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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Actually, I prophesied the M20/Dover/Kent paralysis over two years ago and before that, I think you will find.
    Sure, but your post isn't about your 'prophesy', is it. Its essence is based on comments made by the former head of the civil service Lord O'Donnell, as reported in this morning's Guardian.

    The same paper which covered 'your' 'original' 'prophesy', most likely a few hours before you made it.

    As Troy et al have repeatedly posted, there's nothing wrong with other posters taking issue with these assertions. However oafish poseurs like Switch are too intellectually lazy to do that.

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    Ws it a succession of dreary NAAFI shops with the BAOR that so turned you against the EU, Chas?

    Poor chap, an empty life purveying cheap comestibles to the lower end culminating in a misfiring escape to a Thai island resort he couldn't afford and finally a solitary confinement in a sleazy bolthole used by bogan ockers from the shallow end of the antipodean gene pool.

    Brexit was always going to be a disaster and when one observed the demographic that voted for it, the stupid, the deluded, the ignorant and the merely bigoted, prejudiced knuckle dragger, then one knew it could end no other way.

    Voting for Brexit was the equivalent of getting a tattoo on the forehead proclaiming "I am a fuckwit" and it seems it could be as permanent.

    So, Chas, how many tatts have you got?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    So, Chas, how many tatts have you got?
    You should read his zinger about COVID.

    Something along the lines of "How can SE Asian countries hope to contain the virus as well as the developed western countries have?"

    The poor old boy is living in lala land, totally blind to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Sure, but your post isn't about your 'prophesy', is it. Its essence is based on comments made by the former head of the civil service Lord O'Donnell, as reported in this morning's Guardian.
    Er no. I cited him obliquely as another public figure warning about the peril of Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    You should read his zinger about COVID.

    Something along the lines of "How can SE Asian countries hope to contain the virus as well as the developed western countries have?"

    The poor old boy is living in lala land, totally blind to reality.
    I fully understand that Chico cannot read or understand a sentence posted by me. At least he quoted it in full and then failed to comprehend what I actually said.
    You, on the other hand, have posted what you think I said, instead of the original quote. Any more conclusions you would like to jump to?
    Considering all the time you have on your hands, I would describe that as lazy stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Ws it a succession of dreary NAAFI shops with the BAOR that so turned you against the EU, Chas?

    Poor chap, an empty life purveying cheap comestibles to the lower end culminating in a misfiring escape to a Thai island resort he couldn't afford and finally a solitary confinement in a sleazy bolthole used by bogan ockers from the shallow end of the antipodean gene pool.

    Brexit was always going to be a disaster and when one observed the demographic that voted for it, the stupid, the deluded, the ignorant and the merely bigoted, prejudiced knuckle dragger, then one knew it could end no other way.

    Voting for Brexit was the equivalent of getting a tattoo on the forehead proclaiming "I am a fuckwit" and it seems it could be as permanent.

    So, Chas, how many tatts have you got?
    I spent 11 years living in Germany during the 70s 80s and 90s. Marvelous times, living in a clean, well organised and affluent country. Enjoyable travel opportunities, and socially rewarding if one bothered to learn the language.
    Sorry to disappoint. No tattoos.

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    Sir Jim Ratcliffe, UK's richest person, moves to tax-free Monaco

    Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the UK’s richest person and high-profile Brexiter, has quit Britain for tax-free Monaco.


    Ratcliffe, a petrochemicals magnate with an estimated 17.5bn fortune, has this week officially changed his tax domicile from Hampshire to Monaco, the sovereign city-state that is already home to many of the UK’s richest people.


    It has been estimated that the move will save him 4bn in tax payments. People who live in Monaco for at least 183 days a year do not pay any income or property taxes. The highest tax rate in the UK is 45% on income above 150,000-a-year.


    Before he left for Monaco, Ratcliffe was the UK’s third-highest individual taxpayer, paying 110m to the exchequer in 2017-18, according to the Sunday Times tax list.


    His decision to quit Britain came soon after he was knighted by the Queen for “services to business and investment”, and the UK voted to leave the European Union.


    Ratcliffe, the founder and chief executive of petrochemicals company Ineos, was an ardent supporter of the vote leave campaign, declaring that the UK would thrive without red tape from Brussels.


    After the referendum, he urged the government to adopt a tough approach to negotiations with the EU, saying: “We must listen, we must be unwaveringly polite and retain our charm. But there is no room for weakness or crumpling at 3am when the going gets tough and most points are won or lost.”


    Ratcliffe said the EU needed access to the UK’s market as much as Britain needed access to the EU’s. “Never forget that we have a decent set of cards,” he said, adding: “Mercedes is not going to stop selling cars in the UK. And London is one of the two key financial centres, and that isn’t going to change.”


    Ratcliffe, who owns 60% of Ineos, has seen his personal fortune increase from an estimated 9.5bn in January 2019 to 17.5bn today, according to the Bloomberg billionaires index. That estimated wealth has increased by 1.25bn so far this year alone, despite the coronavirus pandemic.


    His official status as a Monaco resident was recorded at Companies House, where he updated his details as a director of private jet company Hampshire Aviation.


    Other rich Britons who have moved to Monaco include the Topshop boss Sir Philip Green and his wife Tina; the property billionaires Simon and David Reuben; John Hargreaves, the founder and chairman of Matalan; and Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton.


    In a statement, a spokesperson for Ineos said: “We don’t comment on the personal details of our directors and employees.”

    Sir Jim Ratcliffe, UK's richest person, moves to tax-free Monaco | Business | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Ws it a succession of dreary NAAFI shops with the BAOR that so turned you against the EU, Chas?

    Poor chap, an empty life purveying cheap comestibles to the lower end culminating in a misfiring escape to a Thai island resort he couldn't afford and finally a solitary confinement in a sleazy bolthole used by bogan ockers from the shallow end of the antipodean gene pool.

    Brexit was always going to be a disaster and when one observed the demographic that voted for it, the stupid, the deluded, the ignorant and the merely bigoted, prejudiced knuckle dragger, then one knew it could end no other way.

    Voting for Brexit was the equivalent of getting a tattoo on the forehead proclaiming "I am a fuckwit" and it seems it could be as permanent.

    So, Chas, how many tatts have you got?

    If the motherfucking lowlife UK elite attended to just ONE of the the hinter folks grievances, then Brexit wouldn't have happened. If all they did was tighten up illegal immigration a bit, Brexit wouldn't happen. But nope. The UK elite had to fuck everything up as badly as they could. Brexit was just a protest vote. Its fairly obvious that the UK elite are perfectly capable of fucking up the country without the EU now.

    Just convert your money into Euro's as soon as you get it. Because the Euro is going to hold its own. The EU is a huge trade creditor

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    Absolute horseshite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    I spent 11 years living in Germany during the 70s 80s and 90s. Marvelous times, living in a clean, well organised and affluent country. Enjoyable travel opportunities, and socially rewarding if one bothered to learn the language.
    Sorry to disappoint. No tattoos.
    But he lived in army barracks,that we're shit holes,and i really wasn't aware the Brits did army recruitment in Germany

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    If the motherfucking lowlife UK elite attended to just ONE of the the hinter folks grievances, then Brexit wouldn't have happened. If all they did was tighten up illegal immigration a bit
    BS, the Brits couldn't do FA, the European law courts are in favour of free movement, the Brits couldn't even deport many because there is so many loopholes to get around.

    Hence why they want free of many of the EU fuck ups........

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Sir Jim Ratcliffe
    Old news, he announced this last year, we have Arabs Russians and many other far wealthier people there now.

    and the West Brom owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    But he lived in army barracks,that we're shit holes,and i really wasn't aware the Brits did army recruitment in Germany
    It seems that there are a great many things that you are unaware of. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Old news, he announced this last year, we have Arabs Russians and many other far wealthier people there now.

    and the West Brom owner.
    As well informed as ever, chico.

    In other words, complete bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    If the motherfucking lowlife UK elite attended to just ONE of the the hinter folks grievances, then Brexit wouldn't have happened. If all they did was tighten up illegal immigration a bit, Brexit wouldn't happen. But nope. The UK elite had to fuck everything up as badly as they could. Brexit was just a protest vote. Its fairly obvious that the UK elite are perfectly capable of fucking up the country without the EU now.

    Just convert your money into Euro's as soon as you get it. Because the Euro is going to hold its own. The EU is a huge trade creditor
    The will be legal tender long after children ask their dads what a Euro was.


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    For the benefit of those board members who are citizens of former subject nations of the British empire, Brexit came about as the consequence of delegating parliamentary democracy to a credulous voting demographic significantly populated by the stupid, the deluded, the ignorant and the bigoted who by dint of happenstance contrived to be a slim majority on the day.

    The moral of the tale is, never hold referendums on serious issues, people are quite simply too stupid to understand the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    As well informed as ever, chico.

    In other words, complete bollocks.
    I thought you read the Guardian on a regular basis, keep up Squirrel

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    Christ, you really are a colossal idiot.

    You can barely communicate beyond the level of 'Gravy or Beans?'

    Do you even remember the contents of your post to which I was responding?

    Here's a clue, you simpleton...West Brom.

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    Squirrel tongue in cheek, try getting a sense of humour or install new CCTV must be agony when you go out......

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    You just post one idiotic non sequitur after another.

    Believe me, nobody laughs with you.

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    Jeez, as if Switch wasn't enough, we now have the vultures, Chico and Backspin, to devour the remains of Brexit.

    So when will BoJo pull the rabbit outta the hat and declare victory with a trade deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    The will be legal tender long after children ask their dads what a Euro was.

    Nope. Everyone loves to hate the Euro thanks to the loudspeaker of anti EU propaganda coming from the US and UK. Americans know nothing about Europe. But they all think the Euro currency is about to go poof. Yeah. The biggest creditor currency in the world, is gonna go poof. Fucking nonsense. This is coming from the 2 supreme dual debtors in the whole world. The US and UK

    So again. Anyone with brains converts their money into a creditor currency. I have a 100k worth of Euros myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    For the benefit of those board members who are citizens of former subject nations of the British empire, Brexit came about as the consequence of delegating parliamentary democracy to a credulous voting demographic significantly populated by the stupid, the deluded, the ignorant and the bigoted who by dint of happenstance contrived to be a slim majority on the day.

    The moral of the tale is, never hold referendums on serious issues, people are quite simply too stupid to understand the consequences.
    That's right. But it was the USA that spread the universal suffrage cancer around the world and into the UK itself.

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    Experts believe that, if the UK plays its cards right politically, a managed no deal could emerge.
    Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, is confident that if the crunch comes EU member states will strike bilateral side-deals with the UK to cushion the blow. “For now the Commission is taking a strong line, but EU member states will have to look after their own interests”, he predicts.
    So for all the catastrophist predictions, the reality of a no deal is likely to be disruptive, but not world-ending. Or in the earthy phrasing of a senior diplomat from an EU trading power: “No deal won't be an explosion, it will be a wet fart.”
    Finance & the City

    The EU is heavily reliant on the UK for financial services and capital, which means that regulators are already in the process of setting up a series of ‘mini-deals’ to avoid the risks posed to the City of London. A deal is already close to offer legal certainty to 41 trillion worth of derivatives contracts.




    If the EU Commission moved to support these deals – and in reality it will have little choice – the City will have what Bank of England Governor Mark Carney, has termed a “glass half-full” no deal situation. “It’s cold comfort, but it will be worse in Europe than it is here,” he told MPs.
    Still, even allowing stimulus measures such as cutting interest rates, house prices could take a significant hit. Economists believe no deal could shave at least two per cent off GDP by the end of 2020.
    It might not be a full-blown catastrophe, says Andrew Goodwin of Oxford Economics, but, no deal would still cause massive economic disruption and shake confidence.
    “Markets have only priced in 20-30 per cent chance of no deal. Obviously if no deal actually happened I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a 10 per cent drop in the value of sterling,” he says.
    Trade & Customs

    Without any formal trade deal, the UK would have to rely on WTO rules - in a model described by Brexiteers as an "Australia-style" relationship.
    However, the current default EU Commission position is “all relevant” EU legislation will apply to imports and exports, including tariffs, VAT and a total ban on food of animal origin until the UK registers as a ‘third country’. The result would be a virtual blockade.




    Already Dutch and French diplomats have clashed with the Commission on this approach, with one French diplomat angrily pointing out that it would require a 40 kilometre (25 mile) customs terminal to comply with necessary checks. The French government is already putting in place laws to give it extraordinary powers to temporarily recognise certifications of UK companies and workers.
    Similarly, when it comes to hauliers, the Commission is saying the UK must apply to a licence scheme that currently only cover 5 per cent of the volume of traffic. But again, affected member states including Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, Belgium and Ireland are pressing for more.
    So in a benign no deal scenario, the EU could introduce temporary measures to keep goods trade flowing, allowing the UK to register as a ‘third country’ in order to create a new legal base for exports. The UK has already said that it will not impose controls in the first instance.


    Alex Stojanovic of the Institute for Government says the door is open for the EU to create a fast track equivalence deal, of the kind it has with New Zealand for example, which obviates the need for a large number of checks.




    In this scenario there would still be costly frictions, and the UK would be at the mercy of the EU as how serious these would be. “They could do more, but you can’t predict whether they will,” he adds, “and in some areas it might not be in their interest to act.”
    Data

    UK Services trade with the EU was worth 89bn last year, all of which is heavily reliant on the ability to transfer data across borders. The UK has already put the EU’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) onto its statute book.
    For now the EU is refusing to say it will reciprocate the UK’s stated intention of allowing data to flow freely from the EU, but industry experts note that when the US-EU data Safe Harbour data deal collapsed the EU allowed a period of non-enforcement of its rules.
    Giles Derrington of Tech UK says the EU and UK are “increasingly looking at something similar” in the event of no-deal but even if a ‘data drawbridge’ did go up, other legal avenues such as ‘standard contract clauses’ are also available. These are not a fail-safe, but already cover some 80 per cent of personal data transfers.
    In short, in the right political environment, the data would keep flowing.




    Conclusion

    If a point is reached when no deal becomes inevitable, then the interests of both sides would become equally aligned in avoiding a catastrophic outcome.
    Even with temporary measures in place, the fundamental question of what future relationship Britain and the EU want – and how this can be squared with a mutual commitment to avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland will remain.
    A punishment approach from the European Union, beyond gratifying a short-term desire to demonstrate the bloc’s power, will not advance the search for answers.














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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Nope. Everyone loves to hate the Euro thanks to the loudspeaker of anti EU propaganda coming from the US and UK. Americans know nothing about Europe. But they all think the Euro currency is about to go poof. Yeah. The biggest creditor currency in the world, is gonna go poof. Fucking nonsense. This is coming from the 2 supreme dual debtors in the whole world. The US and UK

    So again. Anyone with brains converts their money into a creditor currency. I have a 100k worth of Euros myself

    Strange how the Americans ‘know nothing about Europe’ but the document you used to support this statement is from a US source? Weirdo.

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