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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    You're not aware of all the opt-out clauses the UK had?
    Perhaps you could inform us of the opt out clauses the UK had?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Perhaps you could inform us of the opt out clauses the UK had?
    I'll give you the first clue to one of them . . . take out a £5 note and look at it really carefully.

    There's a clue there somewhere.

    You'll need to think about it a little bit.
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    Upto until the 70's Australians referred to themselves as Pom's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I'll give you the first clue to one of them . . . take out a £5 note and look at it really carefully.

    There's a clue there somewhere.

    You'll need to think about it a little bit.
    Same shit different day,perhaps sticking to what you know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Perhaps you could inform us of the opt out clauses the UK had?
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I'll give you the first clue to one of them . . . take out a £5 note and look at it really carefully.

    There's a clue there somewhere.

    You'll need to think about it a little bit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Same shit different day,perhaps sticking to what you know about.
    So, no answer. Try again - look closely. Once you see it you'll be surprised you hadn't noticed it in the last 25+ years



    Always good to have a discussion with you, especially when you show your utter ignorance and idiocy. (Which, to be fair, is with every post)
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    Upto until the 70's Australians referred to themselves as Pom's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    IMO Boris is just looking for an excuse to leave the EU with no deal.
    That pretence can only work once, and he blew it by folding abjectly on the withdrawal agreement.

    That was when the other side had their suspicions confimed beyond doubt: he was sat at the poker table trying to play snap.

    They allowed him the 'victorious' backslapping that folllowed, and he went home contented.
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    As Cyrille says, the no-deal WTO option, the UK regarded as a trump card in negotiations, has been played. It didn't have much value then and nor will it now. The EU don't care if the UK wants to damage itself further.

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    That's right...it was all to do with domestic politics, as the EU has long recognised.

    It was coming up to Christmas, people were sick of BREXIT dragging on and didn't like Corbyn. In that order of importance.

    Thus Boris was allowed to pretend he was a master of brinkmanship, when in fact he'd brought home a Christmas turkey.

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    In terms of realpolitik and every day lives, the UK leaving the EU has had little or no significant effect on the EU and from a mere glance through the European press, ranging from the gutter to the high brow, it seems the myriad citizenry are as oblivious to it as the British are of their own stupidity.

    The threat of a truculent WTO departure by the puerile BoJo is akin to the child threatening to piss his own pants because he is not permitted to eat any more jelly at a birthday party to which he was not actually invited.

    Brexit has had one positive impact though. It has now propelled Ireland and Scotland out of the shadow of England's hegemonic past and thrust both into the limelight of a new modernity which will unify Hibernia and free Scotland from its colonial master's chains.

    Actually, these were more of my prophesies that seem to be coming true ..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Brexit has had one positive impact though. It has now propelled Ireland and Scotland out of the shadow of England's hegemonic past and thrust both into the limelight of a new modernity which will unify Hibernia and free Scotland from its colonial master's chains.

    Actually, these were more of my prophesies that seem to be coming true ..........
    ^ Great ain't it, you seem to think this is a bad thing for the UK, its a great thing for Eng - cannot wait.

    your "prophesies" you are hilarious

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    And from a leading Brexit critic here's what Mark Carney is saying now.



    Boris Johnson's general election victory has prompted a 'rebound in confidence' in the British economy and there could be a silver lining to Brexit, Mark Carney has said.
    The governor of the Bank of England is due to step down from the role next month after a nearly seven-year term.
    In recent years he has been one of the leading critics of the UK's departure from the European Union with Brexiteers frequently accusing him of making 'Project Fear' predictions.
    But Mr Carney has now appeared to soften his warnings relating to Britain's split from Brussels.
    Mark Carney, pictured at the Bank of England in London yesterday, said Boris Johnson's election win helped the UK economy 'rebound'

    In an interview with the Reuters news agency, Mr Carney said the UK was now moving to address its main economic problem - weak productivity.
    Mr Johnson this week gave the green light to the £100 billion HS2 high speed rail network to better connect major cities in England and he has also promised further help for regions where growth has fallen far behind London.
    Asked about the potential upsides for the economy resulting from Brexit, Mr Carney said: 'In an environment where everything is getting a fresh look, it's fertile ground for taking a step back and making bigger changes than otherwise might have been made.
    'It's early days but there are several initiatives - the budget will be telling - that suggest that some of these opportunities are being grasped.'
    Canadian Mr Carney became governor in 2013 and three years into his term the UK voted to leave the EU despite warnings from him and many other analysts that Britain's economy was likely to suffer as a result.
    He said that the data was 'absolutely clear' that Brexit 'had an impact, a notable impact on investment'.
    But he then said that Brexit could prove to be 'a conceptual positive' for the UK.
    Mr Johnson, pictured alongside his new Chancellor Rishi Sunak at a meeting of the Cabinet today, won a crushing 80-seat Tory majority at the December election

    'It is a major reordering of our relationship not just with the European Union but our trading relationships with the rest of the world and it is prompting a reassessment of economic policy, structural economic policy in the country,' he said.
    Mr Carney said the clear election victory for Mr Johnson in December which ended Brexit uncertainty and ensured the UK finally left the bloc on January 31 had caused an upturn in the UK economy.
    'We are already seeing a rebound in confidence, business confidence and to some extent a firming of consumer confidence,' he said.

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    Its funny how that overpaid twat spent three years running the country down whilst we paid him to do it.

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    Project Fear was ridiculous, only idiots bought into it.

    The further away we get from the EU federal system the better. Of course, with our bright future, Ireland is fuk'd and will be forced to leave the EU pretty soon; as Britain soars and the EU plummets, the Irish will be keen to follow her big sister into the future...

    Here's to a beautiful future together:



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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Its funny how that overpaid twat spent three years running the country down whilst we paid him to do it.
    He'll be getting another large sum come 15 March.

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    I think the expenditure on whole BOE monetary committee is like advertising spend and that quote about you know you are wasting half your money on it, you just you don't know which half. I'd put it more like 70:30

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Its funny how that overpaid twat spent three years running the country down whilst we paid him to do it.
    Bollocks. You are simply interpreting his diplomatic optimism which on any analysis, except by the stupid of course, is loaded with the conditional tense and correspondingly laden with sentiment in lieu of data.

    The reality is clear, once the rhetoric of whimsy, delusion and wishful thinking is dispelled by the icy blasts of reality, and Britain exits on WTO terms, that so-called new " trading model" will evaporate to be replaced by the old model but with tariffs, duties, levies, and multi-layered bureaucracy dumped upon it as the British businessman labours to deal with his traditional EU markets on coon terms. And those super-duper trade deals with the world that in truth the UK already had? Will they compensate??? Not on your life, trading with markets 6,000 miles away ain't as lucrative as those only 22 miles distant.

    Profits are going to be hit, and when the historical EU investors are saddled with the ERG penalty then they'll be off.

    And those financial sector services looking for continued access?? Nope, WTO terms means goodbyeee and a loss of up to £30 billions annually.

    WTO = death

    But if BoJo the Clown and the Orcs concede a level playing field and alignment, then nice Mr Carney's smoke blown up gullible Brexit arses might come true.

    Project Fear came true: the currency is in shreds, the economy has contracted in the manufacturing sector, FDI has shrunk by 20%, productivity is the lowest in developed EU states, the union is disintegrating and the world is ignoring the UK in preference to the EU, and we have had two elections three prime ministers and the Tory party has been replaced by a right wing fascist mob.

    A 39 year old Attorney General, appointed without any experience of constitutional law, the judiciary or statecraft, and whose only qualification for her post is her extremist Brexit doctrine, declares that she she is going to exclude the government from the rule of law ???

    Yep, that's good old fashioned populist national socialism for you.



    Trouble is, the Brexit mob haven't a clue what that means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    because they (the French) do have a future tense (hence why their thinking processes are so prescriptive and limited)
    Eh?????
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    Upto until the 70's Australians referred to themselves as Pom's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Eh?????


    betty trying hard to sound all European, there.

    And failing dismally.

    His favourite spot is 'Nice', apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    'Nice'
    Another Australian language lesson for you . . . it's pronounced 'Noice' . . .
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    Upto until the 70's Australians referred to themselves as Pom's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Eh?????
    Some languages have future tense, some do not; cognatively, it affects the way we form thoughts, to a degree... French has future tense. English has future time and modality.
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    Pres Micron is pushing for the EU to be ..... less .....

    Europe’s middle classes will only remain reconciled to the European Union if it becomes more integrated, with an effective defence policy, a larger budget and integrated capital markets, and is shorn of vetoes that slow decision-making, the French president, Emmanuel Macron, has said.


    Setting out his 10-year vision for Europe on Saturday, Macron said he still wanted to see the UK involved in defence, but urged European countries to recognise that in terms of social welfare, Europe had a different values to the US.


    The continent, he said, was reaching the hour of truth, the moment when it must decide about greater integration and commonality. He warned: “If the Franco-German tandem do not come up with a perspective for the middle classes, that will be a historic failure.”


    Referring to the weakness of the west, Macron admitted he was impatient, if not frustrated, to hear a German response to his call for a strategic dialogue on a more integrated Europe. Asking for a clear answer, he said the countries “have a history of waiting for answers” from each other.


    “What’s key in the coming years is to move much faster on issues of sovereignty on the European level,” he said.


    He expanded on his controversial call for Europe to open a strategic dialogue with the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, saying the only way to end frozen conflicts, including the one in Ukraine, was for Europe to work with Russia. He insisted: “My position is not pro-Russian or anti-Russian, it is pro-European.”


    In a reference to the US and the UK, he said: “I hear the defiance of all our partners; I’m not mad, but I know that being defiant and weak … is not a policy, it’s a completely inefficient system.


    “There is a second choice, which is to be demanding and restart a strategic dialogue, because today we talk less and less, conflicts multiply and we aren’t able to resolve them.”


    Macron said that although the current policy of sanctions and counter-sanctions was not working, he did not advocate they be lifted in the context of Ukraine.


    He also said he doubted Russia had ended its direct and indirect interference in democratic elections, saying the best response was to defend Europe’s networks and adding: “I do not believe in miracles, but in policies.”


    Macron confirmed he was willing to lift French objections – he denied it was a veto – to opening EU membership talks with North Macedonia, so long as the EU agreed to the accession process becoming less theological, long-winded and bureaucratic. The bloc’s current review of its accession procedures should do away with the idea that progress to accession was not reversible, he said.


    Macron was speaking after two leading German politicians affirmed Germany needed to do more to respond to Macron’s offer of dialogue.


    The German foreign minister, Heiko Maas, said: “Germany is ready to get more involved, including militarily.” He called for the “construction of a European security and defence union as a strong, European pillar of Nato”.


    Europe needed to respond, he said, due to the sudden emergence of a geo-strategic gap to which the continent had closed it eyes.


    He explained: “The real gamechanger is that the era of omnipresent American global policemen is over. Everyone can see that. It is not due to US lack of military power, but to the commitment of those responsible in the White House.”


    Decisions on the Middle East were being taken by countries that did not share European values, he said. In Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and the Sahel, Europe “should not cede these crises to those who bring weapons and mercenaries, not peace”, he added.


    The German president, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, on Friday warned that Donald Trump’s “America First” strategy had shaken up the international order and fuelled insecurity in an unstable world.


    “We are witnessing today an increasingly destructive momentum in global politics,” Steinmeier said, adding: “Every year we are getting further and further away from our goal of creating a more peaceful world through international cooperation.


    “Under its current administration, the USA rejects the very concept of an international community. Every country, it believes, should look after itself and put its own interests before all others.”


    Steinmeier, whose role is largely ceremonial but serves as a moral compass for Germany, said Europe needed to take more control of its own security, including through higher military spending.


    “Only a Europe that is able and willing to credibly protect itself, will keep the US in Nato,” he said.



    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/15/emmanuel-macron-sets-out-10-year-vision-for-eu-with-call-for-more-integration

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    So amusing that the Brexit loons are so pleased they are now free from the contagion of the EU that they obsess about it every day and hang on to every single utterance made by any and all of its leaders and spokespeople.

    The Brexit narrative is a familiar one and typical of the demagogic propagandist drumming up support for their own banner of delusion: abandoning success is not likely to engender much support so attribute one's own failings to others and create the mythology that what you are leaving is a disaster and doomed to perdition.

    In truth this will soon translate to " yes, I know it is shit now but in ....... years time you'll thank me for it when the EU collapses and everyone in it will b poorer than a hottentot from soggy-wogga land and will starve to death but we will be masters of the universe and richer than Croesus.".

    Pitiful, truly pitiful.

    But what else could one expect from the deluded and the dull witted ignoramus.

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    ^^ obsessed, you have the cheek to call leavers obsessed after the repetitious guff you spout about Brexit daily..... har har har. You'll note the "prophesy" about the Federation is coming to pass and Jean Luc Micron is eyeing up the Capts seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    IMO Boris is just looking for an excuse to leave the EU with no deal. The E.U.talking tough for a trade agreement is just pissing in the wind.
    probably, just so he can pretend the UK is great again and don't need any deals

    this is going to be funny

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    What will be interesting (In a WTO scenario) would be how Tarriffs are applied. The EU has a tariff regime in place for non EU countries. Britain will have much more flexibility how and where it applies tariffs. Tariffs tend to hurt the consumer most and governments become acutely aware of this when prices rise. Note what happens in countries where basics like fuel and bread prices have risen, when either taxes are applied or subsidies removed. Its like a "slapping face" contest. The EU feels obligated to slap the UK face for leaving to discourage others, but not so hard that it evokes a harder slap back. Interesting times ahead.

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