1. #17026
    Thailand Expat cyrille's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    18,798
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    The EU will be better off without the UK
    I have not heard of one major European political or business figure maintaining this.

    Well, in their more exasperated moments maybe some have.

    The strong consensus seems to be that both the EU and the UK will suffer, with the UK suffering most through straightforward maths.

  2. #17027
    Hansum Man! panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 11:06 AM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    20,767
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    I have not heard of one major European political or business figure maintaining this.
    I was referring to the smoother running of the EU as such. The UK has always had its opt-outs, which others didn't have.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    The strong consensus seems to be that both the EU and the UK will suffer, with the UK suffering most through straightforward maths.
    I agree. However, the UK will still be a major customer for European goods, albeit at increased prices. The labor market will retain its qualified workforce etc etc.

    The UK has really shot itself in the foot, especially in regards to qualified labor. Continental Europeans like the idea of living/working in the UK, partly because of perfecting/using their English language skills, living among a cosmopolitan population and so on . . . that goodwill has passed now - possibly a comparison to both Bush wasting good-will after 9/11 and now Trump with his arrogance and idiocies.

    But yes. Both will lose, with the UK being by far the bigger loser on many fronts

  3. #17028
    Hansum Man! panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 11:06 AM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    20,767
    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    The UK is in the top 6 economies of the world,
    To a large part because of the EU

    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    a member of the UN Security Council
    You may buy yourself something with that

    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    and has the most effective armed forces/military in Europe/EU
    To do the US' bidding. Great.



    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    Imagine if Aus/NZ as members of ASEAN were forced to accept anybody carrying an ASEAN passport, with full entitlement to housing, social security, education and health.
    Have you been to NZ? Do you know about the 'special' relationship NZ has with Pacific nations and Australia? Pretty similar on a smaller scale

    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    Can't remember if you're from Aus or NZ
    Any Australian can at any time live and work in NZ, and vice versa, and has the right to everything that you mentioned. On a smaller scale, exactly like the EU.
    In this case the numbers are skewed heavily in Kiwis moving to and living in Oz. 62k Aussies in NZ and between 600k and 800k Kiwis in Oz.

    If we drill down even further on another demographic, close to 400k Pasifika live in NZ . . . how many Kiwis live in return? A couple of thousand maybe.

    We could go on about how many Brits live in the EU countries and how the UK needs European workers more than Europe needs Brit workers, or even retirees . . . but then we're just talking numbers, numbers, numbers . . .



    I believe it was John Donne who coined the phrase 'No man is an island' and this is applicable to countries as well . . . even if they are geographically surrounded by water. Sadly, the UK is trying to prove Donne wrong

  4. #17029
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:15 PM
    Posts
    13,960
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    The $ jumped based on a slew of good news at home. Nothing at all to do with Brexit. Now back at $1.30+ and climbing.

    Why are you so gullible, and seem to think others are equally stupid, you bitter, twisted old duffer?
    I think you may be somewhat addled.

    The statistics indicate a further contraction in manufacturing and domestic consumption leading to the BoE considering a reduction in the already nugatory interest rate. The end of year retail results are worrisome and most banks have now written to all their customers reducing the rate attracted to savings accounts but this has been further compounded by the credit card companies withdrawing their own interest-free credit accounts.

    The latest devaluation in £ reflects the stupid Brexit twaddle suggesting the negotiating policy of the UK is to favour WTO status.

    In the end, the markets tell it the way it is. £ is still trading at 25% less than its value in Sept 2015, the month before the referendum was legislated.

    The buzz now is to what extent is the ERG/Tory trash going to dispense with frictionless trade. It seems the belligerent posture taken by the Clown and his rhetoric fucking over EU nationals means the EU are being sidelined in favour of WTO and sucking US cock.

    This is bad, bad news and the 3 million or so employed in manufacturing are rightly fearing the loss of their free trade in the EU.

    But what the heck, it's BoJo who told May to " fuck business".

    Have you forgotten in the twilight of your life?

  5. #17030
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:15 PM
    Posts
    13,960
    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    Must admit I felt a little confused reading this. 'Mid-rate power' being an example. The UK is in the top 6 economies of the world, a member of the UN Security Council, and has the most effective armed forces/military in Europe/EU.

    It has some of the most top rated universities in the world, is renowned for its excellence in technology and innovation, as well as London with its position as the financial capital of Europe. A point about London, reading this morning about Morgan Stanley opening a new office in Paris, with several hundred moving there from London. What the article didn't mention (think it was the Guardian) was that Morgan Stanley employs 14,000 in the UK, with a decline of no more than 2,000 expected because of Brexit. Again recently, read that office rents are expected to reach record highs in London due to shortages in office space as more companies moving in.

    Can't remember if you're from Aus or NZ, however the UK intends to move to an Australian points based immigration system rather than an immediate entitlement for anyone (and their families) with an EU passport, whether they have employment or not. Imagine if Aus/NZ as members of ASEAN were forced to accept anybody carrying an ASEAN passport, with full entitlement to housing, social security, education and health.

    Again re companies leaving the UK, this from one week ago and contrary to the never ending rubbish extolled by SA and others:

    "Chief Executive Officer Guillaume Faury said Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, which will see Britain leave the European Union on Jan. 31, means the split from the bloc “is at least now for certain,” though the nature of future ties still needs to be worked out.

    The European aerospace giant, which employs more than 13,500 people at 25 U.K. sites and supports 100,000 supplier jobs, warned under previous CEO Tom Enders that future production might be in doubt as the prospect of a no-deal Brexit threatened to create border delays and inflate costs.

    “Airbus is committed to the U.K. and to working with the new government on an ambitious industrial strategy,” Faury said late Wednesday at a company event in London. “We see great potential to improve and expand our operations in the U.K. this year.”

    Wings for all Airbus models are made in Britain, chiefly at sites near Chester and Bristol, as well as in Belfast at a plant previously owned by Bombardier Inc. and now operated by Spirit AeroSystems Holdings Inc. The U.K. will also play a vital role in helping Airbus transition to low- and zero-carbon technology, Faury said, while also praising its increased funding for the European Space Agency."
    This is all spume blowing off the crest of piffle waffle right wing twaddle.

    The UK already operates a points based immigration policy for coons and other foreign, former subject races and nations, including limiting the number of antipodeans. The policy is now to extend this to all EU citizens. This is unfortunate in that now the Tory regime will have to regulate migration according to the 1971 IA which means a cumbersome and clumsy hindrance to commercial needs now thwarted by excluding a well educated, well trained and motivated reservoir of labour only 22 miles away and one that shares a cultural cohesion.

    The recent declaration by the government that frictionless trade with the EU is not important anymore, means that the manufacturing sector contributing 11% to GDP, dependent on the EU for 48% of its market, is now undermined to a degree that it will no longer be able to compete and the EU will now withdraw. Airbus's Faury actually said that the UK has potential for expansion but in light of the recent reversal that is no longer the case. BMW, Airbus, Toyota, Nissan and PSA will all move at the end of the year if the Clown foregoes frictionless trade.

    The UK at current levels will lose around £60 billions annually for the next decade and growth will accordingly be hindered. Potentially, it is increasingly likely that up to 6% of GDP will be lost and even at best the projected increase in trade with the US and what have you will not compensate given even optimistic observers expect only a 1%-2% uptick from these alternative markets.

    The shock to the UK by abandoning a model established over 45 years culminating with FTAs with all the major economies and a burgeoning trade relationship with 500 million EU consumers will be seismic and no pundit worth their salt - from Hathaway, to Bloomberg via Soros - thinks it is worth the candle.

    As I said, the markets still have the £ at 25% less than it was before the referendum.

    Optimism never fed the pig.

    Oh, and in truth the UK is now approaching the 7-8-9th largest power in economic terms and will soon lose its G7 status and in reality it should actually now give up its seat on th security council which is an anachronism of little value. California has a larger economy than the UK but once the post Brxit ERG Clown disaster unfolds it will be less than India/Korea.

    The thing old blowhards from the former colonies fail to understand is that the UK is now irrelevant.

    Love the bit about the "army" though, made I hoot with laughter.

    Oops, nearly forgot - with the loss of frictionless trade and no alignment levelling the playing field, it's goodbye to the City's passported financial trade in the EU and a loss of up to £30 billions in revenue.
    Gosh, won't that be a bummer.
    Last edited by Seekingasylum; 21-01-2020 at 09:49 PM.

  6. #17031
    Thailand Expat
    NamPikToot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    9,710
    ^ way from the usual hot air.

    The Lords have voted through a forth amendment to the Brexit Bill...excellent news.

  7. #17032
    Thailand Expat
    Troy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Last Online
    Today @ 11:09 AM
    Location
    In the EU
    Posts
    8,176
    ^ The amendment to support child refugees; the Lord Dubs amendment I referred to in an earlier post.

    Unfortunately, it is likely to be overturned in the Commons.


    Brexit - It's Still On!-_110595181_dubs_afp-jpg

    Brexit: Government defeated by peers over child refugees - BBC News
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Brexit - It's Still On!-_110595181_dubs_afp-jpg  

  8. #17033
    Hansum Man! panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 11:06 AM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    20,767
    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    ^ way from the usual hot air.
    Why not point out where he's wrong instead of being flippant?

  9. #17034
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:15 PM
    Posts
    13,960
    Because he lacks both the intellect and the ability to express himself except in the usual regurgitated terms of the lumpen rehearsing pap they have gleaned second hand from the usual dumbed down propagandising sources.

  10. #17035
    Thailand Expat jabir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    10,025
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Pointing out facts shouldn't necessitate a move, though . . . the Uk is buggered at least in the first few years - I doubt anyone can argue that
    Probably, but the EU is a larger economy and far more potent on the global stage than the USSR ever was. Making a yuge assumption, that we stay afloat as the Socialist project weakens and drops to its knees, it should leave us as the centre of gravity in Europe. Then no doubt form will kick in for our glorious leaders to fcuk it up.

    Either way, hopefully it crashes before the EU army is up and running proper, otherwise the irony could well be that the EU, marketed to curb German ambitions, becomes the tool that once again raises that ugly head.

    Last edited by jabir; 22-01-2020 at 08:39 AM.

  11. #17036
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:33 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,122
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    I have not heard of one major European political or business figure maintaining this.

    Well, in their more exasperated moments maybe some have.

    The strong consensus seems to be that both the EU and the UK will suffer, with the UK suffering most through straightforward maths.
    Your consensus perhaps? As for straightforward maths, that again is your style. You seem to exist in a reality vacuum, where nothing is as complex as the real world ... oh wait

  12. #17037
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:33 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,122
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The UK already operates a points based immigration policy for coons and other foreign, former subject races and nations, including limiting the number of antipodeans. The policy is now to extend this to all EU citizens. This is unfortunate in that now the Tory regime will have to regulate migration according to the 1971 IA which means a cumbersome and clumsy hindrance to commercial needs now thwarted by excluding a well educated, well trained and motivated reservoir of labour only 22 miles away and one that shares a cultural cohesion.
    Sounds exactly like the German system. Halfwit.

  13. #17038
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:33 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,122
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The UK at current levels will lose around £60 billions annually for the next decade and growth will accordingly be hindered. Potentially, it is increasingly likely that up to 6% of GDP will be lost and even at best the projected increase in trade with the US and what have you will not compensate given even optimistic observers expect only a 1%-2% uptick from these alternative markets.
    More estimates plucked from the ether. When will you begin to realise that no one can predict what will happen? You are consistently wrong with your currency predictions. Why should your fantasy based ideas on economics have any more credence than your backwards currency dreams? Idiot mittens.

  14. #17039
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:33 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,122
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Oops, nearly forgot - with the loss of frictionless trade and no alignment levelling the playing field, it's goodbye to the City's passported financial trade in the EU and a loss of up to £30 billions in revenue.
    Gosh, won't that be a bummer.
    Yet another of your assumed future lies. London will continue to be the world financial centre for decades at least. The EU lacks the expertise and probity to run a raffle, never mind world standard financial services. You really should clean some of that egg off your withering gesicht. Hapless cretin.

  15. #17040
    Thailand Expat cyrille's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    18,798
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    You seem to exist in a reality vacuum, where nothing is as complex as the real world ... oh wait

    You don’t understand how that rather jaded way of seeming smart works.

    And your ‘reality’ expired when ‘Dad’s Army’ disbanded, Private Godfrey.

  16. #17041
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:15 PM
    Posts
    13,960
    The negotiations post 31/1/20 will be about the trade in goods and fisheries, not services. But the UK desperately wants to retain its passporting rights in the financial sector, a contribution to its GDP of around £30 billions. Ironically, it was the ECJ which found for the City in determining its rights to trade in the EUR but of course you wouldn't know that, would you. The thing is, May was well aware that alignment with the EU and agreeing to the level playing field was crucial in retaining some vestige of access to European markets by the UK's services sector but BoJo and his Goebbels are hell bent on throwing a spanner in those works.

    Putin couldn't have done a better job in destroying Britain.

  17. #17042
    Thailand Expat
    NamPikToot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    9,710
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Why not point out where he's wrong instead of being flippant?
    Because he trots out the same apocolyptic tedium daily ya muppet, try reading it for a few years. Christ only knows how his bloke puts up with it. Victor meldrew had a sunnier outlook on life.

  18. #17043
    Hansum Man! panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 11:06 AM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    20,767
    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    try reading it for a few years
    Oh, I have. . . . since 2008

    Sure, he prattles on but he does cite facts and economic data. I tend to agree with him on many facets in this topic because of this

    As I've said before, I'm not a Brit and have no family connections to anything Anglo and really couldn't care less about the UK.
    I look at it from a pragmatic angle, devoid of nationalistic shades, and it's obvious that a lot of the bravado that comes with this topic is just that - nationalistic bravado.

    Again, yes. Both will suffer but the UK far more than the EU as the EU still has all agreements with third-nations intact and negotiates from a position of strength - neither of which applies to the UK

  19. #17044
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:15 PM
    Posts
    13,960
    " Prattles on"???

    When casting pearls before swine one needs to lay the ground first lest the porkers not comprehend.

    Brexit folk are notoriously stupid and so slapping it on with a trowel is inevitable.

    The lower class oiks are the worst.

  20. #17045
    Thailand Expat
    NamPikToot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    9,710
    ^^Well you'll also appreciate that those that support Brexit are not all racists and the future isn't as fixed as that bore would have you believe. None of you posters that hold a bleak view of the UKs future are actually here in the UK but sit where ever you are spilling doom and gloom daily whilst we will live with what is going to happen. I prefer to look at this as an opportunity to change direction and its outcome is yet to be known but i will be a part of it rather than someone parked in shitsville taking UK govt money for occupying a desk for years and sniping and being snide.
    Last edited by NamPikToot; 22-01-2020 at 12:41 PM.

  21. #17046
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:33 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,122
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post

    You don’t understand how that rather jaded way of seeming smart works.

    And your ‘reality’ expired when ‘Dad’s Army’ disbanded, Private Godfrey.
    You missed the massive whooshing sound as everything goes completely ver your head.
    Like seeking ass, you like to make false assumptions based on the vacuum between your ears. WBA were closer to beating Stoke with similar misguided judgements.
    .

  22. #17047
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    Today @ 06:33 AM
    Location
    Sumatra
    Posts
    4,122
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Oh, I have. . . . since 2008

    Sure, he prattles on but he does cite facts and economic data. I tend to agree with him on many facets in this topic because of this

    As I've said before, I'm not a Brit and have no family connections to anything Anglo and really couldn't care less about the UK.
    I look at it from a pragmatic angle, devoid of nationalistic shades, and it's obvious that a lot of the bravado that comes with this topic is just that - nationalistic bravado.

    Again, yes. Both will suffer but the UK far more than the EU as the EU still has all agreements with third-nations intact and negotiates from a position of strength - neither of which applies to the UK
    Oh yes, he talks a good game, but under all that guesswork is just a sad old man full of hatred for the life he wasted in the CS.
    Bitter doesn’t even come close to measuring the hatred spawned by his regret.

  23. #17048
    Thailand Expat cyrille's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    18,798
    Well that’s your point proven, ph.

    We’ve had years of this from these empty Brexit vessels.

  24. #17049
    Member
    Bettyboo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:02 PM
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    32,259
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Well that’s your point proven, ph.

    We’ve had years of this from these empty Brexit vessels.
    Brexit - It's Still On!-screenshot-2020-01-22-15-20-a

    How many days to Brexit - A Brexit countdown timer
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Brexit - It's Still On!-screenshot-2020-01-22-15-20-a  
    How do I post these pictures???

  25. #17050
    Thailand Expat cyrille's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    18,798
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Well that’s your point proven, ph.
    You really should abandon this silly 'A lot of what I'm calling it is just what I'm calling it: what I'm calling it' line, though.

Page 682 of 733 FirstFirst ... 182582632672674675676677678679680681682683684685686687688689690692732 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •