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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    India is set to become 5th and France will retake its lead over the UK once the silly strikes cease and Brexit further drags the UK into recession. Italy isn't far behind but when Brexit morphs the UK into third country status then we'll see it dropping out of the G7 countries.

    Third country status rules out any access by the UK's services sector to 27 neighbouring states and 500 million consumers, corporate and otherwise. That is a seismic change to 47 years of frictionless trade which could cease in its entirety if the current Tory/Orc government policy is maintained.

    The UK's entire business and financial community is just beginning to comprehend the enormity of BoJo the Clown's stupidity. They had hoped it was a ploy by the ERG fuckwits but the reality is dawning, Goebbels Cummings has persuaded BoJo to adopt a scorched earth policy and to break the entire economic model.

    Of course the UK is to fall out of G7, it's gone rogue.

    From todays Times Business section:


    Britain’s exports to the European Union fell last year while orders to the rest of the world rose.


    Although the EU is still Britain’s single largest trading partner, the value of goods exported to the Continent fell from £173.3 billion in the first quarter of 2019 to £168.5 billion in the third quarter. Goods sold elsewhere rose from £170.9 billion to £177.1 billion, research by Lloyds Bank and IHS Markit found.

    Asia led the growth, with the value of exports rising by 11.3 per cent thanks to significant demand for alcohol. Whisky and spirits to Vietnam and India rose by 204 per cent and 73 per cent respectively. Goods exports to the US rose by 7.7 per cent, while new export orders to the EU grew by 6.9 per cent.

    With economic growth stagnating in Europe, analysts said British exporters would benefit from exploring markets further afield.

    Gwynne Master, managing director and global head of trade for Lloyds Bank global transaction banking, said: “The fluctuating economic environment could prompt more businesses to take advantage of a diverse range of overseas markets.”


    Britain recorded its largest overall trade surplus in November. Its trade balance rose to £4 billion in November, up from a deficit of £1.3 billion in October, according to the Office for National Statistics.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Given there is no centralised European power exercising political primacy over any EU member state


    No federal state, no parliament, no flag, no currency, no army; in fact, this thread doesn't even exist...
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    Not quite PAG, the three frontrunners are each sharing around 20% of the vote. There has to be a threshold and no one can speculate the secondary voting pattern with the degree of accuracy as close as, say, pollsters in first-past-the-post elections.

    This Sinn Fein vote is in truth an aberration and likely be as ephemeral as the Corbyn vote back in May's time. It is primarily a protest against the post-austerity renaissance that has neglected the growing housing disaster. In political terms it has fuck all to do with unification and Brexit.

    Incidentally, the Times piece is mostly drivel peddled by The Dirty Digger as part of his deal to swing his group behind BoJo.

    The statistics are meaningless and take no account of the parlous state of manufacturing's decline since 2010 and the collapse in domestic demand.

    Please stop posting this trash, it might impress the stupid and undiscerning but not we more intelligent and perspicacious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    My brother lives in the Netherlands and he says the same.
    Which do you think is most statistically correct the single voice of your brother or the voice of a poll?
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    ^ it's directly due to the EU. Money poured in from German and French private banks which Ireland private companies took full advantage of but could not pay back; the EU (breaking its own laws) forced Ireland to pay back the private banks and put austerity budgets upon the Irish people who neither borrowed the money nor benefitted from it but have to pay it back!



    42% of Europe’s banking crisis paid by Ireland

    Here's more explanationhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8150137/Ireland-forced-to-take-EU-and-IMF-bail-out-

    Ireland bailout: who really benefits? | Phillip Inman | Opinion | The Guardian

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    http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/ecb-fo...tage-situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Nationalists, I said. I mean the folks who support national sovereignty over imperialism or federalism; locally held political power over a distant centralised power.
    The Irish nationalism is almost only about a united Ireland, they still want to be a member of EU. Except of course for that ultra-rigt-wing party that you dug up a video about, nothing he said is unexpected from that kind of party representative but you seem to have a liking for those kind of clips.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Those groups are on the rise across Europe.
    Somewhere on the rise and somewhere down, no major change in 2019 compared to 2018.
    Now it was Ireland we discussed and where you claimed nationalism is increasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    you seem to have a liking for those kind of clips.
    You still bother watching them?

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    A serious question.

    The Labor Party in Ireland seems to be minuscule whereas left-of-centre parties elsewhere are usually one fo the top two parties. Is there another left-of centre by another name?

    My apologies for not knowing much about the political make-up in Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    That loon Battyboob is now trying to create a narrative that Ireland is a victim like Greeks.

    Yep, it's all the fault of the EU that Ireland went insane over property speculation from 1998 right on through to the big crash in 2008 when the Irish government indemnified the busted banks without limit. And it's all the EU's fault that the Irish government went cap in hand to the ECB and IMF in 2010 asking for over EUR42 billions to save the Irish financial institutions. And horror of horrors! The ECB and IMF actually had the temerity to ask for it to be repaid!!!!! Shame, absolute shame. And it was all the EU's fault that they didn't tell the nasty ECB and IMF they should just give all their money away because it would be a nice thing to do.

    Honestly, the total crap you nutters churn out is truly beyond measure.
    Very similar to Greece, yes.

    Your line in bold is untrue, as many things you write are untrue... Against their wishes, Ireland were forced to take a "bailout" by the ECB (who then tried to cover up that fact...):





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    European Ombudsman

    'Take a bailout or we'll cut emergency funding' - ECB to Ireland in 2010
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    The common denominator that binds all parties, excluding the loonies and other fringe groups, is that they are all pro-EU and support the four freedoms forming the pillars of the EU association of its member states.

    The differences are in shades of thinking. Ireland was an occupied, exploited and subjugated country colonised and oppressed by the English more or less continuously since Cromwell. So, whereas in, say, England where one had a well developed and established societal classification based on inherited privilege, acquired wealth, proven meritocracy and the lumpen working masses, society in Ireland was more simplified in its stratification in that what divided them was merely degrees of poverty endured under the English jackboot of oppression - and their wit, intelligence and humanity which given their newly acquired freedom was enjoyed by all equally and not encumbered by class distinctions marked by any stark differences in status. It was a democracy of the poor now freed from their bonds of social imprisonment.

    So in 1921 it all started from a level playing field of egalitarianism although Fianna Fail was led by De Valera, the devious swine who benefited from Michael Collins' death, perhaps the greatest Irishman not to survive to achieve his potential. In 1933 the Fine Gael party established itself to be followed by Sinn Fein, a northern entity, that was formed in 1970 as the political wing of the northern freedom fighters. Labour began I think much earlier but are now of little consequence.

    The difference in the two predominant parties is that FF is perhaps the more conservative in social terms ( kiss Pope arse, no abortion) but is inclined to spend more on a society safety net for the poorer, whereas FG is more in tune with modernism, economic innovation and lower taxation.

    SF's political roots were firmly planted in revolutionary social marxism, abstentionism and unification through militant nationalism. That has now gone and it has morphed into a party of welfare nationalism fully integrated into a political process reliant on ballot box democracy.

    So what happened to Labour? It went into a coalition with FG in 2011 for five years and supported the austerity policies that healed the economy but it destroyed them at the polls in much the same way Clegg's UK LibDems were killed by its coalition with Cameron. At the time SF opposed the austerity measures.

    Really, there is not much to differentiate between FF and FG, and in normal times they would probably continue to alternate in government but the 10 years of austerity has changd the landscape and sentiment that might have swung Labour's way has now polarised around SF giving them their first shot at power in its short history.

    If it blossoms and Ireland steams ahead to more prosperity, unification may well be that much nearer - both FF and FG were more tempered, if not lukewarm, in their enthusiasm for it whereas SF will now wish to make it more of a reality sooner, validating them as the true nationalist party.

    And that's it.
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    Battyboob, will you please stop cluttering up the board with your cut and paste shite. The Irish needed a bailout but hesitated over commitment - the ECB wanted it formalised - the Irish gave it to them in return for EUR 42 billions in loans.

    Now stop with your shite - the Irish banks were bust, the construction industry was bust, the entire mortgage industry was bust, whole estates were half built when the developers went bust, the country of 5 millions was essentially bankrupt.

    At one point a bothy in Dingle was being sold for EUR 500,000 - it was insane and it went bust.

    End of.

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    It was private debt owned to German and French banks, it was not owed by the Irish taxpayer - numerous programs and articles on this. Lie all you want, but it is well known.

    The Irish banks did not need a bailout - the German and French banks needed a bailout on their unsecured bond loses, and the Irish were bullied into paying it. Well known fact. Your dishonesty is so boring...

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    the Irish banks, like all other banks, were irresponsible until 2009, why are you claiming they weren't responsible for their fuckups?

    are you completely mad or in denial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Why would 'the EU' forget something like that and why should they even care? You seem to be building your own little wall of 'poor Britain' and creating enemies for all kinds of things.

    Oh, the UK doesn't "have" the Commonwealth.



    Eh??? No, they're not. Unless you think that 14% of the population is 'the Dutch'.

    They're in an even worse position to live without the EU than the UK and they know it. Plus - they're not as xenophobic nor as jingoistic as Brits.
    Your statement conveniently supplied by the EU no less. Bravo for such unbiased research.

    The Dutch are indeed lovely people. Warm welcoming and friendly. My information is slightly biased however, living near the Dutch border in Germany, and now in Indonesia, where there is an influential local presence, albeit ex colonials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Given there is no centralised European power exercising political primacy over any EU member state, one wonders just what the fuck you are dribbling on about, Battyboob.

    As Blair and Cameron both said, neither could recall a time when the EU overrode their decision making or that of Westminster in their respective careers.

    Try and keep your Kipper/ERG bilge out of the debate. Propaganda is a bore, and your continuing use of it is a monumental and puerile bore.
    Oh my. The irony of it? You are the biggest EU propaganda schtick on here. Force fed from puberty no doubt. What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    the Irish banks, like all other banks, were irresponsible until 2009, why are you claiming they weren't responsible for their fuckups?

    are you completely mad or in denial?
    The owners of the (private) debt were (private) German and (private) French banks. Fullstop.

    The Anglo-Irish/other go under and the German and French banks would be fuk'd. Fullstop.

    The Irish government did not want to take a bailout loan because they were about to write down the debt. Fullstop.

    The ECB blackmailed the Irish government into taking a loan it did not want on terms it did not want to save the German and French banks who held the debt. Fullstop.

    Irish taxpayers fuk'd by ECB. Fullstop.

    You don't have to take my word for it, here's an Irish parliamentarian:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The Irish government did not want to take a bailout loan because they were about to write down the debt. Fullstop.
    If it was a private debt to foreign banks then why would the Irish government write it down?
    Doesn't make sense at all, only the lender can write down or write off a debt.
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    Wrong thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    If it was a private debt to foreign banks then why would the Irish government write it down?
    Doesn't make sense at all, only the lender can write down or write off a debt.
    That was the terminology used in the Irish Parliament; watch the clip I posted and see for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    That was the terminology used in the Irish Parliament; watch the clip I posted and see for yourself.
    So you did not ask yourself that question, you didn't find it necessary to understand why the government was involved. Righto..
    Not checking the relationship between lender, banks, government did however not stop you from emphasizing that this was a private debt.
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    Look screw the Oirish. They can reunite too, in fact it would be best all round if they did.

    Looks like Barnier is making great strides in resolving the Trade Negotiations to a WTO outcome, its like he's working for us. I have changed my mind about him, fine fellow.

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    I see the tories are finally, finally coming clean about border checks, and abandoning the frictionless trade bullshit of the last 6 years.

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    Indeed, so, more bureaucracy, not less.

    It's going to be a bore when folk returning from France with their twenty bottles of plonk at EUR 3 a pop and a fine selection of chateau-bottled good stuff will have to pay duty on all save the first two bottles.

    Progress, eh?

    Back to the old days when a bottle of wine was for the toffs and a special night out at the local Eyetie trattoria with candles stuck into the Chianti bottles clad in their little woven coats.

    Brexit, bringing home the past.

    Har, har.

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    Hopefully the Cadbury factory will be relocated back to Bournville where it belongs, and came from. Not Poland. Let them make sausages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The owners of the (private) debt were (private) German and (private) French banks. Fullstop.

    The Anglo-Irish/other go under and the German and French banks would be fuk'd. Fullstop.

    The Irish government did not want to take a bailout loan because they were about to write down the debt. Fullstop.

    The ECB blackmailed the Irish government into taking a loan it did not want on terms it did not want to save the German and French banks who held the debt. Fullstop.

    Irish taxpayers fuk'd by ECB. Fullstop.

    You don't have to take my word for it, here's an Irish parliamentarian:

    It seems that the Irish NAMA formed out of the subsumed bankrupted Anglo-Irish Bank and Nationwide Mortgage Co has now recovered over EUR 34 billions for the benefit of th State and its taxpayers and is to be wound up by 2025 given it has achieved its task of restoring public finances arising out of the reckless property speculation and financing driven by the Irish economy pre-2008/9 crash.

    This was of course the intention of the government of the day to which opponents took such short sighted umbrage back in 2013/24, the date of this video.

    So, the government and the ECB were right.

    Whoudda thunk it, eh Batty?

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