Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Incidentally, I have no idea why the moderating oaf moved my post revealing the fact that Prag's video produced by the group " Spiked" is a front organisation that emerged from the old British Trotskyite/Militant Tendency/Socialist Workers Party and now has roots in the emerging nationalist extremist movement.

It is germane to the debate to educate posters as to how easily they can be manipulated if they do not query sources. Quite how anyone could quibble at that is mystifying.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

once BoJo the Clown gets to mess with the Treasury favouring the tax evaders

Ah but they need all money they can get and then it will drizzle down onto the middle class hard working men

Pitiful, truly pitiful.

Brown, like Greenspan, acknowledged they had underestimated the scope of the banking moral hazard as they capitalised debt and processed it as a negotiable product throughout the financial industry.

That was the "big mistake".

Brown was no more responsible for the banksters than Merkel was for VW's lies on emissions, you idiot.

Look, Numfuktwat, you simply haven't got the ability to post so why bother?

Incidentally, it was Eddie George as BoE governor who advised Brown at the end of 2003 that British banks should be permitted to increase their lending by relaxing the constraints previously applied at the rate of 9 x holdings. Two things emerged from that, a boom in the house markets when the price became a function of credit supply, and the abandonment by the banks of the hitherto prudent regime of risk analysis which fostered the insane gorging on CDOs etc.

This disaster was in truth the apotheosis of the private sector's penchant for avarice at the expense of good governance.

Under BoJo the Clown and his Brexit carpetbaggers we are now back in that territory.

Nothing compared to Churchill's caving in to agreeing a return to the Gold Standard in 1925 precipitating a world wide depression because of its deflationary impact.

Still, his worshipper, BoJo the Clown, will no doubt hasten the piffle waffle period of Brexit stagflation.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Still, his worshipper, BoJo the Clown, will no doubt hasten the piffle waffle period of Brexit stagflation.

Serious question TheGents. How come someone as clever as you never used his educational abilities to prevent himself ending up living in Thailand's biggest cesspit? Just thinking like.

Who is ending up?

Given the Royal family, most Bangkokians with money to spare, the Boon Rawd family and members of the CP dynasty all have homes here, some of whom are my near and immediate neighbours, in what you term a "cesspit", one wonders about the exclusivity of your own little moo baan cloistered in that cosmopolitan colony ofthe celebrated cognoscenti, intelligentsia and all-round creme-de-la-creme Isaanites of fucking shitkickersville, Nakhon Fucking Nowhere.

Originally Posted by Switch

The north of the EU, Germany and France are suffering from banking disasters, and the wrong brand of socialism. Macron is taking lessons from Italy on how to cheat financially by ignoring EU rules. Italy is in crisis, economically and politically.

The south are not recovering from recession, they are saddled with debt, gifted by the EU with conditions attached to keep them compliant, while mass unemployment keeps the young particularly, in poverty.
...

Still trying to justify Brexit ...

So which country will leave the EU next?

None.

Sure there are problems and sure many have their gripes with the EU but it continues to help them as the UK will shortly be finding out.

I am happy to be able to retire and watch from afar...

Probably all Labour's fault...

https://www.theguardian.com/business...9-survey-shows

UK economy in stagnation at end of 2019, survey shows.


British Chambers of Commerce report says long-term uncertainty is impeding growth.
The UK economy ended 2019 in stagnation, under pressure from long-term uncertainty, mounting business costs and a global economic slowdown, according to a business survey.


The British Chambers of Commerce’s (BCC) latest quarterly economic snapshot, based on a poll of 6,500 firms across the country in November, painted a gloomy picture of the economy at the end of the last decade.


The service sector, which accounts for almost 80% of economic output, worsened in the final quarter of the year. Indicators for factories’ export and domestic orders were negative for two consecutive quarters for the first time in a decade, and manufacturers’ investment plans hit an eight-year low.
Cash flow, a key indicator of the health of businesses, improved slightly from its lowest level in eight years but remained very weak across the manufacturing and service industries.


Suren Thiru, the BCC’s head of economics, said: “The UK economy limped through the final quarter of 2019.


“The fourth quarter was characterised by a broad-based slowdown in the dominant services sector with all key indicators weakening in the quarter, amid sluggish household expenditure and crippling cost pressures.


“Despite some improvements, indicators in the manufacturing sector remain very weak by historic standards. A faltering service sector together with listless manufacturing activity points to a downbeat outturn for UK GDP growth in the fourth quarter of 2019.”


The BCC is forecasting a slowdown in economic growth to 0.2% in the final three months of 2019, from 0.3% in the third quarter. The Bank of England estimates growth of just 0.1% in the fourth quarter, when high street spending stalled and many firms put investment plans on hold before the election and due to Brexit uncertainty.
The BCC estimates the UK economy grew by 1.3% in 2019. It predicts growth will slow to 1% in 2020, which would be the weakest performance since 2009.


The BCC said the key indicators in the service sector remained well below their historic averages. The balance of firms reporting increased domestic sales minus those reporting lower sales worsened to 11% between October and December, from 15% in the third quarter. Those reporting increased domestic orders fell from 9% to 6%. Both are at their lowest level since the first quarter of this year.


The export sales measure dropped from 6% to 5%, while export orders slipped from 1% to 0%, the lowest level since early 2019. Fewer firms are reporting improved cash flow, and the number of those looking to increase investment or training has also dropped from the third quarter.


Turning to manufacturers, the measures for domestic and export sales improved slightly. However, order books were negative for the last two quarters.
The export orders balance remained stuck at -3%, the first time since autumn 2009 that this measure has been negative for two quarters in a row. This is despite a decline of about 10% in the value of the pound against the dollar and the euro since the 2016 Brexit vote, which has made UK exports more competitive.


The domestic orders balance for manufacturing firms improved from -7% to -1%, but has been negative for two consecutive quarters for the first time since the end of 2011.
Adam Marshall, the BCC’s director general, called on the government to use its newfound majority to take big decisions to stimulate growth.


“The end of political deadlock at Westminster must also bring action to renew business confidence and tackle the prolonged stagnation that’s affecting so much of the UK economy. If ministers take action to reduce upfront costs, move key infrastructure projects forward, and to help businesses on training, they’ll be rewarded with increased investment.


“However, they also must move quickly over the coming weeks to ensure that Brexit is done right. A clear future trading relationship with the EU is also crucial to many firms’ future investment and growth prospects.”

^ indeed, the austerity due to Blair's terrible non-regulation of the banks...

Here's our favourite speaker (&, I agree with everything he says here):

Originally Posted by cyrille

Cash flow, a key indicator of the health of businesses, improved slightly from its lowest level in eight years

That awful Guardian article is just too long and boring. A lot like you.
I have selected a typical quote, from which the journo has extrapolated disaster, when the BCC have actually said, "improvement".

The entire article is based on the same guff opinion piece, by cherry picking positives, and turning them into a predicted disiaster for the UK. It's the same thing that seeking ass does with his warped imagination making shit up for him.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Who is ending up?

Given the Royal family, most Bangkokians with money to spare, the Boon Rawd family and members of the CP dynasty all have homes here, some of whom are my near and immediate neighbours, in what you term a "cesspit", one wonders about the exclusivity of your own little moo baan cloistered in that cosmopolitan colony ofthe celebrated cognoscenti, intelligentsia and all-round creme-de-la-creme Isaanites of fucking shitkickersville, Nakhon Fucking Nowhere.

i bet they are impressed when they pop round for Crudites with Mayo and HP.

Is this Cyrille doing a phone in?

^
Strange that. I watched said video a couple of hours ago and couldn't believe how stupid the Labour voter/supporter is. Is it Cyrille?

^^

This is a bit of a one-eyed look, but it's true that there is a turn now that parliament actually supports Brexit - the EU is not in a good place.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Here's our favourite speaker (&, I agree with everything he says here):

A really good speech about crimes which consequences the whole world is to face of...

No cause for complacency, they're not to be trusted, and fwiw neither is our glorious leader.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

^
Strange that. I watched said video a couple of hours ago and couldn't believe how stupid the Labour voter/supporter is. Is it Cyrille?

yep, definitely Cy, with his screeching annoying voice

^ So you have met him?

Originally Posted by Troy

^ & ^^ I hate Farage with a passion. He's the sort of two-faced fooking wanker that is shallower than puddle water, with all the right sound bites but no answers.

The poster with the queues of refugees and migrants coming into the EU with the false idea that they were going to be EU citizens able to pop across to the UK fooled millions. Dirty, unforgivable trick that should have meant instant disqualification from all types of politics.

Just my humble opinion of course...

Troy is it possible that the English just wanted to do their own thing and not be subject to the EU? I'm sure a lot of the English Fishers were on that line of thought. Maybe the posters on refugees convinced a few but there were many more issues that may have been far more important to the average voter. Your opinion doesn't make it so and your disapointment that you were in the minority maybe colouring you judgement of the many rather than the few.

Originally Posted by Troy

I haven't heard Farage speak of a way in which the UK would thrive if free from UK shackles. Nor have I heard anyone explain how that could happen. If it does happen then I will tip my hat and say well done, never thought it could happen...

...Will I take back my thoughts on the silly posters and dirty tricks?

No Never!

The UK should be taking in far more refugees. I fought for that freedom for myself and for others, as did my ancestors...

The problem today with refugees is that the definition could refer to half the worlds population at least. Many of these refugees are not just looking for a safe place but a country where they will be financially better off in many cases. A case in point is the many Islamic refugees that travel through half of Europe to get to Germany and the refugees that travel to France just to get to the U.K. In Australia Iranians designated refugees by the U.N. and settled in Australia have been found returning to Iran for a holiday.

Originally Posted by lom

^ So you have met him?

many times over

^^ Whatever the influence, which we'll never know, the poster was abhorrent and incorrect. Farage did not apologise despite being given the opportunity.

Re refugees, taking the 1 percentile, and trying to make it appear as the norm, is a typical propaganda trick.

Another Labour hopeful singing the same song as the Independant Party...

Manages to say absolutely nothing other than Boris Johnson is a liar whereas she is honest and can 'reach' people. Labour have some really poor candidates (as the Tories did), and she is just dire, imho.

Labour didn't get the message, they seldom do: we're giving the worst Tory PM in living memory a landslide; that's how bad you are!