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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Labour government in five years for sure.
    Where have we heard all this before. Oh yeah on Teakdoors. And where's 'Fluttersby'? Wasn't long ago since he wuz claiming Boris would be rushing to the EU wanting an extension to avoid a hard Brexit. Here's a video just for him. Can't wait to play it again in December.
    The song must have been written by a clairvoyant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    The song must have been written by a clairvoyant.
    You've obviously spent a while pondering the lyrics.

    'We're heading to Venus but maybe they've seen us' seems particularly prescient.

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    Mmmmmm tasty

    Minister says laws barring chlorinated chicken 'won't change' after US trade deal despite No 10 dropping pledge

    The environment secretary has said laws barring chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef "won't change" to secure a trade deal with the US - despite a previous pledge to maintain the ban being dropped by No 10.


    George Eustice said the UK was not "under any obligation" to change its approach amid concerns from farmers and campaigners that the government could lower standards on imported produce as part of trade with the US.


    Donald Trump's administration has made it clear that it will not allow American farmers to be disadvantaged in a US-UK trade deal, with US trade representative Robert Lighthizer describing concerns about farming practices as "thinly veiled protectionism".


    Ministers are said to have put forward a "dual tariff" plan to Washington, that would allow US food producers to sell products that does not comply with British standards if they paid higher levies.


    The move would mark a significant loosening of the current rules, where the UK complies with strict European welfare and sanitary standards.


    Asked to guarantee that UK law would not change, Mr Eustice told the Today programme: "I can't bind the hands of any future government, as you will know.


    "This government is clear, we were the ones that brought across the prohibition on the use of washes such as chlorine and hormones in beef and we won't change that."


    Mr Eustice said the UK had to be "open to considering approaches that other countries might bring to us" under trading rules but "we're not under any obligation to change it".


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-brexit-us-trade-deal-hormone-beef-a9586666.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Ministers are said to have put forward a "dual tariff" plan to Washington, that would allow US food producers to sell products that does not comply with British standards if they paid higher levies.

    The move would mark a significant loosening of the current rules, where the UK complies with strict European welfare and sanitary standards.
    Britain is willing to sacrifice its principles and good standards in return for cash. No surprise, the writing has been on the wall for a couple of years.
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    The British lower end, and the corporate carpetbaggers leeching off them, are usually content to eat trash if it is priced keenly enough.

    The EU was a fine benchmark enforcing standards based on public health needs whilst satisfying the demands of a diverse consumer base which appreciates quality, variety and competition.

    Now Britain has forsaken its position within this bloc it is inevitable the domestic market will polarise between cheap shit for the lumpen masses and quality EU and niche British products for the minority with healthy disposable incomes.

    I foresaw saw this, together with the economic downturn, four years ago but the sheer speed with which the lumpen Brexit dross has spread itself in all its brutish ignorance and bigoted glory throughout English society has been quite impressive. The 2016 referendum conferred power onto the mob and now it has free rein to do as it wishes with impunity taking their cue from their leaders as they too do as they please.

    The scenes of civil commotion over the past week, the growing realisation that the Tory filth are operating to their own laws of do-as-I-say,not-as-I-do, and the ever apparent truth that the government created a COVID massacre that is to rise yet again, all point to the disintegration of modern Britain as we knew it.

    This winter will see economic carnage and even more insurrection as the English realise they are truly fucked by the Brexit Tory lies.

    Rule Brexitania!

    = $1.23, EUR 1.10 and 37 Baht.

    Yep, that Brexit Sterling devaluation was only a temporary blip for sure.

    Har, har.

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    Brexit Negotiations Summary

    Rnd 1 - EU "you must adopt all our red lines" UK - "we left the EU so sorry we can't"

    Rnd 2 - EU "you must adopt all our red lines" UK - "we left the EU so sorry we can't"

    Rnd 3 - EU "you must adopt all our red lines" UK - "we left the EU so sorry we can't"

    Rnd 4 - EU "you must adopt all our red lines" UK - "we left the EU so sorry we can't"


    getting through it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The EU was a fine benchmark enforcing standards based on public health needs whilst satisfying the demands of a diverse consumer base which appreciates quality, variety and competition.
    One complaint I do have is that in the EU food is allowed to be packaged the same but contain different ingredients "to allow for tastes in different countries". It has allowed certain companies to export crap packaged as something that is decent.

    Not going into specific examples but there are a lot of complaints in the Czech Republic of substandard German food products being sold in the supermarket.

    Disgraceful behaviour in my opinion.

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    Sir Mark Sedwill: UK's top civil servant steps down

    No great loss but we'll still have to pay for the leech, a massive pension and daily allowance on top....the clean out of self serving scum continues.




    The UK's top civil servant Sir Mark Sedwill has confirmed he plans to stand down from the role in September.

    In a letter to Boris Johnson, he said it was the right time to go as the government moved to the next phase of its coronavirus recovery plan.

    His other role as national security adviser will be taken by Mr Johnson's chief Brexit adviser David Frost.

    His exit follows reports of tensions between him and senior members of Boris Johnson's team.

    Dominic Cummings, regarded as the Prime Minister's most influential political adviser, has long called for an overhaul of the civil service.

    And in a speech on Saturday, Michael Gove, attacked what he called "group think" within its ranks.

    Announcement about Sir Mark Sedwill’s departure expected at around 6pm - Govt will return to having a separate Cabinet Sec + National Security Adviser - Sedwill won’t go straight away but big news in govt circles

    A number of top civil servants have either left their posts or are set to depart in the coming months after the Conservatives' resounding election victory in December.

    Philip Rutnam is suing the Home Office for unfair dismissal after quitting in February while Simon McDonald is leaving the Foreign Office in September following its merger with the Department for International Development.

    As cabinet secretary, Sir Mark advised the PM on implementing policy and the conduct of government.

    A career diplomat, he served as Ambassador to Afghanistan during a 20-year career in the Foreign Office, he took over as cabinet secretary at short notice following Sir Jeremy Heywood's death in November 2018.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53210773

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    ^ how is his resignation related to Brexit?
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    This senseless posting of disparate news items still serves a purpose even if nothing of any relevance might be contributed to the debate in that the degree of ignorance and stupidity of the idiots putting them up, particularly when they offer a commentary, provides an insight into just where their prejudices lie.

    I actually do think these cretins truly believe the country runs by itself.

    Still, of interest is the appointment of Frost as Sedwill's replacement as security adviser, a post created by Cameron in 2010. The thing is Heywood's tragic early death was a real blow in that his ability to imbue sense into ministers was almost verging on the spiritual and in truth no one expected Sedwill to fill his boots particularly at such short notice. Certainly, Sedwill was not the person to accept the buffoonery of BoJo and his devious eccentric propagandist Dommo Cummings but his appointment as cabinet secretary only came about because of May who liked him.

    Security adviser is seemingly very much a fiefdom of the FCO and that tradition is evidently reinforced by Frost's appointment, a career diplomat albeit with an EU bias. So, is a new negotiator to be appointed in his place or will he continue to wear two hats as Sedwill did. I think it is clear that BoJo does not know what he wants from the current EU negotiation process and lurches from bombast to piffle waffle with tedious regularity whenever direction is required. In any case, it is a mess but then, this is the worst government in political history.

    I understand Simon Case is favoured by BoJo as a possible cabinet secretary but he s young and relatively green in that he has never run a big department but he is a conciliator and evidently has considerable charm. I think Goebbels Cummings will see him as a malleable persona and more likely to fall in with his eccentricities.

    Sedwill will presumably take early retirement but at 55 it is very much a waste.

    What is very amusing is Gove's idiocy in describing the civil service hierarchy as casualties of 'groupthink', as if the current Tory cabinet was not anything but a bunch of tenth raters united in the desire to lick a Clown's anus clean every day. Gove is clearly insane.

    From reading some of the press reports it seems the new cabinet secretary is indeed to be a permanent secretary appointed by due process and BoJo has
    conceded this in return for rubber stamping Frost's appointment. Simon Case is to remain the permanent secretary at No 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    how is his resignation related to Brexit?
    He's just half cut and blinded by his pathological need to get under someone's skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    He's just half cut and blinded by his pathological need to get under someone's skin.
    Wrong again Syb but well done for exposing your lack of comprehension ..again. Who's taking over the security slot and what do you think that indicated about his current workload for Sept onwards.

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    Brexit Extension deadline day tomorrow, where is Buttfly i hope he brings his humble pie ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Brexit Extension deadline day tomorrow, where is Buttfly i hope he brings his humble pie ?
    Anyone got any idea as to how it will go?

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    Well its obvious we'll extend and open ourselves up to bailing out further Billions to the EU machine....or not.

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    Nothing will be decided tomorrow, the decision was taken two weeks ago.

    "There will no extension of the Brexit transition period beyond December 31, 2020, meaning that the European Union and the UK will have to strike a deal in just six months to avoid Britain crashing out of the bloc without one."

    https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/15/...alks-next-week
    May the bridges I burn light my way

    There is no plan for no deal because we're going to get a great deal - Boris Johnson in HoC 11 July 2017

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    Merkel has already read the funeral notices......Britain will have to live with the consequences of its decision to part company with the community.

    RIP.

    After four years, it's the end and a shambolic farce.

    Still, once the blood, bone and gristle is washed away with the rotten carcass of post-Brexit, broken down Britain, the Tories will be unelectable for another decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Merkel has already read the funeral notices......Britain will have to live with the consequences of its decision to part company with the community.
    She has the same remarkable gift as you for stating the obvious. The shambles was generated by your Remainer chums in the commons and civil service not abiding by the democratic decision and then compounded by a display of the most inept negotiating by May and her cronies. We could and should have shaved 3 years off this process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    The shambles was generated by your Remainer chums in the commons and civil service not abiding by the democratic decision and then compounded by a display of the most inept negotiating by May and her cronies. We could and should have shaved 3 years off this process.
    Well said NPT.



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    I do love it when the lumpen English get on their high horse of sanctimony preaching the primacy of their sacrosanct version of democracy which denied the 3 million people most affected by the referendum the opportunity to vote on the matter, a democracy that seemingly excludes the merest suggestion the outcome can be challenged by the same process or that its implementation can even be questioned. Most amusing, a bit like watching those adverts in the 1970s for PG tea where the chimps were dressed up in clothes and performed to a soundtrack of actors characterising a vicar's afternoon soiree.

    I see from most polls the majority now regret their stupidity.

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    Were they entitled to vote?, no. UK citizens who chose to reside in but not take citizenship in EU countries are similarly at the mercy of changes to legislation and rights - you are doing what you have for the past 4 years - bellyaching over spilled milk and lamenting "If only's".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Rnd 4 - EU "you must adopt all our red lines" UK - "we left the EU so sorry we can't"
    getting through it
    Rnd 5 - EU "you must adopt all our red lines" UK - "we left the EU so sorry we can't"

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    ^ Actually it is "you must adopt our rules if you want to cherry pick benefits" and the UK wanting the benefits for free.

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    ^ all a matter of perspective dear chap, but then isn't that negotiation.

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    There is no negotiation. The EU has its red lines and these leave the UK tied to the EU as if it never left, so WTO is where we are - may as well save time and walk away - if i was Frost i'd sack the next round and leave it in Barnier's court....just get the fuk on with life outside the EU and in the scheme of the history of the country its a blip....life goes on.

    Brexit: Serious differences over trade deal, say UK and EU

    The UK and EU have said serious differences remain over a post-Brexit trade deal, following the latest negotiations in Brussels.


    EU negotiator Michel Barnier said the bloc's position needed to be "better understood and respected" by the UK if an agreement is to be found.


    His UK counterpart David Frost said "significant" disagreement remained on "a number of important issues".


    The UK has ruled out extending the December deadline to reach a deal.


    The latest round of talks, the first to be held in person since the Covid-19 crisis struck, came after both sides agreed to "intensify" negotiations last month.


    Negotiations have continued throughout the pandemic via video link. An additional five weeks of in-person talks are planned for July and early August.


    BBC Europe reporter Gavin Lee said the latest round of talks had broken up a day early, with a discussion between the two chief negotiators tomorrow cancelled.


    Mr Frost said the face-to-face talks had given "extra depth and flexibility" to discussions on a "full range of issues" over trade and a future partnership.


    "But they have also underlined the significant differences that still remain between us on a number of important issues," he added.


    "We remain committed to working hard to find an early understanding on the principles underlying an agreement."


    Equally, Mr Barnier said "serious divergences remain" after the four days of talks, although the EU believed an agreement was still possible.


    'Equivalent engagement'


    "The EU engaged constructively, as we had already done during the fourth round of negotiations in June," he added.


    "The EU expects, in turn, its positions to be better understood and respected in order to reach an agreement.


    "We need an equivalent engagement by the United Kingdom."Officials play down early finish Talks started in Brussels on Monday and were due to last until tomorrow afternoon, but finished earlier today.


    It is understood very little progress was made this week - but discussions in London scheduled for next week will continue as planned.


    EU officials told the BBC that "one positive is that the UK now appears to understand our position more clearly on the areas of disagreement".


    Officials on both sides were keen to play down the decision to end talks early.


    One EU official told the BBC that the planned discussion for this afternoon was for "extra questions to be raised" and that "it wasn't a "huge issue" that the two negotiators wouldn't meet tomorrow.


    Mr Barnier underlined that the EU expects "parallel progress" in all areas of the negotiations.


    This is a point of difference with the UK - which wants to negotiate separate agreements in areas such as fisheries, alongside a basic free trade deal.


    Mr Barnier also reiterated the EU would not agree to a deal without "robust" guarantees on the so-called "level playing field" for competition between business.


    He added this would include the area of state support for companies.


    Just like when it was an EU member, the UK remains tied to the bloc's "state aid" rules during the 11-month transition period due to end in December 2020.


    David Frost (L) is due to take up a role as UK national security adviser in August. The UK has not yet unveiled plans for its post-Brexit state aid regime, but PM Boris Johnson has previously said he wants to make it easier for the UK government to provide assistance to struggling firms.


    The two sides also remain deadlocked over the issue of fishing rights - an area where they had previously pledged to find agreement by last month.


    The EU wants to uphold its existing access to British waters for vessels from member states, to avoid economic disruption for their fishermen.


    But the UK wants to hold annual talks with the bloc over access to its waters, as it currently does with nations such as Norway.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53266902

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