Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

^^

Tell you what, snowflake, why don't you trawl through wherever it is that keeps you in touch with the world for a politician that's squeaky clean enough for you to publicly endorse.

No fan of Bojo, but face facts he's managed to polish a turd and present it as a gem, his gem, albeit May's turd. I give him credit for that, while hoping Parliament is not fickle enough to reject the surrender treaty 3x only to pass it on the 4th.

And assuming he is as you claim a sex addict, which clearly causes you distress, in your less than humble opinion should sex addicts be disqualified from high office, or only those you don't like? Afaik there are loads of sex addicts just down the road; should I be taking precautions? Over to you...squirrel!

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

No, Harry, you are wallowing in the mire of your incomprehension. The vote will be on the deal as agreed between the EU and BoJo - the DUP object, and on doctrinal grounds several others may wish to vote it down so as to skewer BoJo. If it is rejected then BoJo will therefore seek an extension which will be used to either hold a GE or a REF2, or indeed a Ref. on the proposed deal. The EU will almost certainly accede and I suspect it will be for 6 months, at least.

If it is passed then it will be ratified and we shall all move on to the next stage of negotiation, a process to be conducted through myriad committe meetings developing new protocols to be formalised in a legal framework overseen ultimately by the ECJ. In my experience this will take about five years, maybe longer - a great, happy hunting time for civil servants and I'm quite envious of them.

Ah well.

But there remains the DUP........

Clinging to your absurd little straws, aren't you.

It's going to happen one way or the other, just get ready for it.

The pounds up already this week, you should be able to afford large Changs instead of small ones FFS, go and have a drink.

Brexit is on!!!!

It's just the start of things to come. ..

The more absurd facet of the Brexiteer's doctrinal obsessions is their daft belief that the EU is somehow responsible for: Britain's inherent capacity for entering fiscal doldrums, its chronic lack of productivity, its lower end's dependence on welfare and its reckless addiction to debt. These saps truly believe that their miserably insignificant lives will be altered for the better when they quit the union.

The world is in the throes of a turbulent realignment of trading blocs jousting for balance within a global economic environment increasingly poisoned by unsustainable debt levels in the casino of stock markets gambling with absurdly inflated chips. Britain has relegated itself to the sidelines of economic activity over Brexit which has so far cost the economy over £60 billions already, losses that have been gauged to exceed £130 billions more over the next decade but in reality the contraction is likely to be worse.

There will be no benefit to Brexit, their will be no new dawn when it quits, the clouds will not part, there are no pots of gold to be found. Instead, the clock will have been turned back, you will need a fucking work permit to work in your former continental home, you will be restricted in how long you can stay as a visitor with no more than 3 months in any 6 month period, you will be taxed on goods you bring back with you from those visits, you will have to depend on more Asian coolies to do your dirty work, getting anything done will again be expensive because you have restricted competition, your food will be sourced from the dregs of the international markets dumping stocks of inferior produce, trading costs will go through the roof because you have added thousands of miles to your supply and delivery chains, labour laws and working conditions will deteriorate as corporate carpetbaggers seek to reduce costs in order to maximise profits they will dump in tax havens and public services will all be monetised more than they are now as privatisation spreads further into the body politic.

But when all this becomes apparent to the stupid masses and they no longer can source cheap debt, the conflict between them and the wealth owners will re-emerge and in the end the old 1970s cycle of inflation and contraction will be the norm. Over 15 million Brits are welfare dependent to some degree or other, and 20 million have little or no savings but live hand-to-mouth and on credit card debt. The auspices in this brave new world of dog-eat-dog are grim indeed but one can always rely on the stupidity of the English to not see the car accident that is their fate.

Still, silver linings will remain, Ireland will unify and Scotland will gain independence.

So, some of us will be celebrating. I for one will take my pleasure more simply and shall cherish the moment when the English lower end discover they can no longer fuck off to Spain and do as they please but have the same rights as a Hottentot.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I for one will take my pleasure more simply

Lao Khao on the balcony?

What is the schedule for Saturday?

The Commons convenes at 9.30am with a statement from Boris Johnson on the Brexit deal he has negotiated with the EU, followed by questions.


The motion on the deal follows afterwards, to be opened by another minister. It is only when this debate begins that we will know which amendments have been selected for a vote by the Speaker, John Bercow.
The number of amendments will affect the length of the process, so the key vote could come any time from mid-afternoon to early evening. If the government loses the vote, the prime minister could then seek a vote on leaving without a deal, which is the only other way to avoid the so-called Benn Act – the backbench-created law that would compel Johnson to seek a Brexit extension if his deal is not passed or no deal is not approved.
Will there be amendments?

Some have already been tabled, for example one to extend the Brexit deadline. Another amendment has been tabled to secure a second referendum, but this would be attached to the no-deal motion, so seems unlikely to go to a vote.
Will there definitely be an all-or-nothing vote?

The big decision could actually be delayed again. A potentially key amendment tabled by Oliver Letwin, Hilary Benn and others would withhold full approval for the Brexit deal until all the associated legislation was passed.
This would seem likely to require another extension, and would delay the real moment of truth for MPs. One reason for this amendment would be to prevent the possibility of hardline Brexit Conservatives approving the deal – thus removing the conditions of the Benn Act – but then voting down the subsequent withdrawal agreement bill, which implements the legally binding treaty, and so forcing no deal anyway.
Labour is understood to be likely to back this amendment, and former Tory MPs including Amber Rudd and David Gauke have said they would vote for it.
Will MPs know the full implications of the deal?

Not really. The deal was cobbled together and agreed with the EU in a huge rush, and MPs will have only a few hours of debate in the Commons before making a hugely important decision. Downing Street has said MPs will not see official economic impact assessments of the plan in advance, despite some requesting this.
What happens if the plan passes?

If it passes unamended, this would still be the first stage of the process, and even with Downing Street promising that MPs would work around the clock as needed, there is no guarantee everything will be done by 31 October. No 10 would hope to present the bill to the Commons as early as Monday. If the deal motion is amended, for example by the Letwin-Benn plan, a delay to departure is more likely.
Do we get no deal if the plan is rejected?

Most likely not, even though Johnson seems set to frame the vote in these terms, and the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, briefly startled remain-minded MPs by telling reporters he did not think another Brexit extension would be granted. EU sources have said that if Johnson’s deal is rejected, meaning the Benn Act would come into force, they would not reject a UK request for another extension.

Which MPs are key to whether it passes?

With the DUP definitely against the deal, and a number of the former Tory MPs who lost the whip last month seemingly onboard, two groups will be vital. First are the so-called “Spartans”, the most hardline of Tory Brexiters. Some of these have already said they would back the bill, and others could follow – but with the DUP opposed, this is still a finely balanced decision.
The other group set to be endlessly pestered by Johnson’s team are Labour MPs from leave-voting areas who support a deal, such as Caroline Flint, Stephen Kinnock and others. They face intense Labour pressure to vote against it, but could still potentially be persuaded the vote the other way. These MPs might be more likely to back the deal if it was amended via the Letwin-Benn plan.
So will it pass – and if so, is it all over?

On the first point – no one knows. The final tally could come within a couple of votes. It is worth remembering that Theresa May’s defeats on her Brexit deal ended up being heavier than expected. However, some momentum seem to be with Johnson. As to the second question: no, not at all. Even if the deal is passed, this is but the first step in a long parliamentary process, which would in turn shape an evolving and still very controversial departure process over many years. Prepare for much, much more of this.
MPs to watch

Steve Baker: the Tory hard Brexiters’ club, the European Research Group, meets first thing on Saturday. Whichever way Baker, its chair, chooses to vote, will be a key indicator for the choice of the other Spartans.

Philip Hammond: on the other side of the Tory divide, the former chancellor is prominent among the sizeable group of rebel MPs who lost the whip last month, who could go either way.
Caroline Flint: co-leader of the “MPs for a deal” grouping, Flint is a leading member of the Labour contingent who believe the UK should leave sooner rather than later. If she backs Johnson’s deal she could take others with her.
Norman Lamb: while the rest of the Liberal Democrats are firmly against the deal, Lamb – who will step down at the next election – has long been much more Brexit-minded than his colleagues. He is believed to still be deciding, and while it will only be one vote, this could be crucial.

Pundits to follow

Catherine Haddon: fellow at the Institute for Government and self-described “constitutional agony aunt”.
Anand Menon: politics academic-turned head of the UK in a Changing Europe thinktank.
Steve Peers: Essex University EU law professor and outlet for well-informed, remain-minded analysis.
Ruth Fox: as head of the Hansard Society, the independent authority on parliamentary matters, she is a good bet for procedural conundrums.
Catchphrase bingo

A drink is not compulsory each time you hear these, but it might not be a bad idea:


• “Customs border in the Irish Sea”
• “Get Brexit done”
• “The will of the people”
• “17.4 million people”
• “No more dither and delay”
• “A reckless Tory Brexit”
• “No-deal cliff edge”
• “Chlorinated chicken”
• “No one voted to be poorer”
• “Race to the bottom”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/18/brexit-super-saturday-will-the-deal-pass

Steve Peers: Essex University EU law professor and outlet for well-informed, remain-minded analysis.

If only he had a counterpart.

After the events of the last week, if Sinn Fein turned up at HoP to take their seats and support Boris deal it would cap things off nicely

A drink is not compulsory each time you hear these, but it might not be a bad idea:


• “Customs border in the Irish Sea”
• “Get Brexit done”
• “The will of the people”
• “17.4 million people”
• “No more dither and delay”
• “A reckless Tory Brexit”
• “No-deal cliff edge”
• “Chlorinated chicken”
• “No one voted to be poorer”
• “Race to the bottom”

They forgot "too close to call".

A group of lawmakers in the main opposition Labour Party have put forward an amendment calling for approval of any deal to be put to a second referendum

They don't get this "democracy" thing, these lefties, do they?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

They don't get this "democracy" thing, these lefties, do they?

"Democracy" is an irregular adjective.

I am a Democrat
YOU don't know what you are voting for.
HE is an idiot whose vote should be ignored.

Originally Posted by Warwick

"Democracy" is an irregular adjective.

Failed CSE English did we?

This is what a binary choice looks like.

Noel Edmonds should be compering it.

Britain will leave the EU on October 31, even if the Brexit agreement is rejected by the deputies, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said, quoted by BTA.


"We will leave the EU on October 31," Johnson said ahead of tomorrow's vote on the agreement in the British Parliament.

https://www.novinite.com/articles/20...nt+Is+Rejected

Originally Posted by Warwick

"Democracy" is an irregular adjective.

Oh dear.

No deal it is then.....

Going to need those extra 20,000 coppers sooner than planned.

^ to get Bo Jo to send the letter of extension?

He's got until 11pm.

Citizens of the UK were lied to. The same man tried to dupe parliament and very nearly managed it.

There's still more to come....

Let the game begin, The people have been let down, trouble at mill.
You expats have no real handle.

Boris can send the letter, doesn't mean they will reply before the deadline.

November the 5th is a coming....

^ EU will give an extension when asked. They do not want to be seen as a driving factor.

Boris can still get his deal through if he hurries it along and requests the extension.

If he fails to send the letter it'll be in court on Monday.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ to get Bo Jo to send the letter of extension?

He's got until 11pm.

Citizens of the UK were lied to. The same man tried to dupe parliament and very nearly managed it.

There's still more to come....

Wrong again German lover.

Voted to leave, whatever.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

November the 5th is a coming....

Finally you got a prediction right.

The SNP getting the respect they deserve... All they do is constantly try to obstruct the parliament, they clearly don't have anything to offer than obstruction, so maybe it is time they left and worked in a parliament where they can focus themselves on positively benefitting the house for the sake of the electorate.

Very amusing to dwell on the aftermath. The utter puerility of a PM sending a draft, photocopied and unsigned letter in a pique of sulky, truculent petulance was the highlight for me. Well, I suppose that's what you get when you appoint a corrupt, sex addicted narcissistic sociopath.

Brexiters are such a classy bunch, eh?