Brexit - It's Still On!

**Seekingasylum** · 30-10-2019, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Let's hope Mr Sausage is right (there's always the possibility of a first time...), and the Tories win with a Brexit mandate then push Boris' deal out to a nigh on "No Deal" Brexit. He is gonna have to work with Farage somehow though...

Imagine if the LibDems somehow got a majority and just passed a law revoking - it's almost worth them winning to see the reaction to that approach; almost, but not quite.

However Labour do, Corbyn will be out; if Labour do well, Starmer will want to take over the party; if Labour do badly, Starmer will want to take over the party. What's the betting on Starmer being Labour leader by February/March?

There is a wee problem though, a fly in the ointment, a nigger in the woodpile. BoJo is to be investigated for corruption involving payments to his septic slapper when he was mayor of London. The mayor's office has postponed investigation at the request of the Met. Police so as not to prejudice an outcome but most know this is Priti Patel as home secretary postponing things.
Like the Trump chicanery, in the end the pus must flow and BoJo has to answer for his crimes....

**Bettyboo** · 30-10-2019, 07:42 PM

Couldn't give a fuk about Bojo or any of the other 600+ corrupt scumbags - just get Brexit done...

**taxexile** · 30-10-2019, 09:51 PM

s.a.

This is a huge punt by the LibDems in hoping they will reap a dividend by being the Remain party and the party that put country first and contrived an election bringing an end to the deadlock. Personally, I think the gamble was precipitate and stupid. Before, they were seen as a party that wanted a second referendum in order to revoke and were steadfast in that aim, and the longer the Brexit farce dragged on the more they were seen as an attractive alternative to BoJo. Now that BoJo has been let off the hook and given his election he so desperately wanted before Xmas ( a Labour party under the leadership of Corbyn is not guaranteed to last another year and without him at the helm the Tories were not guaranteed to win a majority), the public have been given the opportunity to resolve matters themselves and will almost certainly vote for Tories, for "closure", breaking the deadlock once and for all.

This is a disaster for those who know that Brexit means a lurch to the extreme right and the creation of a faux, ersatz, gimcrack, cod, phoney US - like state with a further polarisation between the burgeoning corporate carpetbaggers and their tax-dodging shills, and the exploited.

The Tories will almost certainly win an overall majority, and with a party that has purged itself of "remainers", they will harden Brexit into a Frankenstein construct born out of the diseased minds of the vested interests feasting on their reinvigorated Thatcherite fantasies.

I imagine with the degree of stupidity now prevalent in England, that a Tory majority could be in the region of 30+. This will almost certainly mean Scottish independence is that much nearer as indeed will be Irish unification.

The £ is in for an interesting ride but if the augurs are right, and England moves to dismantle the current welfare state, to reduce workers rights and to privatise the NHS as it establishes its new iteration as a pseudo freebooting state, then its relationship with the EU will inevitably be confrontational and any chance of a free trade relationship will almost certainly be curtailed as lines of competition are drawn down the Channel.

As I said before, in these circumstances it is now a certainty that Nissan, Toyota, BMW, PSA, the remains of Ford and Airbus will quit England. Inward investment will be American predators looking to take a slice of the £120 billions NHS pie and to dump their food surpluses, and Asians will be buying up cheap assets as the country morphs into a third country tat destination utterly reliant on its services sector with a working population of poorly paid drones.

Ultimately, it makes sense that the £ will achieve parity with the $US, Engerlandia will be just another satellite stooge for Uncle Sam.

In the end Brexit is going to kill the Tories stone dead when the reality dawns on what passes for possibly the most foolish electorate in the free world.

poor old s.a, what are we going to do with him.

nature, not content with denying him the ability to think, has unfortunately endowed him with the ability to write.

**Seekingasylum** · 31-10-2019, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Couldn't give a fuk about Bojo or any of the other 600+ corrupt scumbags - just get Brexit done...

Bizarre, truly bizarre.

Honestly, are you suffering from some adverse intervention?

**cyrille** · 31-10-2019, 09:58 AM

Advocating a move that will put more power in the hands of 'the corrupt scumbags'.

What an utter simpleton.

**OhOh** · 01-11-2019, 04:28 AM

Allegedly the current EU deal makes the UK unable to make any trade deals.

Trump invades Brexit: ‘We can’t make’ US-UK trade pact with current EU deal & Corbyn’s ‘so bad’ for Britain

“To be honest with you, this deal, under certain aspects of the deal, you can’t do it. You can’t trade. We can’t make a trade deal with the UK,” he said. He added that EU officials were “very tough people to deal with.”
Trump called the situation “completely ridiculous” and insisted that the US wants to “do trade” with the UK and that trade between the two “could be four-to-five times higher.”

https://www.rt.com/news/472331-trump-brexit-deal-no-trade/

Fake news?

Incompetence on Bojos part, or by design?

No Reuters report published yet, they are concentration on an alleged Iran story.

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Exclusive: Iran intervenes to prevent ousting of Iraqi prime minister - sources

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1XA2DI

**OhOh** · 01-11-2019, 05:39 AM

Corbyn Plots A Marxist Revolution - Could He Win The Election By Accident?

"Below are a summary of his key speech policies: Economic control:

He described the economy as 'a tool in the hands of policy makers'

So command and control and a return to centrally agreed 'five year industrial plans'
He is unable to understand that the 'capital and labour' economic framework from 150 years ago has been displaced by a complex, high skilled service and innovation driven economy. 75% of our economic output is now non-industrial.
His understanding of economics and business is defined by the prism of worker vs capital zero sum conflict

He will scrap the Trade Union laws and nationalise rail, national electricity grid, water and mail.

The Trade Unions will just push for extortionate wage increases, which is a tax on consumers, is inflationary and pushes up the IRR hurdle on new private investments
In terms of nationalising certain complex, large, low RoE utility sectors; Im not so against it, if they are well run (which they wont be by the party bosses). We have had coordination and investment problems with rail and the national grid needs investment for electrical transportation in the coming years

Pharmaceutical IP theft:

'Using compulsory licensing to secure generic versions of patented medicines. We’ll tell the drugs companies that if they want public research funding then they’ll have to make their drugs affordable for all. And we will create a new publicly owned generic drugs manufacturer to supply cheaper medicines to our NHS'

He seems to have missed the part where the drug company gambled billions in developing the new drug and going forwards will make sure they don't do any valuable R&D within the UK in order to protect their product IP and patents but will probably still use government money for early stage, primary scientific research
Hs also doesnt understand the difference between biotechnology drugs which involve an organic chemistry process (that is usually secret) and pharmaceutical drugs that are made in a traditional factory and can be more easily generically made

Government sponsored education programmes:

'Free education for everyone throughout life as a right not a privilege. No more university tuition fees. Free childcare and a new Sure Start programme. Free vocational and technical education. And free training for adults.'

It has to be paid for by taxes, so why does he think he can spend this money better via centralisation than the tax payers organising their own education and training?
Child care has already been regulated to the point of unaffordability. Pre-school nursery costs on average £12k a year, the highest cost in the world, vs around £5k per child school place.
Scrapping tuition fees would cost about £20bn a year, or 1% of GDP.

Wealth redistribution:

He will give the workforce a 10% stake in large companies, paying a dividend of up to £500 a year to every employee. He will increase the minimum wage by almost 20%.

Large companies by definition have been the most successful ones and are essential for productivity/ volume of GDP, but here he wants to increase their cost of capital through basically a form of a shared ownership tax and rising the wages of the least productive workers

He wants to tax the top 5% and big companies.

While big companies drive GDP volume, its often small, entrepreneurial ones that come up with the breakthroughs that drive productivity growth
All higher taxes will do is increase the before tax IRR hurdle on a project and reduce investment
The Tories would cut taxes in an effort to bring in investment and jobs, which in turn see taxes through payrolls and sales taxes

5 year central plans:

UK industrial output is about £500bn a year, or 25% of GDP. He announced he would spend an unbelievable 25% of GDP, or 5% of annual GDP if spread over 5 years, on two large scale sets of new spending programmes. Corbyn is a Unions & QUANGO workers wet dream.
He will spend £250bn (£50bn a year/ 10% of UK annual industrial output if spread over 5 years) on energy, transport and broadband infrastructure.

In comparison parliament found a need for just £3-5bn of telecoms subsidy in rural areas. The private sector can deliver fast charging stations. The Tories are spending single digit billions on other areas of transportation plus the white elephant of HS2.
Its not clear at all what the £250bn would be spent on, why the private sector cant and whether it would pay for itself.

He will spend £250bn on 'capital for businesses and co-ops'

No details, but could be the nationalisation programme or some other government/ union/ company forced union."

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ction-accident

An anti Corbyn piece which does however illustrate some alleged possibilities.

It appears very similar that which some countries to the east have adopted and produced positive outcomes.

**cyrille** · 01-11-2019, 06:09 AM

This isn't a UK election thread, Roger.

And zero hedge is right wing trumptard drivel.

**Hugh Cow** · 01-11-2019, 06:26 AM

Corbyns ideas do sound good in theory and it is hard to argue against a more equal society but like the perpetual motion machine, good in theory but unworkable in practice. Meanwhile so much for Bojos impeachment.
My election forecast from afar and not tainted by any particular allegiance is Bojo in with a slim majority. Libdems decimated. Labour reduced seats and Nigel farage telling how well he did by picking up 2 or 3 seats. Anyone else game to forecast the result?
If I'm wrong and Farage picks up a swag of seats, It's a no deal Brexit. If I'm totally wrong and Labour wins, very interesting times ahead, at least if you are on the outside looking from afar.

**David48atTD** · 01-11-2019, 06:39 AM

If Corbyn is the answer to a question, it was a silly question in the first place.

Corbyn - Bah humbug

**Switch** · 01-11-2019, 08:12 AM

The communist re-nationalisation of core industries, and free education for life, will obviously appeal to young idealists, and the old will have their personal care government funded.
Unfortunately there will be no capital based economy to fund this, and the essential increase in CS to disburse this largesse.
Economy goes through another rinse and repeat cycle, until the young idealists realise that it can only be paid for by a free market economy.

**OhOh** · 01-11-2019, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Switch

a free market economy.

Pray tell where this "free market" is situated.

**cyrille** · 01-11-2019, 04:08 PM

I don't get complicated about it with him.

He loves austerity when its other people's austerity.

**Chittychangchang** · 01-11-2019, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Pray tell where this "free market" is situated.

Chesterfield on Thursdays

**Troy** · 02-11-2019, 02:20 AM

Fookwit Farage is blabbering on again about getting into bed with the Tories. It'll never happen. No-one wants this cock in parliament.

The Brexit extension means I can take the wife Xmas shopping in England without a visa...

A lib/lab alliance would piss off a few people on TD....

**OhOh** · 02-11-2019, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Chesterfield on Thursdays

A great Derbyshire town, been their many times.

**Switch** · 02-11-2019, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by cyrille

I don't get complicated about it with him.

He loves austerity when its other people's austerity.

As usual, you are getting facts confused with your opinion.

**Dragonfly** · 02-11-2019, 03:59 PM

General election 2019: Boris Johnson rejects pact with Nigel Farage
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50264395

Boris Johnson has rejected the suggestion from Nigel Farage and Donald Trump that he should work with the Brexit Party during the election.

The Tory leader told the BBC he was "always grateful for advice" but he would not enter into election pacts.

His comments come after the US president said Mr Farage and Mr Johnson would be "an unstoppable force".

Downing Street sources say there are no circumstances in which the Tories would work with the Brexit Party.

In an interview with BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg, the prime minister said the "difficulty" of doing deals with "any other party" was that it "simply risks putting Jeremy Corbyn into Number 10".

"The problem with that is that his [Mr Corbyn's] plan for Brexit is basically yet more dither and delay," Mr Johnson said.

Mr Johnson also said there was "no question of negotiating on the NHS" as part of any future trade deal with the US, but he did not rule out expanding the amount of private provision in the health service in the future.

But Labour's shadow health secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said the public "can't trust the Tories on the NHS", saying they would "increase privatisation even further and do a deal with Donald Trump".

**Dragonfly** · 02-11-2019, 04:00 PM

Thank you Boris, I got my bet payoff on Betfair for the Oct 31 exit date, a nice 100%

**Seekingasylum** · 02-11-2019, 08:11 PM

English are losers.

We should be making T shirts.

**Norton** · 02-11-2019, 08:51 PM

Over breakfast this AM, granddaughter says, "I don't understand why English news talking so much about breakfast". Brought a smile and reply from me. "Google dog breakfast honey".

**Chittychangchang** · 03-11-2019, 10:20 AM

^

**OhOh** · 05-11-2019, 09:15 PM

Farage Says Brexit Party Will Field 600+ Candidates, Dashing Hopes For Pro-Brexit Election Alliance

"UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson's conservative party is still leading in most polls for the upcoming UK general election called to help strengthen his mandate. But in a development that threatens to destroy his Tory-led coalition, Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage has dashed rumors about a possible Tory-BP alliance.

Instead of holding back and focusing on Labour-held seats in districts that favored Brexit during the referendum, Farage announced that his party will field candidates in more than 600 races, threatening to split the pro-Brexit vote and raising the possibility that Jeremy Corbyn could emerge as prime minister.

In the latest ICM poll, Conservatives led with 38%, followed by Labour at 31%, the Lib Dems at 15% and the Brexit Party at 9%.

The latest note from a team of Deutsche Bank analysts focused on Brexit recounted that, over the weekend, a series of polls showed that the two establishment parties appear to be gaining support, suggesting that December's general election could be more of a two-party race than analysts and investors had initially expected. Still, Farage's decision threatens to throw a wrench into the works.

Farage's decision comes after he personally decided to sit out the race (Farage doesn't exactly have a great track record when it comes to running for the House of Commons: He's tried and failed eight times already). In an interview with the BBC over the weekend, Farage concluded that he could advance the country’s exit from the European Union better by campaigning on behalf of his populist party’s other candidates than by contesting a seat himself.

Farage added that he would campaign aggressively against Johnson's withdrawal agreement following the PM's "broken promise" to leave the EU by Oct. 31. The withdrawal agreement is the crux of Johnson's election manifesto. Labour also opposes Johnson's deal, and has said that, if Corbyn ousts Johnson, he will return to Brussels to negotiate a new deal, then put it to the public in a second referendum, which could result in Brexit being cancelled in its entirety.

"There are so many Labour-Leave seats...represented by remain member of Parliament...and we view those constituencies as being absolutely among our top targets," Farage said late last week during the BP's campaign launch.

Some pro-Leave pundits will no doubt be alarmed by Farage's decision. One senior Tory backbencher griped to the Telegraph that Farage now risks becoming "the man who threw away Brexit."

The pound tumbled to its lowest level of the day on the news."

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage?ref...rexit-election

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...rexit-election

**cyrille** · 05-11-2019, 09:56 PM

One senior Tory backbencher griped to the Telegraph that Farage now risks becoming "the man who threw away Brexit."

**Chittychangchang** · 05-11-2019, 10:03 PM

If only Corbyn would stand by his anti EU values, he's win by a landslide.

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