Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by lom

Yeah why don't we talk about something more comfortable for you than what Brexit does to Britain.

Be good to know what Brexit does to Britain first?

Originally Posted by Chico

Be good to know what Brexit does to Britain first?

It's in the.word. the BR in Brexit stands for Britain. Exit stands for exit. Put them together and you have Brexit.

I hope that clears it up for you.

Ah, with people of your calibre in their ranks Brexiteers must be happy

Originally Posted by panama hat

Ah, with people of your calibre in their ranks Brexiteers must be happy

He doesn't even stand out in that grouping.

^ Say the mob who are still whingeing and crying over something they lost 3+ years ago...

Carry On Cyrille and LOM.

There's a lot of Non-English, Non Resident English on here who don't seem to be able to let go. Odd really, a vocal minority with no iron in the fire but very excited over the whole affair. There are more pressing matters like melting icebergs, microplastics and chemicals in their food and political conflict/injustice closer to home but they seem unaffected by these burning issues, distracted as they are by Brexit. As i said odd really.

The remoaners are very good at calling everyone else idiots - you lost, get over it...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The remoaners are very good at calling everyone else idiots - you lost, get over it...

I don't get it, they can easily replace the numbers. Get Scotland back and you are a club of 28, add Turkeylurky and you add 80 Mil to your club, Russia and then you have internalised your Gas supply not to mention Pine nuts for Italy's Pesto ....the possibilities are endless and much better than the piffling 60 odd Mil whingers on an Island off France.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The remoaners are very good at calling everyone else idiots - you lost, get over it...

Not everyone else,only some of the Brexshitters.

Lom, calm down you don't live in one of the clubs countries. You live on one of a collection of scam islands in the bay of bangkok and get by nicely on 99 baht buffets.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

I don't get it

No you don't, you have proven it now and you have proven it before.
The importance of Britains membership in EU is not about its contribution to EU's funding.

Originally Posted by lom

No you don't, you have proven it now and you have proven it before.
The importance of Britains membership in EU is not about its contribution to EU's funding.

Did i say that? No i didn 't so enlighten me and others why Britain has now become important when you have been telling Brits how insignificant we are.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The remoaners are very good at calling everyone else idiots - you lost, get over it...

Well congratulations on winning the booby prize.

The UK government can't wait until they get their duty free earner back on the road again. I wonder if they'll introduce Thai-style duty on imported booze.

All tariffs will be passed on to the consumer. It will be the average Joe that suffers, but that's what they voted for...

mmmmmmore mmmmmmade uuuuup bbbbluster, Troy. Still at least you lot aren't banging the racist gong for e few days now.

The real show, the budget is just starting, you should sit back and enjoy it with us.

In other news...here we go, our future relationship with the club in all its glory. Fooking love it, they've waited a few years to pop this log out.

Less than two weeks after leaving the European Union, the U.K. is already back in trouble with the bloc.


While Brexit day was meant to enable Britain to finally throw off the shackles of the Brussels bureaucracy, the U.K. government now finds itself having to answer questions over an obscure transport tax that the EU doesn’t like. It’s a dispute that has the potential to end up in court.


It’s a stark reminder that although the country technically ended its 47-year membership of the EU on Jan. 31, a transition period that extends throughout 2020 means it’s still bound by the bloc’s rules and jurisdiction. While Britain doesn’t get a say in any decisions or policy making, EU law applies in full.


A levy that the U.K. introduced for heavy goods vehicles in 2014 discriminates against foreign truck drivers because British ones can get refunded for the tax they pay, the European Commission said on Wednesday in a statement. That goes against the EU’s philosophy of treating citizens from all of its countries equally.


So while the right to give preferential treatment to British nationals was one of the cornerstones of the Brexit debate, that power will have to wait.


The commission said the U.K. has two months to notify it of changes to the way the tax works or face the prospect of being taken to EU courts.


The bloc’s executive arm regularly takes action against its member countries for breaches of EU law, with about one in 10 ending up in the EU’s Court of Justice.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-12/twelve-days-after-brexit-u-k-falls-foul-of-eu-rules?srnd=premium-europe

Hahaha!

Germany were going to introduce a toll on their autobahns and refund German residents through vehicle tax. It broke EU rules so they abandoned the idea...

...good to see the UK netted on this one. That'll cost them the 1bn they just got from airbus in fines plus a few gazillion more.

^ of course Troy, its expected and it'll just encourage the UK to make swifter progress on reducing the size of the trading partnership in favour of other markets. Hopefully ensures a firm UK rejection of the EUs current negotiating stance, so they can carry on being as belligerent as they like - all good with me.

I am truly looking forward to this.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

it'll just encourage the UK to make swifter progress on reducing the size of the trading partnership in favour of other markets.

You really can't believe that will go the way you imagine it, can you . . . 'other' markets? Like who? Who will replace the largest economic block in the world? China? Hardly. The US? Please . . .

Even if the UK manages to replace markets the interim will mean high unemployment, cuts in social programs and medical support.

Why some of you think this is going to be a walk in the park is beyond me . . . but then the 'EU-Blame-Game' will continue in perpetuity to keep the uneducated dross from complaining

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

In other news...here we go, our future relationship with the club in all its glory. Fooking love it, they've waited a few years to pop this log out.

Less than two weeks after leaving the European Union, the U.K. is already back in trouble with the bloc.

While Brexit day was meant to enable Britain to finally throw off the shackles of the Brussels bureaucracy, the U.K. government now finds itself having to answer questions over an obscure transport tax that the EU doesn’t like. It’s a dispute that has the potential to end up in court.

It’s a stark reminder that although the country technically ended its 47-year membership of the EU on Jan. 31, a transition period that extends throughout 2020 means it’s still bound by the bloc’s rules and jurisdiction. While Britain doesn’t get a say in any decisions or policy making, EU law applies in full.

A levy that the U.K. introduced for heavy goods vehicles in 2014 discriminates against foreign truck drivers because British ones can get refunded for the tax they pay, the European Commission said on Wednesday in a statement. That goes against the EU’s philosophy of treating citizens from all of its countries equally.

So while the right to give preferential treatment to British nationals was one of the cornerstones of the Brexit debate, that power will have to wait.

The commission said the U.K. has two months to notify it of changes to the way the tax works or face the prospect of being taken to EU courts.

The bloc’s executive arm regularly takes action against its member countries for breaches of EU law, with about one in 10 ending up in the EU’s Court of Justice.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-12/twelve-days-after-brexit-u-k-falls-foul-of-eu-rules?srnd=premium-europe

A bit odd that it took the EU 6 years to decide the levy is discriminatory.

No problem, suspend the tax to avoid a virtually certain loss in biased EU courts, and restore on day One of freedom from interference. Then deal with the reprisals; all part of adapting to a new era of bitchy bureaupratic scrutiny.

Originally Posted by jabir

A bit odd that it took the EU 6 years...

Just another one of the many ways in which the UK was given an easy ride, presumably.

Originally Posted by jabir

suspend the tax to avoid a virtually certain loss...

...because it's virtually certain the tax is discriminatory...

And now that we're back in the real world for a while on this thread...(Yes, it's from The Guardian. One of very few even remotely balanced sources that does not have a paywall and can be copy pasted)

The UK and EU have very different concepts about what a deal means. The risk is that they could easily end up with nothing.

Size matters in trade talks, as the UK should have learned from the first phase of Brexit. But British Eurosceptics were slow to grasp the challenges faced by a lone member leaving the single market, when the rest of the European Union can negotiate en bloc. Now that the UK is a “third country”, the balance of power has shifted further in favour of Brussels. British refusal to adapt is causing bemusement and consternation on the continent. Earlier this week, the European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, spoke dismissively of Boris Johnson’s notion of an “Australia-style” deal. She knows that this is a euphemism for no deal at all.


Also this week, Michel Barnier warned that UK ministers “kid themselves” if they think they can secure permanent, automatic access to EU financial services markets. Brussels decides which regimes enjoy regulatory “equivalence” and retains the right to withdraw that status unilaterally. (That is a statement of the obvious, but what is obvious in Europe often sounds like a rebuke to Conservatives.) The Treasury says it does not seek a once-and-for-all equivalence deal, just something more durable than certification that Brussels can revoke with only 30-days’ notice. In theory, that leaves plenty of room for a deal. In practice, the landing strip is narrow because the two sides come at the question of regulatory divergence with different concepts of what is being discussed.

The British side sees only intransigence when Brussels is wary of making exceptions and granting privileges to its neighbour. In Boris Johnson’s view, neighbours should do each other favours. The prime minister says he wants a close relationship and that he does not intend to undercut the EU on basic standards. The prime minister sees divergence as a symbolic right – vital for UK sovereignty, not something a European court can be allowed to enforce.


Viewed from Brussels, Mr Johnson’s statements of intent are worthless, and not just because he is known to have a loose relationship with the truth. They see beyond personality to the strategic nub, where divergence only has meaning as a device to carve out a competitive edge. That is the whole point of Brexit for its ideological architects. Once the decision was made to define national sovereignty as regulatory autarky, Britain set itself on a course of economic rivalry with the rest of the EU. The law cannot be fudged and the UK’s proximity to the single market therefore makes a deal harder to strike, not easier as Mr Johnson claims. This reality has penetrated parts of the government. Michael Gove recently warned industry bodies to expect the return of wide-ranging border controls when the Brexit transition period ends in December. (The government no longer aims to minimise trade friction in the short term – and wants British businesses to pay for the downgrade in ambition.) On this trajectory Mr Johnson’s government is heading towards trade with the EU on WTO terms, not because it thinks that is a good deal but because that is the purest expression of the prime minister’s rhetoric. That might change as the negotiation gets under way.


The EU has good reason to encourage the shift, finding creative ways to satisfy the UK appetite for regulatory autonomy in principle, but with mechanisms that keep a level playing field in practice. Mr Johnson has to swallow some pride, because size still matters, but there is a lesson for Brussels too. The UK is not Switzerland or Norway. No British government could sign up to economic satellite status. If there is a deal available, it will be unlike any arrangement with any other third country. The first step towards realising that ambition would be for Mr Johnson to move on from the pretence that the strategic intimacy of the old relationship can easily be replicated in a new one. It is possible, but only on terms that the Tory party does not yet understand.

The Guardian view on a Brexit trade deal: tricky but not impossible | Editorial | Opinion | The Guardian

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

n other news...here we go, our future relationship with the club in all its glory. Fooking love it, they've waited a few years to pop this log out.

No they didn't wait a few years, why do you invent lies instead of informing yourself? Oh wait, you do it because you are a Brexshitter.

Press corner | European Commission

Originally Posted by lom

No they didn't wait a few years, why do you invent lies instead of informing yourself?

Damn facts!

They really are pesky for BREXITers.