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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post

    Again, yes. Both will suffer but the UK far more than the EU as the EU still has all agreements with third-nations intact and negotiates from a position of strength - neither of which applies to the UK
    Not quite correct. The EU currently has around 40 FTA's which covers 70 different countries. This past year, the UK has signed continuity agreements for 20 of these FTA's, covering 50 countries. Pertinent to remember that the UK could not enter into trade negotiations with anyone other than existing EU FTA countries until 31.1.20. From next Friday, we're free to strike deals with whomever we wish.

    Brexit: What trade deals has the UK done so far? - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    Not quite correct.
    He was correct. He posted that the EU had all its FTAs signed.

    He posted nothing about how many the UK had signed, except that it was not all of them.

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    The EU is f'ked...

    The UK will be just fine. Even this year we will grow our economy better than the EU, just like last year. From then on in it'll get better and better for us, and worse and worse for the EU - the two biggest EU contributors being France and Germany are both in worse state than the UK...

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    Endless bullsh%t from the remoaners, for several years, has just not been supported by the facts, quite the opposite. &, just how is the EU gonna be so good with Germany, France and Ita;y going down fast economically - who is left to make up the financial shortfall? Perhaps Romania or Bulgaria?

    Germany:

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    The UK on the up while Germany, France and Italy are all going down... Doesn't fit well with Mr Sausages inane words... All those little reductions by the EUs three biggest economies (excluding the Great UK), add together to cause significant problems for the EU.

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    You're all really diving on this 0.1 thing, eh?

    It's apparently the difference between being...
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    f'ked
    and being...
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    fine

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    PAG and the other knuckle draggers fail to grasp the irony when they dribble on about EU FTAs tc.

    Remember in the early days the Brexit/Kipper/Tory loons claims that the EU was a protectionist anti-free trade organisation and Britain needed to break free to strike new deals with the world.

    And what are they now doing? Yep, you guessed it, chasing round the globe to sign up continuity EU deals with those very same countries with which the EU of course had no deals because the Brxit rhetoric claimed the EU was a protectionist organisation with no free trade agreements blah, blah.

    Bonehead BoJo claimed on a visit to Korea over a year ago that it was a testament to British ingenuity and excellence that trade had blossomed between the two countries. The dickhead forgot he had been told that the EU had signed a FTA in 2015 with Korea formalising an EPA they had had since 2011. In all, the EU has signed up to over 60 EPAs, FTAs and trade agreements around the globe encompassing Japan, Korea, Australia and Mercosur among many other notable countries.

    The point is, whenever you ask a gormless Brexiteer what it is they propose to sell to foreign markets that they claim they couldn't sell whilst in the EU, all you get is a face like a gawping fish gasping for air.

    A point I have made several times but bears repetition is the not entirely insignificant fact that Ireland's largest trading partner is in fact the US.

    Brexit has nothing to do with trade, sovereignty or primacy of its courts, it is nowt more than a jingoistic aberration, a doctrinal mustard burp generated by a loathsome bunch of reactionary and prejudiced old Tory dinosaurs and their bastard sons proselytising a sour diet of xenophobic bile and dyspeptic bigotry.

    There is no deal worth having that has not already been made available to the UK. But what they will not have after 31.12.20 is access to unfettered trade in goods and services with a consumer market of 500 millions a mere 22 miles away. And remember that market was quota free and without any qualification or limitation, not like other somewhat oxymoronically named FTAs.

    It's the stupidest decision in modern British political history and there it is.
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    Well, silly chap, negative 0.2 plus negative 0.1 plus negative 0.1 from the EUs largest economies makes a massive shortfall in the EU coffers which just cannot be made up by the much smaller economies (most of whom are also struggling within the confines of the EU). - that's the point.

    This is from the EUs newsletter (don't look at the English, Cyrille, you'll be frothing...).

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    ...

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    An economic outlook for Europe in 2020 - Newsletter EuropeanNewsletter European
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post

    It's the stupidest decision in modern British political history and there it is.
    It's the best decision though for the EU, you never belonged to the EU vision in the first place

    you joining in 1974 was an heresy,

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    Nice edit on post 17065.

    Poor resolution on those new graphics and you apparently don't like links, but...

    GDP Growth in France 2019: 1.7% 2020: 1.6%
    GDP Growth in Germany 2019: 1.8% 2020: 1.6%
    GDP Growth in UK 2019:1.4% 2020: 1.5%

    All assuming 'an orderly BREXIT'.

    This is what you're creaming your over-tight union jack boxer shorts about?

    Really?

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    No, we joined in 1973. I was one of the first to benefit from free movement when I ran out of money in Aquitaine in June that year and was permitted to work because of the " common market", a socio-economic agreement that I must say had passed me by in my then haze of blue cheer acid and Lebanese Red dope.

    One of the finest accords Britain ever entered and a crying shame a bunch of old cvunts leading the dumb demographic have destroyed it.

    I sincerely long for the break-up of the UK and the economic degradation of England and Wales and when it comes the sense of schadenfreude will be absolutely exquisite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Nice edit on post 17065.

    Poor resolution on those new graphics and you apparently don't like links, but...

    GDP Growth in France 2019: 1.7% 2020: 1.6%
    GDP Growth in Germany 2019: 1.8% 2020: 1.6%
    GDP Growth in UK 2019:1.4% 2020: 1.5%

    All assuming 'an orderly BREXIT'.

    This is what you're creaming your over-tight union jack boxer shorts about?

    Really?
    I edited a spelling mistake, as is the norm of 75% of my posts. Fukwit...

    The point is, and I know it's tough for you, but try to keep up, 0.1% or 0.2% of something large like Germany's and France's economies makes a big big difference to something small like Romania's and Bulgaria's economy. When they are all in it together, and the money has already been given out (in budgets) in advance then it's just gonna sow a lot more discord within the EU.

    Here you go:

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    The German, French and Italian economies contribute 48% of the EU funds. Then there's 12% more, the UK funds, which is disappearing before long. It's not looking good for the EU - they are looking to expand and spend (on stuff like armies), but the money just isn't there. Who is gonna pay? Spain are next inline...

    Despite the endless drivel by the remoaners, the EU are gonna have a much tougher few years than the UK.
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    The EU budget is 160 billion EUR, a mere 1% of its entire combined wealth.

    Now please stuff your silly graphs where the sun don't shine, you neurotic eejit.

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    Of course you're upset, Mr Sausage - Ireland will suffer more than any other European nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    This is from the EUs newsletter (don't look at the English, Cyrille, you'll be frothing...).
    What's f..king wrong with you mactard, isn't there a text copy and paste function on the mac?
    Do I have to tell you what's so wrong with that?

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    Ireland's GDP per capita income is around $82,000, the UK around $41,000, Ireland's debt to GDP ratio is 56%, the UK its 86%, Ireland's annual growth rate is 5.6%, the UK 1.4%.

    In the immortal words of WB Yeats, " who gives a fuck about the English".

    Put it on the map for you Battyboob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    It's the best decision though for the EU, you never belonged to the EU vision in the first place

    you joining in 1974 was an heresy,
    Be honest, aren't you glad we're leaving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Ireland's GDP per capita income is around $82,000, the UK around $41,000, Ireland's debt to GDP ratio is 56%, the UK its 86%, Ireland's annual growth rate is 5.6%, the UK 1.4%.

    In the immortal words of WB Yeats, " who gives a fuck about the English".

    Put it on the map for you Battyboob.
    I hear they were celebrating double-digit growth a couple years back in Zimbabwe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Ireland's annual growth rate is 5.6%, the UK 1.4%.
    Rather selective, Mr Sausage...

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    Ireland did well between 2014-2017 when the German and French banks were throwing money at them, but things have rather changed since then...

    The same site has a comparison with the UK:

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    United Kingdom GDP Annual Growth Rate

    Mr Sausage was certainly right that Ireland did very well between 2014-2017. But, his statement is simply untrue for the present year or two or expanded over the long term. As I said, he chose quite a selective period of time, neither now, the immediate past, the midterm, nor longterm - 2014 to 2017.

    If we take the figures stated from that site, the longterm is Ireland 1.43% while the UK is 2.45%. Or, if we just took the last two years we'd have Ireland below the UK, again. But, yeah, if we only use 2014-2017 and use vague terms such as "annual growth rate" (not this year's, not last years, not the ten year average, not the 20 year average, not the long term records, but just use that vague term to mean a slice, a slither in time...) then Ireland has performed well.
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    Christ, the other half of the tag team " Fuckwitz'Rus" has arrived. Hey, Battyboob, your wingman is here.

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    WTF is wrong with you Boob??

    Ireland's GDP growth year-on-year averaged 8.2% in 2018 and 5% in 2019.

    The UK has been stagnating scarcely getting much over 1%.

    Just accept it, the UK economy is in a parlous state with a rising GDP debt ratio exceeding 86%, a widening current account deficit, appallingly low productivity rate, a stagnant growth projection that will contract on a WTO Brexit and the currency has devalued by 20% since 2015.

    Ireland, even with Brxit, is forecast to grow more and faster.

    Eat it up.

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    If you say so, Mr Sausage...

    But, that site is a very good one for comparisons, so let's use it. The UK is blue while Ireland is a dotted black line.

    25 years:
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    10 years:
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    3 years:
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    2 years:
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    Last 12 months:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Be honest, aren't you glad we're leaving?
    I will be celebrating with British tourists in Paris in the nearest Pub on Jan 31st

    I am sure those Pubs have planned a party for it

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    There is something seriously wrong with that Battyboob fella. A compulsive obsessive without any insight into his disorder.

    A worry, a definite worry.

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    A worry, a definite worry.
    dont worry, be happy. its a long game s.a. and really, in spite of all the predictions and gloomy forecasts, the uk will, after a bumpy year or two, be just fine.

    graphs, flowcharts, stats. they may chart the past, but they are rarely accurate about the future. take no notice of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Well you'll also appreciate that those that support Brexit are not all racists
    Of course. Not all Brexiteers are racist but it seems all racists are Brexiteers

    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    I prefer to look at this as an opportunity to change direction
    And that's probably the healthiest way to look at it. The decision was made, irrespective of how as that is now irrelevant, and we shall see what happens in the short and medium terms. If things go bad I'm sure the typical EU-blaming will be front and centre, not least by that fucktard Johnson and if things don't go as badly (because they won't go well) then said fucktard will credit himself

    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    From next Friday, we're free to strike deals with whomever we wish.
    Good. Again, it is from a position of weakness with the might of the EU looming in the background

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    He was correct. He posted that the EU had all its FTAs signed.

    He posted nothing about how many the UK had signed, except that it was not all of them
    Thanks

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    At every point the remoaners have been proven wrong, on every single tangible issue and marker.

    I see the next few years being very similar; the EU will struggle more than the UK. &, if I'm wrong then seems as I live in Korea, not to worry...

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