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    S.A Quote If that catch is subjected to tariffs of 30%, or a boycott, by the EU then the British fishing industry will collapse in a month.

    Plus, if BoJo the Clown fucks the EU negotiations up then Nissan/Toyota and Airbus are out the door.

    More baseless supposition bereft of any fact as usual, which you have managed to turned into an art form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    S.A Quote If that catch is subjected to tariffs of 30%, or a boycott, by the EU then the British fishing industry will collapse in a month.

    Plus, if BoJo the Clown fucks the EU negotiations up then Nissan/Toyota and Airbus are out the door.

    More baseless supposition bereft of any fact as usual, which you have managed to turned into an art form.
    I haven't read the smallprint and probably wouldn't understand it anyway, but from published extracts it seems Nissan, Airbus and a couple of other large industries are locked in, haemorrhaging money and in a sorry state right now, having committed in exchange for what looked like lucrative concessions at the time, to remain operational in the UK until the exit agreement is finalised.

    Will be a while before they could just up and out, could still take years.

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    ^ Airbus losses first half of 2020 was ~$2.2bn.
    Airbus airliner production has dropped 40%.
    Airbus plans to cut 15,000 jobs.
    Airbus UK mainly manufactures wings at Broughton and Filton employing ~13,000.

    I wouldn't want to be one of those employed in the manufacturing of civil ailrliners, let alone one in the UK. The Airbus facility at Bremen could take over the complete wing assembly to cut down on costs.

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    I get the feeling that Boris didn't actually understand the implications of the WA that he signed up to. It's as if he has only just become aware of why he needs to get a trade agreement and the problems associated with not doing so.

    You can only ignore the obvious for so long....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I get the feeling that Boris didn't actually understand the implications of the WA that he signed up to.
    BoJo's entire life is built on irresponsibility and avoiding commitment.

    And yes, a train crash is coming.


    I also get the feeling that BREXITers here aren't following the news, and trying to pick holes in posts about subjects they haven't even informed themselves on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqwiril View Post
    BoJo's entire life is built on irresponsibility and avoiding commitment.

    And yes, a train crash is coming.

    I also get the feeling that BREXITers here aren't following the news, and trying to pick holes in posts about subjects they haven't even informed themselves on.
    What news should we be following, sqwiril, maybe the EU being stunned by our trade deal with Japan?

    I suppose we can expect, when you catch up on the news that is, some profound one liner to the effect that this doesn't solve all of the UKs problems. Meh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    What news should we be following, sqwiril, maybe the EU being stunned by our trade deal with Japan?

    I suppose we can expect, when you catch up on the news that is, some profound one liner to the effect that this doesn't solve all of the UKs problems. Meh!
    In order to share cyrilles political and economic opinions you should restrict your reading to the guardian. That way, your views will be similarly from a very restricted perspective. I suppose you could always apply for a job with the BBC where your views will be placed in an easily adopted strait jacket.
    Apparently, other media sources are available, but easily ignored based on your early years indoctrination.

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    Check out Blair whining about the latest moves to get out of the EU, in yesterdays Sunday Times.

    Was his rant designed to overshadow the UK/Japan deal?

    How about you, sqwiril, must be well on top of this seeing as you're life is blessed with news and more news, do you think Blair might wish to dilute the importance of this deal with a diversionary squawk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Check out Blair whining about the latest moves to get out of the EU, in yesterdays Sunday Times.

    Was his rant designed to overshadow the UK/Japan deal?

    How about you, sqwiril, must be well on top of this seeing as you're life is blessed with news and more news, do you think Blair might wish to dilute the importance of this deal with a diversionary squawk?
    Probably front page of the Mecca Times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    do you think Blair might wish to dilute the importance of this deal with a diversionary squawk?
    What importance?
    Britain had to agree to a no state-subsiding rule or what is also referred to as level playing field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    What importance?
    Britain had to agree to a no state-subsiding rule or what is also referred to as level playing field.
    So it's a terrible move because not all of our problems are resolved, right?

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    Ed Miliband really tore into Boris and this foolhardy bill.

    Any press reports suggesting Boris wasn't humiliated?

    Maybe the Jabber Times or the Daily Switch will jump to defend their hero....

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    Whilst being completely unaware of what they're actually defending them from, of course.

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    Official post-Brexit report warns of queues of 7,000 lorries in Kent

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/14/official-post-brexit-report-warns-of-queues-of-7000-lorries-in-kent

    The scale of disruption predicted to hit UK borders post-Brexit is revealed in confidential government documents warning of queues of 7,000 lorries in Kent, and two-day delays to cross into the EU.

    A “reasonable worst-case scenario” report, drawn up by the Border and Protocol Delivery Group, forecasts that thousands of passengers could also be forced to wait an extra two hours for Eurostar trains.

    Dated last week and seen by the Guardian, the 46-page document marked “official – sensitive” says that a core IT system for hauliers is not expected to be tested publicly until the end of November.

    With the UK leaving the customs union and the single market on 1 January, it means that border disruption could ensue whether or not the UK secures a trade deal with the EU.

    The document was presented to a meeting of the XO (exit operations) committee chaired by Michael Gove for decisions on the next stages of development in the border operating model, the goods vehicle management system and so-called “smart freight” software designed to regulate the flow of traffic into Kent and guard against congestion.

    It notes that preparations for new post-Brexit border operations are all-consuming, affecting 26 government departments using 100 IT systems. Some departments legally cannot share data with others, with legislation required to ensure information flow, the report says.

    On road haulage, it forecasts that 50-70% of large businesses will be ready for cross-border trade. When it comes to smaller businesses, it assumes that as few as 20-40% of small- to medium-sized businesses will know what to do from 1 January.

    In the reasonable worst-case scenario, in which 30-60% of lorries carrying freight are ready, Kent would be plunged into chaos, bringing disruption to businesses across the country.

    “It is estimated a maximum queue of 6,500 HGVs may develop in January,” the report says. “Disruption could be lower in the initial days of January but we would expect sustained disruption to worsen over the first two weeks as demand builds”, with people returning to work after the Christmas and New Year holidays.

    “Considering demand levels in the first week of February, it is estimated that if readiness does not improve by then, queues could reach a length of 7,000 HGVs. In each case it is estimated that HGVs could take two days to reach the front of the queue,” it says.

    Kent authorities have rebooted Operation Fennel, with contingency plans to cope with the queues, it adds. But their efforts will be frustrated unless the smart freight system – a web portal operating a red, amber and green traffic light system for hauliers – is working on time.

    Only those given the green light, after passing a documentations test, will be given a Kent access permit. The document reveals the system will not go into a public beta testing phase until the end of November, leaving little time to launch it fully or train drivers and their customers.

    “Smart freight is all great in theory but how are they going to weed out the drivers who haven’t got the green light?” said an industry source. “Even if they use automatic number plate recognition technology, how are they going to stop trucks just driving into Kent thinking they will finish the paperwork when they get there? Do they have enforcement officers pulling people over? Do all trucks have to go to a lorry park for clearance? This is why you hear people talking about a border within Kent. But these questions have not been answered by the government yet.”

    The report piles pressure on the government to decide and publicise plans for lorry parks across the country where support can be provided in the early days. So far it has only confirmed one, in Ashford in Kent, with legislation passed on 4 September to give powers to build others in 29 council areas.

    It calls for advice centres to be set up across the country, with 39 sites identified at truck stop and service stations on all main motorways including the M6, M40, M1 and M20.

    These should be equipped with printers to help hauliers who do not have the right documentation prepare for their onward journey to ports in Kent, Portsmouth, Holyhead and Felixstowe among others, it says. But insiders say if they don’t also have customs clearance at these sites then “there isn’t much point to them”.

    With fewer than four months to go before the end of the Brexit transition period on 31 December, the document also notes that ongoing work at the Department for Transport to provide the advice centres “is currently unfunded” with a parallel treasury bid for 18.5m still in development.

    It recommends that a “Border Impact Centre (BIC)” is set up by 31 December to help national and local authorities get to grips with the change in border-destined traffic. Technical discussions with France may not start until the end of September, although the document explores the option of Kent authorities co-locating with France’s “Lille crisis cell” to jointly manage the potential chaos on the roads.

    Passengers on Eurostar and at airports could also face “significant disruption” if UK nationals are not allowed to use e-gates. This would not be the default in a no-deal scenario.

    Modelling from last year indicated that new border controls at the Eurostar gates at London’s St Pancras station “could lead to queues of many thousands”, the document says. It adds that Eurostar “has committed to mitigate this scenario, including in extremis cancelling services”.

    A Cabinet Office spokesperson said: “As a responsible government we continue to make extensive preparations for a wide range of scenarios, including the reasonable worst case. This is not a forecast or prediction of what will happen but rather a stretching scenario. It reflects a responsible government ensuring we are ready for all eventualities.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/202
    consider the source. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    consider the source. lol
    Dated last week and seen by the Guardian, the 46-page document marked “official – sensitive”

    what is there to lol about? The whole article is based on the contents of an official document.

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    It's all he's got.

    'lol'


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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Dated last week and seen by the Guardian, the 46-page document marked “official – sensitive”

    what is there to lol about? The whole article is based on the contents of an official document.
    WRONG. It is based on Guardian interpretation of ‘assumptions’ ‘possibilities’ and ‘estimates’ cherry picked from said document.
    It is not entitled post brexit either, that is the cover for this Guardian supposed expose.
    Thats why Cyrille is so amusing. Belittling lazyy shorthand is all he has really. lol ��

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    The impact upon freight movement was predicted soon after 2016 when Brxit became the reality and folk realised the extent of the danger facing industry and traders in the event of a right wing coup by the Kipper/Tory nazi nutjobs.

    Three million lorries transit Dover alone each year. The new customs protocols currently being implemented by HMRC will cost exporters over 16 billions as estimated by the D. of Transport/HMRC/CBI. That guesstimated queue in Kent is way short of the reality.

    If the Kipper/Nutter gang have their way then the entire system will effectively grind to a halt and the convoys will extend back to the M25.

    I really do hope the EU walk away after yesterday's vote on the Fuck the GFA bill and give Cummings what he wants.

    Watching the lower end English Brxit trash crying in their Wetherspoons ale will be exquisite and when Nissan bail out of Monkey-land GeordieTykeshire I shall crack open a bottle of Prosecco. Champagne will follow Airbus's departure from Broughton/Filton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The impact upon freight movement was predicted soon after 2016 when Brxit became the reality and folk realised the extent of the danger facing industry and traders in the event of a right wing coup by the Kipper/Tory nazi nutjobs.

    Three million lorries transit Dover alone each year. The new customs protocols currently being implemented by HMRC will cost exporters over 16 billions as estimated by the D. of Transport/HMRC/CBI. That guesstimated queue in Kent is way short of the reality.

    If the Kipper/Nutter gang have their way then the entire system will effectively grind to a halt and the convoys will extend back to the M25.

    I really do hope the EU walk away after yesterday's vote on the Fuck the GFA bill and give Cummings what he wants.

    Watching the lower end English Brxit trash crying in their Wetherspoons ale will be exquisite and when Nissan bail out of Monkey-land GeordieTykeshire I shall crack open a bottle of Prosecco. Champagne will follow Airbus's departure from Broughton/Filton.
    the stupid Brexit losers still don't get it, like typical Brits and stupid chavs, they think they have the upper hand, while in fact they are being fooked in the ass

    think of Brexit, as the Indian moment when GB lost the place

    can't wait for Bojo to surrender and do a full 180 when the right time comes

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    The problem with all marks who swallow the hook that conned them is that it isn't until the moment they actually lose their money that they comprehend they were duped by lies and their credulous gullibility and stupidity.

    Brexit supporters were never a demographic noted for their perspicacity being mostly the stupid, the illiterate, the dull-brained, the deluded, the ignorant and the geriatric prejudiced bigot so it is scarcely surprising that they are still clinging to their idiocy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The problem with all marks who swallow the hook that conned them is that it isn't until the moment they actually lose their money that they comprehend they were duped by lies and their credulous gullibility and stupidity.

    Brexit supporters were never a demographic noted for their perspicacity being mostly the stupid, the illiterate, the dull-brained, the deluded, the ignorant and the geriatric prejudiced bigot so it is scarcely surprising that they are still clinging to their idiocy.
    Pure hyperbole and hatred, cused by baseless assumptions, all created in your mind, to be issued whenever challenged on a complete absence of facts.
    Perhaps the reason you have no friends, is your attitude of clinging to your vainglorious attempts to convince yourself that you are right.

    Wait and see, you silly old anachronism.The world no longer turns on the stroke of your CS pen.

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    Give over, you silly dribbling buffoon. The entire world trade bloc, US Congress, the EU, Ireland, the CBI and spokespersons for a plethora of SMEs and manufacturers have all warned BoJo and his rabble to re-consider their stupidity.

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    Oh dear what a shame

    Amal Clooney has quit her role as the UK's envoy on press freedom "in dismay" at the government's willingness to break international law over Brexit.

    The human rights lawyer said it was "lamentable" for Boris Johnson to be contemplating overriding the Brexit agreement he signed last year.

    She could not tell others to honour legal obligations when the UK "declares it does not intend to do so itself".

    The PM says he does not want to use the powers in the Internal Market Bill.

    But he says the legislation is necessary to give the government the power to protect the UK and, particularly, Northern Ireland if trade talks fail and the EU acts "unreasonably".

    In her resignation letter, Mrs Clooney, who is married to Hollywood actor George Clooney, said she had accepted the job last year because of the UK's historic role in upholding the international legal order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Give over, you silly dribbling buffoon. The entire world trade bloc, US Congress, the EU, Ireland, the CBI and spokespersons for a plethora of SMEs and manufacturers have all warned BoJo and his rabble to re-consider their stupidity.
    My premise is not your lack of knowledge, just your biased understanding of it. and the distinct lack of facts to prove your chosen assumptions Cherry picker.

    Please fuck off and don’t come back until the dust has settled. I for one, have had more than enough of your witless conjecture. It proves only what a massive fuckwit you are.

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