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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
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    You silly bugger....
    I am working with Spanish and Italians and Brits..
    Guess which country no-one is returning to..
    Guess which one isn't allowed to visit...

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    What has that got to do with the numbers Troy, nothing. The true scale of deaths worldwide will never emerge but Italy, France and Spain will lie through their teeth over any stat, its in their DNA ya muppet.

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    ^ With access to an emergency fund they will err on the high side.

    Just face it, the UK has handled Covid very badly and worse than on the continent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Just face it, the UK has handled Covid very badly and worse than on the continent.
    I agree, but i still don't believe the numbers.

    Anyway back to Brexit. Boris is encouraging the EU to up their pace in negotiations, he really doesn't understand the EU and their propensity for foot dragging.

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    They’ve surreptitiously bought up a massive site outside Ashford, Kent for the mountainous bureaucracy that will be needed at customs though.

    A rare example of forward planning for actual reality, rather than the pifflewaffle about seamless entry and exit that bojo has been spouting.

    Raab’s mind, such as it is, has doubtless been blown at the scale of it all.

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    ^ Let's spend some more money...705m this time on new infrastructure that isn't going to be completed by Christmas.

    At least the cheap labour problem will be fixed with the Turkey trade deal...

    Lose - lose for the Brexit voting crowd.

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    Haven't been following this of late.

    How about the Canzuk deal that a good one innit.

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    ^ The UK want tariff free and quota free trade with the EU as well as access to the EU Security database.

    CETA includes tariffs and quotas and does not give access to the EU security database.

    Dead duck innit....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Dead duck innit....
    Fcuk the EU off now. Why waste time?

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    ^ System 2 thinking is not one of your strong points is it...

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    On a different note, I wonder what the bog hoppers will do seeing as most of their trade with the EU goes overland via the U.K. One would imagine that will cause a few problems at the EU border sorting out what comes from where. I'm sure the wonderfully organised EU will have that done and dusted already providing the UK is charitable enough to let them use UK roads and infrastructure next year. It would be rather a sticky wicket (and expensive) if they made them sea freight the whole journey. I'm sure Leo will be understanding of any new UK rules (when he gets his old job back) as he has been quite the one for EU rules and regulations.

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    That slimy bastard Gove is the worst of these untrustworthy reptiles. "There will be no lorry parks built at Dover" he 'reassures' everyone.

    Because it will be built just outside Ashford.

    Hope those who voted for BREXIT and live nearby like them apples.

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    There of course will be no end of proofs reaffirming the stupidity of the Brexit morons as the foolishness of the referendum result continues to unfold.
    The latest evidence of the imbecility of it all is the calculation of the new bureaucratic costs to businesses that will be payable under the Tory regime of fettered trade between Brexitania and the EU. These are estimated to be in the region of 13 billion annually but that assumes each exporter and importer processes their own paperwork. Given many will choose to employ a freight forwarding agent the final costs will almost certainly increase to 15 billions, all of which will have to be passed onto the customer.

    We intelligent always knew the value of the single market and the customs union proving the worth of unfettered trade but sometimes when one is dealing with the lumpen stupid they have to see the damage before they can comprehend it - a bit like chopping off their leg before they understand what amputation entails.

    And one hasn't even quantified the management and employment costs of those new customs depots to be scattered about the country.

    Makes that annual 9 billion net payment to the EU look like chickenfeed.

    Turning back the clock 47 years is of course worth it.

    So, what is it again that Britain is now free to sell it couldn't trade before Brexit?

    Oh, hang on, it wasn't the trade factor that made leaving the EU worth it, was it? It was getting rid of all that red tape...........



    Honestly, you Brexiteers make Isaan Somchais look like fucking Einsteins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    There of course will be no end of proofs reaffirming the stupidity of the Brexit morons as the foolishness of the referendum result continues to unfold.
    The latest evidence of the imbecility of it all is the calculation of the new bureaucratic costs to businesses that will be payable under the Tory regime of fettered trade between Brexitania and the EU. These are estimated to be in the region of 13 billion annually but that assumes each exporter and importer processes their own paperwork. Given many will choose to employ a freight forwarding agent the final costs will almost certainly increase to 15 billions, all of which will have to be passed onto the customer.

    We intelligent always knew the value of the single market and the customs union proving the worth of unfettered trade but sometimes when one is dealing with the lumpen stupid they have to see the damage before they can comprehend it - a bit like chopping off their leg before they understand what amputation entails.

    And one hasn't even quantified the management and employment costs of those new customs depots to be scattered about the country.

    Makes that annual 9 billion net payment to the EU look like chickenfeed.

    Turning back the clock 47 years is of course worth it.

    So, what is it again that Britain is now free to sell it couldn't trade before Brexit?

    Oh, hang on, it wasn't the trade factor that made leaving the EU worth it, was it? It was getting rid of all that red tape...........



    Honestly, you Brexiteers make Isaan Somchais look like fucking Einsteins.
    More vague “predictions” from the journal of a repetitive loser.
    The UK rejected your application for domicile, so you are not just a repetitive loser, you are a bad one too.
    How many more times can you make the same sad and bitter post, before you become convinced that no amount of “predictions” will change the fact that you are a vile and embittered loser?

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    It's not a prediction, it's a statement of fact, you silly old frazzled duffer.
    From 1 January 21 all UK companies and traders exporting to, or importing from, the EU, remember over 49% of everything manufactured in UK is exported there, will have to complete customs declaration forms. The HMRC are resourcing this on the basis of an average company completing up to 400 such declarations a year with the averaged cost of each being fixed at 32.50

    All of this will be a new on-cost that will be passed on to the consumer or absorbed by the company in order to remain competitive but either way, it's a fucking cost that was not payable before Brexit.

    Why are Brexiteers so stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    It's not a prediction, it's a statement of fact, you silly old frazzled duffer.
    From 1 January 21 all UK companies and traders exporting to, or importing from, the EU, remember over 49% of everything manufactured in UK is exported there, will have to complete customs declaration forms. The HMRC are resourcing this on the basis of an average company completing up to 400 such declarations a year with the averaged cost of each being fixed at 32.50

    All of this will be a new on-cost that will be passed on to the consumer or absorbed by the company in order to remain competitive but either way, it's a fucking cost that was not payable before Brexit.

    Why are Brexiteers so stupid?
    Read your own post again. It is all speculation, prediction and whatiffery. Not a single fact in evidence. Keep positing new theories if it makes you happy.
    Have you sold your proxy overpriced flat yet?

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    Have you not read the relevant websites, you doddery old buffoon.

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    ^ Clearly Chas hasn't.

    The new paperwork required is enough to scare the Vogons...

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    Dimmer Switch clearly has a thirst for information right up there with BoJo's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Dimmer Switch clearly has a thirst for information right up there with BoJo's.
    Quick chaps. Run away now and invest in a third world country, known for persistent dictatorships, oh wait .......

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    Funny really. The UK has been accused of being divisive in the EU but was used by the Northern group as a whipping boy but now we aren't there its civil war in the EU and no sense prevails.
    Last edited by NamPikToot; 20-07-2020 at 04:32 AM.

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    And examples of ‘civil war in the EU’ are..?

    None of them seem to be mentioned in reliable news sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    And examples of ‘civil war in the EU’ are..?

    None of them seem to be mentioned in reliable news sources.
    When you say ''reliable", I guess that you're referencing that font of all things anti UK and Brexit, The Guardian. This from this morning:

    EU leaders in bitter clash over Covid-19 recovery package | World news | The Guardian

    Personally I prefer the less rancid, more balanced comments of The Times:

    €750bn coronavirus rescue fund in chaos as EU squabbles over purse strings | News | The Times

    Civil war isn't an apt description, however there is no doubt that thinly papered over cracks in supposed unity are becoming more than a little apparent. Agreeing the format for the recovery fund, as well as the next 7 year budget is going to compound the acrimony and feed the nationalist elements throughout the EU. More power will be devolved to the Commission, giving respective leaders an easy 'out' with much wringing of hands and cries of 'they made me do it!'.

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    So we agree then, there is nothing remotely resembling a 'civil war' in the EU.

    Just manoeuvring over who pays what in and who gets what's paid in.

    Which, since it's a block formed largely for economic purposes and contains countries in very disparate circumstances, is totally par for the course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    Civil war isn't an apt description,
    Neither are the headlines in your links..
    There has been tough negotiations over how much of the rescue fund should be grant and how much should be loans and such tough negotiations are healthy for EU.
    Germany and the southerners want 400+350 (grants+loans) while the "frugal" countries said not more than 350 in grants.
    They have now upped their bid to 375+375 which is likely to be the outcome. That and peace in the valley without a single shot being fired..
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