Brexit - It's Still On!

**panama hat** · 13-02-2020, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by jabir

biased EU courts

. Here we go, the whining and martyrdom . . . well, only another 50 years of this. No wonder they're called whingeing POMs

**panama hat** · 13-02-2020, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Chico

More Ignorance from a Bogan.

Pom = Prisoner pf Motherland.

Good God, you're thick. In Australian vernacular it refers to Brits, mainly English.

[Those whingeing poms

FEW people know its origin, but no-one doubts its meaning (except for an utter cretin like you). When Australians use the word “pom”, they are talking about the British, more specifically the English. Usually, they attach a derogatory appendage such as “whingeing”, “bloody” or “bastard”, as in “pommy bastard”. Australians have been using the word freely since its probable emergence in the late 19th century as a nickname for English immigrants, a short form of pomegranate, referring to their ruddy complexions.

. . . .

https://www.economist.com/asia/1997/05/22/those-whingeing-poms

You can barely communicate in your mother tongue and really shouldn't try to guess at other countries' vernacular

Originally Posted by Chico

More Ignorance

You out yourself every time.

**Seekingasylum** · 13-02-2020, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Did i say that? No i didn 't so enlighten me and others why Britain has now become important when you have been telling Brits how insignificant we are.

The importance of Britain's membership to the EU citizens is in practical terms of little significance except to those who live and work in Britain. When politicians speak of importance they are being diplomatic and, a concept unfamiliar to Tory Orcs and their lumpen supporters, pleasant in an encouraging way that acknowledges the prevalent opinion among the EU states that traditional British values strengthen the union.

However, once it goes it will be missed in much the way space is left in a bucket of water when hands are removed.

In economic terms, it's passing will b missed by some but in the end most know that superior quality EU products will always be sought by British consumers since their own supplies are relatively inferior or non-existent, irrespective of whatever duties are applied.

The EU is of course much more important to the Brits, and the intelligent among them are well aware of this fact although the majority of leavers being stupid and ignorant are not.

The lower end still think they can go and live and work in Spain in much the same way as they have done and also believe they can bring as much wine as thy wish from France after 1.1.21.

If the crazy Tory Orcs continue with their idiocy as set out by the Clown in his daft speeches then Britain as a trading state will be no different to Venezuela or America come 1.1.21.

Von der Leyen has already said the EU has offered free trade and zero quotas to BoJo, a first for the EU, but in return the UK must abide by the interests of the EU in its social and economic cohesion policies - reasonable expectation in exchange for £260 billions in unfettered trade, I would have thought.

But the thing is, that is not what the 'hard' brexiteer wants, they want some bizarre fantasy world where imperial Brutannia bestrides the globe like some colossus of mercantilism to whom the filthy European will pay homage.

This Brexit has now become what it always pretended it was not, a cheap, two-bit, re-cycled bigoted doctrine of fascism and a sleazy one at that.

So, so very appropriate its government is a sordid bunch of unprincipled self-interested immoral political hacks of no substance and even less talent..

**NamPikToot** · 13-02-2020, 01:09 PM

Rinse, repeat. We get it. Lets move on. This year is going to be fun for all involved.

**Chico** · 13-02-2020, 02:23 PM

Be Interesting to see what happens with Switzerland, with there own Referendum in May.

**Dragonfly** · 13-02-2020, 03:46 PM

and here we go

Brexit: EU Parliament makes tough demands for talks - BBC News

The European Parliament has approved a tough opening position for talks with the UK on its future relationship with the EU.

MEPs called on the UK to follow EU policies in a host of areas as the price for an ambitious free trade deal.

These range from chemicals regulation to climate change, food labelling and subsidies for companies.

This should be with "a view to dynamic alignment" - code for the UK adopting European rules as they are introduced.

The wide-ranging resolution also called for measures to ensure that Brexit does not cause gender discrimination, for a crackdown on tax havens with links to the UK, and for a joint UK-EU position at the upcoming UN climate conference in Glasgow in November.

**Dragonfly** · 13-02-2020, 03:47 PM

and Boris has already caved in

Cabinet reshuffle: Ministers braced as Johnson mulls changes to top team - BBC News

Senior ministers are bracing themselves for Boris Johnson's first major cabinet reshuffle since the Conservatives' general election victory.

The PM will make a number of changes over the next 24 hours although it is unclear how wide-ranging they will be.

Attorney General Geoffrey Cox said he would be "uncomplaining" if, as some expect, he is sacked or moved.

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace told the BBC reshuffles were often "brutal", but he was hopeful of staying in post.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock joked at an event in London: "It's a huge pleasure to be here, and with a government reshuffle in the offing, it's a great time to be talking about longevity."

A Downing Street source told the BBC the PM would "reward those MPs who have worked hard to deliver on this government's priorities to level up the whole country and deliver the change people voted for last year".

**sabang** · 13-02-2020, 04:36 PM

'other' markets? Like who?

Cars- China, Korea, Japan, India.
Primary produce- ANZ, Nth America, etc
Tech- US, China, India, Japan
Foreign travel- the world is your oyster

The obvious point here is the EU is not the only game in town. Nobody is. If they play cute, they play a losing game. Same with the Brits. Injuns own Jaguar.
I would think at the first whiff of opportunity, a Chinese car giant will invest in the UK. They already own the MG brand, which is a bit more Brit than Renault.
And believe me- the cars are getting pretty good (like the Koreans before them). Unless the Japs drop their prices, China is gonna pretty much take over the SUV market here in Oz.

Pragmatism will prevail.

**PAG** · 13-02-2020, 04:41 PM

^^

Can't think why you believe that. Boris's first cabinet last July was all about having his team all on the same page for Brexit and the forthcoming election. Now it is about having technocrats who can deliver on his manifesto commitments.

**cyrille** · 13-02-2020, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Chico

Be Interesting to see what happens with Switzerland, with there own Referendum in May.

It's very easy to call a referendum in Switzerland. They have several this year, addressing issues from homophobia to housing.

The first referendum is usually 'advisory'. It asks a very general question with no specific plan of action.

If the answer to the question of whether or not the Swiss want more restrictions on freedom of movement is 'yes' then there will be a further referndum on specific methods of achieving this.

This is what should have happened in the UK.

The Swiss are a well educated and aware bunch with a bark that is frequently worse than their bite, so the right wing party that called for this referendum will likely not succeed. The populace will understand the considerable sacrifices involved in curtailing one of the four freedoms.

In other words, the situation is 180 degrees the opposite to the ham-fisted sham conducted in the UK.

**sabang** · 13-02-2020, 04:50 PM

This thread will go on forever, squabbling over every little piece of dung. The moaning classes gotta have their say, especially in Brittania. But the point is-

Pragmatism will prevail.

And the other point is being totally overlooked. What is the Eurocracy gonna do, faced with the reality it has just shrunk? I haven't heard any mention of job losses and cost savings- have you?
Which brings us back to the point of why the UK voted out in the first place.

**lom** · 13-02-2020, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Which brings us back to the point of why the UK voted out in the first place.

They voted out because they bought the lie that EU was responsible for all things that went bad during the ten years before the referendum.

**sabang** · 13-02-2020, 07:13 PM

Every Pov had their soapbox, and used it freely. Everyone had their right to vote. And of course, political rhetoric abounded- dýa think that was just the Brexiteers? Nope.
What about the Bremoaners, assuring us of the imminent collapse of the UK if they voted Brexit? Didn't happen, and won't happen. But that's politics for you.
Personally, I wouldn't have voted Leave, but the nation did- and I at least listen to the reasons why (no, not just immigration, or bigotry). The smug classes totally stuffed up.
So deal with the situation as is- this applies to both the EU & UK. If pragmatism does not prevail, both parties lose.
Switzerland and Norway seem to be just fine with their EU relationship, without being a member. Good example.
But there are plenty of members of the EU that, imo, should never have been admitted.

**panama hat** · 13-02-2020, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Which brings us back to the point of why the UK voted out in the first place.

Because:

Originally Posted by lom

They voted out because they bought the lie that EU was responsible for all things that went bad during the ten years before the referendum.

Originally Posted by sabang

Cars- China, Korea, Japan, India.

To make in the UK? There won't be a preferential tariff for the UK and manufacturing cost is lower in 2 of the three

Originally Posted by sabang

Foreign travel- the world is your oyster

I'm not quite sure what you're saying with this. Heathrow won't be the hub for Europe - why would it be with direct flights to Paris/Frankfurt/Amsterdam etc...

Originally Posted by sabang

The obvious point here is the EU is not the only game in town. Nobody is. If they play cute, they play a losing game. Same with the Brits. Injuns own Jaguar.

True, but it is the big boy in town, especially for the UK . . . 50% . . . and using Jaguar as an example is . . . well:

This just for the US:

Brexit - It's Still On!-tesla-vs-luxury-car-competition-q2

Global:

Nothing with Jaguar in it

Originally Posted by sabang

Primary produce- ANZ, Nth America, etc

Yup - imported. The top ten food exporters:

USA
Netherlands
Germany
Brazil
France
China
Spain
Canada
Belgium
Italy

Note the number of European countries and the absence of the UK

Originally Posted by sabang

Tech- US, China, India, Japan

Yup - again, import and non-Brit

Not a Brit in sight

The idea that the UK is a power player, - especially citing your examples - economically, just isn't true - especially with global companies leaving the UK for the continent . . . heck, even one of the greatest Brexit champions, Dyson, moved its HQ to Singapore . . . not to mention Reese-Mogg setting up Somerset Capital management (a company he founded) in Ireland . . . and the examples could continue almost ad-infinitum.

No-one wants to see the UK go through terrible times as that would affect many - including the EU - but it is up to Boris and his ilk to soften the inevitable fall.

**lom** · 13-02-2020, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Every Pov had their soapbox, and used it freely. Everyone had their right to vote. And of course, political rhetoric abounded- dýa think that was just the Brexiteers? Nope.

There were exaggerations on both sides and that is ok as long as those who did it believed in what they predicted, only one side was guilty of outright lies though.

**sabang** · 13-02-2020, 07:29 PM

So go ahead, argue about and dispute what has already been- and totally ignore the job at hand. Brexit has happened, sob into your cereal and blame the voters.
But I would think the adults in the room are quite busy behind the scenes trying to make it work for both parties. Sobbing won't help with that.

**panama hat** · 13-02-2020, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

sob into your cereal and blame the voters.

Can't see anyone here sobbing . . . yet

Originally Posted by sabang

But I would think the adults in the room are quite busy behind the scenes trying to make it work for both parties.

Well, Boris and co are burning as many bridges as they can, so I'd disagree with your assertion. The UK is a minor player who has just excluded itself from a big team that has benefitted it for decades.

**sabang** · 13-02-2020, 07:43 PM

Minor players like Norway, Australia and Switzerland get by just fine. Size isn't everything, as the bishop said to the actress. If it was, we'd all move to China. Or, blegh, merka.
But the UK has the 5th largest economy in the world- hardly a minnow. Or a whale.

**lom** · 13-02-2020, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

So go ahead, argue about and dispute what has already been- and totally ignore the job at hand.

The job at hand is to work out a Canada type deal in a very short time frame, they have 8 month to achieve what took 7 years for the
Canada deal to come through. Trade deal experts says that a EU-Britain deal could maybe be done in 2 years..

Originally Posted by sabang

But I would think the adults in the room are quite busy behind the scenes trying to make it work for both parties. Sobbing won't help with that.

Limiting the time doesn't help either.

**sabang** · 13-02-2020, 07:54 PM

Fair points, but lets not forget that there are a substantial amount of people, on both sides of the channel, that would just love to obfuscate and delay ad infinitum- until Brexit just wastes away. Thus ignoring the democratic vote. This, imo, would do far more damage to the UK than Brexit ever will- not to mention be an act of Treason.

So I'm afraid I'm with Bojo on this one- Get Brexit Done. It has dragged on long enough already.

**cyrille** · 13-02-2020, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Sobbing won't help with that.

Some pretty informed posts, most would say.

You're just being a nob.

**panama hat** · 13-02-2020, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Minor players like Norway, Australia and Switzerland get by just fine. Size isn't everything

True . . . Norway is awash with oil, Switzerland is a unique place and Oz . . . is Oz, nestled in the Pacific and reliant on China. Can't really compare them.

Originally Posted by sabang

as the bishop said to the actress.

Shouldn't that be the bishop said to the altar boy?

Originally Posted by sabang

But the UK has the 5th largest economy in the world- hardly a minnow. Or a whale.

True, but with services close to 80% of GDP and London has already lost quite a few financial institutions, leaving mostly for Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt . . . and will lose far more. Top 5, soon to be no more.

Again, I doubt anyone wants the people in the UK to suffer, after all 48% of those who voted wanted to remain and to wish ill on those who didn't is childish. The instigants, yes, as they are political opportunists.

A few years will pass and things will be a new normal

**sabang** · 13-02-2020, 08:34 PM

You're just being a nob.

And will always be so, if to you that means sticking up for the majority vote. Get Brexit Done.
I suppose you must prefer the Thai model Syb. But I'm afraid the British Army is not for sale.

**Norton** · 13-02-2020, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

But I'm afraid the British Army is not for sale.

Nor are their cops and courts.

**NamPikToot** · 13-02-2020, 11:35 PM

And ripples on the other side of the English waters. Specky mouthy twat and former PM of Buttfly's patchwork quilt country is telling EU members to forget about differences and just get on with setting the budget for the next 7 years. Which is OK for him and his pimple of a country which basically contribute nothing but hot air and seats but the northern net contributors aren't yet quite prepared to put their rosey tints on. Yermany looking at a doubling of contributions.

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