazzled old nincompoop, it was the European Research Group headed by the idiot Mogg and his fellow Brexit loonies within the Tory party itself that procrastinated month after month in passing the Withdrawal Bill, and not the EU which, strangely enough, has little nexus with the House of Commons.

    Stupid is as stupid does, eh Chas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Troy.......... "Personally, I think it makes sense to continue the transition period for at least another 6 months to offset the problems due to Covid. It would, of course, be even better if Brexit was simply abandoned as a silly idea that never had any practical worth".

    The only silly idea with no practical worth is your opinion, as you continually mouth your forever repetitive doomsday scenarios with absolutely no facts. You have chosen to be the chicken little of Brexit. It appears by your posts, that you are all at sea with embracing change and are comfortable in your own little bubble, I get that. You and your mentor (an ex govt worker not prone or encouraged to thinking outside of the box) are not the only ones who cannot meet and embrace change as a challenge, but instead see it as something to be feared, but sadly, it has made your view too negative, shallow and one dimensional to be of any worth.
    2021
    Sadly, change is inevitable, even for luddites. As certain as death and taxes. Those who refuse to adapt will wither and die. From January 2021, all that will be heard of them, is their plaintive death rattle. Not long now until the great silence. Mmmmmm peace at last.

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    The thing is, the lower end, the stupid and the merely addled, make the same mistake as you, this is not change or progress, this is a turning of the clock back 43 years to the times of parochial protectionism, of tariffs, controls and barriers.

    But you are all just too bigoted, too stupid and too ignorant to realise it.

    Kent is the new frontier, a border between Der klein Englander and Europe, and you numskulls are celebrating it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    The only silly idea with no practical worth is your opinion, as you continually mouth your forever repetitive doomsday scenarios with absolutely no facts. You have chosen to be the chicken little of Brexit. It appears by your posts, that you are all at sea with embracing change and are comfortable in your own little bubble, I get that. You and your mentor (an ex govt worker not prone or encouraged to thinking outside of the box) are not the only ones who cannot meet and embrace change as a challenge, but instead see it as something to be feared, but sadly, it has made your view too negative, shallow and one dimensional to be of any worth.
    Whatever...

    Meanwhile back in the real world

    Joe Biden adviser warns 'in almost every area Brexit would be negative for US'

    An adviser to Joe Biden, tipped to become the next UK ambassador to the US, has issued a warning over Brexit - saying in almost every area it would have negative consequences for his country.
    Anthony Gardner, a former American ambassador to the EU, told an audience in Germany that Brexit was the "biggest own-goal" he had ever seen.



    Speaking at ESMT business school in Berlin, he predicted that Biden would use his first day to commit America to working with the European Union.


    “If Biden is elected I believe quickly, perhaps first day, [there will be a] declaration of support for the European Union, declaration of support for European integration, declaration of support in favour of NATO, the lynchpin of transatlantic alliance, which has been weakened because of this administration's policies.”
    In a warning to Britain, the former diplomat pointed to the negative consequences Brexit will have on Britain and the EU - and in particular the US.


    “I won't talk about Brexit, I've lived it, everyone's bored by it, Europe needs to move on.


    “It's the biggest own-goal that I've seen in my lifetime.


    “All of the analysis that we did under the Obama administration, which were intensive, we looked at all the areas of our interaction with Europe.


    “Our conclusion was that in almost every area Brexit would be negative for the United States, for Europe and for the UK. That analysis I believe has proven to be correct.


    “Here's a dramatic difference: Donald Trump has only believed that the US-UK link was important, he was a cheerleader for Brexit.


    “Joe Biden believes that the triangle of relationships, US-UK, UK-EU, US and EU, all have to work together, and you will see statements to that effect.”
    Biden is reportedly planning a mini tour of the EU following his inauguration to cement fresh relations between his country and Europe.

    Joe Biden adviser warns Britain over Brexit | The New European


    Let's hope for a Biden win tomorrow...

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    It all comes down to Tuesday: Brexit Britain 'at mercy' of US result with deal on the line


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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Sadly, change is inevitable, even for luddites
    You don't know how funny that is considering my field of expertise....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    You don't know how funny that is considering my field of expertise....
    Did someone throw a spanner in your works? Or is it just coincidence that the Luddites came to prominence during the costly Napolionic wars, when inflation and unemployment were high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    A right wing Brexiteer who propped up the cultural cornerstone of British anti-EU propaganda in the Spectator for the past twenty years says a lot of people in France and the EU are against the EU??? What he is referring to of course are the nationalistic, bigoted, prejudiced right wing dinosaurs and illiterate, ignorant and inarticulate lower end dross who don't like immigrants, Africans and muslims.

    Whittle is a Kipper and therefore a fucking idiot but he adoptes the style of a so-called balanced cultural observer who tries to insinuate himself and his organisation into the mainstream when in truth he is no more than a closet nazi with a Britain First agenda.
    Yeah I just posted it because he himself , as a Brexiteer, admitted that the UK leadership is just as incompetent and feckless if not worse , than the EU leadership. Which is an admission that the whole thing is a waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    You don't know how funny that is considering my field of expertise....
    How is this connected to aviation ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Speaking at ESMT business school in Berlin, he predicted that Biden would use his first day to commit America to working with the European Union.
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Which is an admission that the whole thing is a waste of time.
    Depends on the desired outcome.

    An opinion from a former British diplomat,

    Why Is Europe Courting Revolution?

    Alastair Crooke

    "All eyes remain on the U.S. election, and on fathoming its consequences. But in the shadow of ‘The Election’, there are other ‘moving parts’: Germany just offered Washington ‘a sweetheart deal’ in which, Europe – with Germany leading – accepts to leverage America’s full-spectrum strategy of isolating and weakening Russia and China. And in return it is asking the U.S. to acquiesce to German leadership of a ‘power-political’, European entity that is raised to parity with the U.S. That, bluntly, is to say, Germany is angling for ‘superpower’ status, atop an EU ‘empire’ for the new era. Putin recognised such a possibility (Germany aspiring to be a superpower) during his recent speech to Valdai.
    But the other ‘moving parts’ to this bid are very much in motion, too: Firstly, Germany’s ploy is contingent on their hopes for a Biden win, which may, or may not, occur. And then, too, President Macron seeks for himself, and for France, the leadership of Europe – with this latter – to an extent – being contingent on a ‘no deal’ Brexit taking place at the end of the year, that would further weaken a dis-animated and fading Merkel. France rather, plots the ‘Great Reset’ of Europe: A regulatory and values enforced ‘space’, underpinned by a common fiscal and debt regime that would rebuild France’s economic infrastructure.

    All this raises many questions: Should Trump win, he can be expected to puncture any German (or French) aspiration to drain away some of America’s power, however nicely the German FM wraps it, as the U.S. not so much losing power, but as gaining “a strong partner on equal terms”. Huh!
    The idea that Europe can leverage this partnership through sweet-talking Germany’s commitment “to the West as a system of values”, which is “at risk in its entirety”, and which, only Germany and the U.S. together can keep strong – does seem a bit of a daydream. Even when sugar-wrapped with “defending against the unmistakable Russian thirst for power, and Chinese ambitions for global supremacy”. Firstly, there is still Trump, and secondly —

    China and Russia clearly see the game. Yet European leaders seem to expect that the former will continue as if nothing is awry. Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer seems to think so (she is both Defence Minister, and Chair of the CDU, Merkel’s own party). In terms of containing “China’s aggressively controlled state capitalism”, she suggests creating a European trade sphere that is open only to those who want to strengthen and support the liberal, rules-based order – and to which other states must ‘submit’ (Macron’s words). These are the bones to how Brussels proposes to achieve ‘strategic autonomy’ (Charles Michel’s term).

    Here are some extracts of Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer’s ‘deal’ given in a 23 October speech:

    “… Most of all, America has given us what we call ‘Westbindung’ … Westbindung, to me, is and remains, a clear rejection of the historic temptation of equidistance. Westbindung anchors us firmly in NATO and the EU and ties us closely to Washington, Brussels, Paris and London. It clearly and rightly positions us against a romantic fixation on Russia – and also against an illiberal corporative state that rejects parties and parliaments [i.e. China] … Westbindung is the answer to the famous “German question”, the question of what Germany stands for … Only America and Europe together can keep the West strong, defending it against the unmistakable Russian thirst for power and Chinese ambitions for global supremacy … To be the giver [in a process of ‘give and take with the U.S.] would require us to take a firm power-political stance. To ambitiously play the geopolitical game. But even looking at all this, there are still some Americans who are not convinced that they need NATO. I understand that. Because there is one thing still missing: That is for the Europeans to take powerful action themselves, when push comes to shove. So that the United States can see Europe as a strong partner on equal terms, not as a damsel in distress. As you can see: the German dilemma is a European dilemma as well. We stay dependent [on the U.S.], but at the same time, we must come into our own. In strengthening Europe like this, Germany must play a key role … enabling it to operate more independently of, and more closely with, the United States at the same time …”.

    Three major geo-political issues here are intersecting: Firstly, Germany is metamorphosing politically, in a way that holds disturbing parallels with its transition in the pre-WW1, European setting. In short, the ‘German Question’ is surfacing again (but not in AKK’s way): When the Berlin Wall fell, Russia supported the reunification of Germany and pinned hopes on Germany being a partner for the wider unification project: the construction of a ‘Greater Europe’.

    It proved to be a chimaera: Germany, far from supporting Russia’s inclusion, instead, favoured the expansion of Europe and NATO to Russia’s borders. The EU – under U.S. pressure – was forming a Greater Europe that would eventually include all the states of Europe, except Russia.

    But in so doing, West Europe absorbed into the EU the tumour of East European neuralgia on Russia. Berlin, all the while, has played on America’s visceral hostility towards Russia – more as a tool to build out its European space up to the Russian border. Germany thus has prioritised assuaging Eastern European ancient antipathies, above any real attempt at a relationship with Russia. Now Germany wants to ‘play it again’: In a July interview, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer said that the Russian leadership must be “confronted with a clear position: We are well-fortified, and in case of doubt, ready to defend ourselves. We see what Russia is doing, and we will not let the Russian leadership get away with it”.

    Well: Fool me once … but fool me twice …? The Navalny episode was the last straw. It was a blatant lie. Merkel and Macron knew it to be a lie. And they knew that Moscow knew it, too. Yet they both preferred to toss the Russophobes another ‘bone’. Moscow gave up with them.

    The real puzzle is why Moscow put up with this play for so long. The answer perhaps, lies with the Russian two-headed eagle, whose heads face in opposite directions: one toward Europe, and the other toward Asia. Merkel’s obvious deceit is stretching and testing social trust in Russia, just too far. The Russian élites may lean towards Europe, but their base looks East. Navalny was the humiliating straw that broke the camel’s back

    Now Macron – still energised, but himself politically weakened – hopes to drain further Merkel’s strength (in mercantilist terms), through engineering a UK no-deal Brexit that would damage Germany’s huge trade surplus with Britain, at the very moment that Germany is losing markets in Russia (and now possibly in China); and when America, if Trump is re-elected, would likely embark on a trade war with Europe.

    Weakening Merkel’s hand – that is – in opposing an European joint debt instrument, together with a common fiscal policies, is the aim, so that France might draw down on German fiscal resources placed within a ‘common pot’, and then deployed to revamp the French economy.

    The Brussels plan for a ‘Great Reset’ – transforming the European economy, and the social sphere – through automation and technology is, as Tom Luongo has noted delusional:
    “[W]hat’s been pretty clear to me is Europe’s delusions that it can subjugate the world under its rubric, forcing its rules and standards on the rest of us, including China, [whilst] again allowing the U.S. to act as its proxy – [as Europe] tries to maintain its [‘power-political’] standing is delusional”.


    Why?


    ‘Delusional’, as although China may be an “aggressively controlled state capitalism” in Euro-speak, it is also a major ‘civilisational state’, with its own distinct values. Brussels may call their regulatory space ‘open’, but it is clearly exclusionary, and not multilateral. The action of this politics is only pushing the world towards a separation of distinct regulatory spheres – and toward deeper recession.


    On the practical plane, whereas first phase Covid tended to provide support to Europe’s incumbent governments, this present infection spike is shredding support for incumbents. Protests and riots are increasingly taking place across Europe. Episodes of violence have been met with horror by the authorities, which suspect that organized crime and radical groups are at work to spark a political wildfire. And that potential is very much there.

    To the structural unemployment already incurred in phase one, now must be added another wave of possibly irreversible unemployment, (again) in the services sector. For small businesses and the self-employed, it is a nightmare. Not surprisingly, the anger grows as those losing their means of living observe that civil servants and the middle classes more generally, are passing through this episode, virtually unscathed.

    European governments have been caught off-guard. There is absolute confusion as governments try to square keeping the economy alive, with containing the infected from overwhelming hospitals – achieving neither. This represents the cost of the ‘summer opening’ to save the tourist season. No one is on their balcony these evenings banging cooking pots in communal solidarity. Today, protests and riots have taken their place.

    Into this mounting anger is inserted dark suspicion. Some may view Covid as pure conspiracy; others will not. Yet it is not ‘conspiracy’ to believe that European governments may knowingly have used the pandemic to increase their tools of social control, (despite ‘distancing’ being a genuine medical containment strategy). Was this concerted in anticipation of the changes implicit to the ‘Great Reset’? We do not know. Yet, from the outset, western governments couched their measures as ‘war’ – and as war that required war-time state-directed economics, and war-time public compliance.

    Rightly or wrongly, it is becoming a culture war. Overtones of the anger on U.S. streets. Again, dark suspicions that cultural life is being closed down in order to prepare Europeans for the drowning of their cultural identities into a big Brussels-made, melting-pot. These fears may be misplaced, but they are ‘out there’, and viral.

    It is Europe’s political fabric and societal cohesion that is in play – and its leaders are not just confused: They fear.

    It would indeed be hubristic delusion then, were European leaders to proceed with the automation ‘Great Reset’, and add yet more structural unemployment to a pile, already threatening to topple, under its growing weight (into mass protest).

    Do they want revolution?"

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...ng-revolution/
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    It all comes down to Tuesday: Brexit Britain 'at mercy' of US result with deal on the line


    Brexit news: UK ‘at the mercy’ of US election as Trump could hand Boris 'second chance' | World | News | Express.co.uk

    Despite all this hooha from the Tory loons and their shills, even if the Moron did win a second term the impetus to post Brexit UK trade would amount to no more than a mere 1% increase in existing levels but even that is doubtful when one takes into account the comments of Pelosi and Congress who have repeatedly stated any deal will have to be congruent with Irish interests and the GFA, and if it fails that test then it ain't getting past.

    BoJo the Clown has no cavalry coming to the rescue of Brexit which is doomed to losses of up to £70-£100 billions annually irrespective of any deals with PNG, Vanuatu and Alabama chicken farmers.

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