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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ Actually it is "you must adopt our rules if you want to cherry pick benefits" and the UK wanting the benefits for free.
    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    ^ all a matter of perspective dear chap, but then isn't that negotiation.
    Actually, not a matter of perspective of anything, rather pure fact. The UK had more opt-outs than anyone else while enjoying the same enefots and more.

    No need to change history by saying it's a matter of 'perspective'. Anyway, the Brits have stuffed up in such an amateurish manner these past few years in negotiations, it's laughable were it not sad.

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    ^ what are you going on about, I an talking about perspective across the negotiating table, set against each sides current stance. You are right ref the first three years as they were not negotiations, that was the EU telling May what she would get, Boris ripped that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    I an talking about perspective across the negotiating table
    The UK wants the benefits of the EU without agreeing to the four freedoms of the EU.

    It's just not going to happen.

    It isn't a wily negotiatiating tactic. It's timewasting bullshit.

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    OK Syb, well the EU isn't going to get what it wants either but then we've been over this ground ad nauseam - they want to impose regulation and jursidiction on the UK that they don't with other trading partners - the UK is not accepting this as an independent country and so your perspective of this is time wasting then your are entitled to view it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    they want to impose regulation and jursidiction on the UK that they don't with other trading partners - the UK is not accepting this as an independent country
    The UK is not coming to the table with anything other than 'we want the good bits without the commitments'.

    That isn't a matter of perspective, it's a fact.

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    ^ Is it, or is the UK looking at other deals the EU has stuck and reminding them they didn't impose the restrictions on those countries that are seeking to impose on the UK. See it is perspective. The EU has backed itself into this stance, one it has not taken in other deals so who is being unreasonable. Anyway no need to get riled its a Friday, day off you, kick back and enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    the EU telling May what she would get, Boris ripped that up.
    May might have gotten something done . . . Boris will get nothing good done. Everything he has been blustering about has failed and his usual guffaw 'bad Europe' is wearing thin. This constant 'May's fault', 'EU's fault' is childish.

    You want out of the EU? So get out. Do a no-neg Brexit and get screwed by anyone else you want to secure deals with as untrustworthy

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    PH you also seem to be getting quite excited, lets hope calmer heads sit around the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    PH you also seem to be getting quite excited, lets hope calmer heads sit around the table.
    Not at all . . . I haven't posted here for weeks and weeks . . . plus, it's the week-end

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    May might have gotten something done . . . Boris will get nothing good done. Everything he has been blustering about has failed and his usual guffaw 'bad Europe' is wearing thin. This constant 'May's fault', 'EU's fault' is childish.

    You want out of the EU? So get out. Do a no-neg Brexit and get screwed by anyone else you want to secure deals with as untrustworthy
    May would have capitulated to the EU, leaving the majority of the UK population deeply upset, a snap election due to civil unrest and Labour forming the next Government complete with Corbyn as Prime Minister. Many of the existing trade agreements that the EU has in place with other countries have already been replicated by the UK. WRT wanting out of the EU? So get out. That's precisely what BoJo is doing. The 30th June deadline for requesting an extension has come and gone. The UK's Civil Service is getting a long overdue shake up, with the procrastinators and hand wringers being sidelined.

    Not quite sure what you mean by 'untrustworthy'. The terms of the Withdrawal Agreement will be upheld. The political declaration provided the framework for a long term relationship which had to be negotiated. The EU's constant requirement for the UK to remain tied to it's laws and courts in return for a advantageous trade deal just isn't going to cut it. Their refusal to put in place the same terms for the UK as they did for Canada because of geographical proximity is ludicrous.

    No country on earth (well, maybe China) is going to be resurgent economically post Covid, however the UK will have the ability to make the fiscal choices of it's own without the added burden of being part of the EU's recovery budget. Already the cracks are widening with their strategy, loans versus grants, and as usual the more prudent northern European countries expected to pick up the tab. This of course whilst the EU hasn't yet resolved it's actual budget for the next five years, post UK leaving, with again the Dutch/Danes/Swedes/Germans digging deeper into their pockets.

    Focus now will be on the administrative and physical challenges come the 1st January. The plan for NI/mainland shipping documentation has been resolved to the satisfaction of the NI business community (you don't' see much mention of that in The Guardian), more than 3 million EU citizens in the UK have already received either Settled or Pre-Settled status.

    Covid has also highlighted the Med countries reliance on tourism, particularly Spain, from the UK especially. Not really conceivable that obstacles will be put in place against Brit tourists anywhere in the Med.

    The EU's ace in the hole re the financial sector and 'equivalence' gets a kick in the balls in light of German company 'Wirecard' and its missing billions.

    No, easy it's not going to be, but at least the UK's destiny will be in its own hands rather than Brussels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    the UK's destiny will be in its own hands
    Well, not exactly.

    It'll be in the hands of a bumbling incompetent with a track record for only ever acting in his own short term interests in both his public and private life.

    At least we can say now that the majority of the people have asked for it, and even now they are only coming to terms gradually with their own rank stupidity.

    But that's the way it is with stupidity, as BREXITers demonstrate here daily across a spectrum of issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    ^ what are you going on about, I an talking about perspective across the negotiating table, set against each sides current stance. You are right ref the first three years as they were not negotiations, that was the EU telling May what she would get, Boris ripped that up.
    In other words the UK has reneged on its promises that initiated the second phase of Brexit. Now respect has been lost at the negotiations and the UK will have difficulty getting anything for free.

    The European security databases are going to require UK to back down. Fisheries, where UK market is mainly Europe and perishable goods means little alternative market without major investment means UK will have to back down.
    The alternative WTO is a disaster that is slowly (very slowly for some TD members) sinking in.

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    Well Troy, the EU is clearly unhappy that the plain sailing under May is a memory - you call it renege but i think rejecting a position that is untenable carries more respect and sets the proper tone for an independent nation than being a vassal state tied inextricably to, but having no say in a block it has left. Anyway you faux EU citizens seem to be getting awfully worked up over something that you've all left..the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    The UK wants the benefits of the EU without agreeing to the four freedoms of the EU.

    It's just not going to happen.

    It isn't a wily negotiatiating tactic. It's timewasting bullshit.
    Surely irrelevant to someone eeking out a living on the TEFL circuit, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Well, not exactly.

    It'll be in the hands of a bumbling incompetent with a track record for only ever acting in his own short term interests in both his public and private life.

    At least we can say now that the majority of the people have asked for it, and even now they are only coming to terms gradually with their own rank stupidity.

    But that's the way it is with stupidity, as BREXITers demonstrate here daily across a spectrum of issues.
    Your opinion of the current government and brexit voters is both pointless and irrelevant.
    Repeating it is boring, and changes nothing.
    Time to STFU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
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    You're clearly in need of some online tuition, Rodent.

    I look forward to you ceasing any input on the Trump threads and anything else concerning places where you do not live.

    Alternatively just continue being a silly twat like chas, who criticises others as being disqualified from the discussion...from Bali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Well Troy, the EU is clearly unhappy that the plain sailing under May is a memory - you call it renege but i think rejecting a position that is untenable carries more respect and sets the proper tone for an independent nation than being a vassal state tied inextricably to, but having no say in a block it has left. Anyway you faux EU citizens seem to be getting awfully worked up over something that you've all left..the UK.
    Unlike many, I remain a UK citizen and have not opted for dual nationality. As such, it matters little where I live at the moment.

    Brexit is done as far as most are concerned. Off you go and take your crap with you. That's the current attitude. UK food products are hard to find, products don't come with instructions in English. Nobody wants to go to the Covid ridden pastures across the channel. No one cares any longer. That's the position the UK is in when negotiating. That's reality.

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    Careful Troy...just commenting on something is apparently 'getting awfully worked up' in numpty's lexicon.


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    Brexit in truth had nothing to do with the pantomime gibberish of breaking free from some imaginary autocratic feudal megadeath state but was the very important prerequisite to the Americanisation of British society in which the total monetisation of its culture is the Holy Grail.

    The agenda was made even clearer when Goebbels Cummings announced that he was abolishing the Cabinet Office and dismantling the hierarchy of the civil service in order to replace government with BoJo the Clown as titular President but relinquishing power to a coterie of politically appointed special advisors to lead government governments in accordance with policies developed by these unelected but economically powerful figures who will embed a new regime following the doctrine of political nepotism, cronyism and corruption - it has already begun with a former whiskey salesman now in charge of Security, a housing minister on the payroll of a property developer and a home secretary now acting as consultant to foreign powers and the betting industry.

    The thing is, there is a form of checks-and-balances at play in the US where individual states wield great power in how their citizens live but this is not replicated in the UK and thus the new Tory/Cummings regime is all the more dangerous.

    Essentially, there is a revolution coming in governance in which all public appointments will be in the pocket of politicians.

    Quitting the EU was the first step in Goebbels Cummings plan for the new Brexitania.

    Interesting times ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Careful Troy...just commenting on something is apparently 'getting awfully worked up' in numpty's lexicon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Nobody wants to go to the Covid ridden pastures across the channel. No one cares any longer. That's the position the UK is in when negotiating. That's reality.
    Yeah Syb, there's no spite in there at all, none from you either or Sausages ... its clear none of you care its amazing you feel the need to comment so much on a country you don't care about..or more accurately seem to hate along with its people.

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    ^^ to sum up - Boris is having a long overdue clear out and addressing the issue of Whitehall CS leeches - Sausages isn't happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    You're clearly in need of some online tuition, Rodent.
    Okay TEFL'er...

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    Okay TEFL'er...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post


    You're clearly in need of some online tuition, Rodent.

    I look forward to you ceasing any input on the Trump threads and anything else concerning places where you do not live.

    Alternatively just continue being a silly twat like chas, who criticises others as being disqualified from the discussion...from Bali.
    Incorrect again. You are the most boring useless thundercunt on this forum, especially when it comes to anything to do with brexit and UK politics.
    As I am a uk taxpayer and support my family in Uk, I am entitled to an opinion.

    What qualifies you to spout socialist smug shitcunt crap on here?

    Now STFU turd.

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