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    Well observed, lom.

    The WA was always a temporary platform to provide stability until full negotiations on the architecture of the new UK/EU relationship could be concluded, a complex process of re-forming 45 years of joint protocols, conventions and common legislation expected to last a decade.

    The EU in fact conceded a lot in order to facilitate the UK's ratification which would have been assured if the ERG had not deliberately sabotaged it so that they could promote their own narrow agenda. The ERG effected this by cynically using the DUP and NI as their fulcrum in levering out May and in truth have as much interest in NI as a dog has in a week old turd.

    The thing is, Cummings misjudged the strength of decency still inherent in the British political system and came a cropper in pushing the ERG's agenda.

    Now, we are effectively back to late December 2018 about to ratify May's WA save for the not entirely insignificant fact that NI will now remain in the EU's SM and CU but with the freedom to partake in all the new British FTAs with Papua New Guinea, Burundi, the Faroes and the planet Zog.
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    I doubt she's an expert on anything apart from being ugly...

    (It's on the BBC website in case you wanna read it in full.)
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    the Brexit loons say it's a bad deal because it has a lot of obligations in return for favors and them being old British schools, they don't like 'fair' deals when they don't get 90% of the profits

    50/50 is not enough for them, and they no longer get to vote and throw shit in the EU Commissions like they have been doing for 40 years, so that's another issue for them

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    It is the May Agreement minus one of her red lines.

    Is it really better than staying in? Who cares any longer?

    Why is my new passport red?

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    Essentially, nothing has changed since the vote, Brexit was, is and shall remain a construct of the deluded, the deranged, the stupid, the ignorant, the prejudiced and the tax evading, carpetbagging right wing shill.

    That 280,000 medieval DUP retards in the plantation English occupied province of northern Ireland might now have to face the inevitability of unification with Ireland and continuing membership of the EU is not a factor of any note - when they realise there's more money in it they'll come round. But in the end the protestants have no appetite for a fight which they would lose anyway so fuck 'em.

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    This fella often gives good analysis:



    Basically, he's suggesting that the EU (Merkel/Germany) has forced Boris into accepting the Starmer deal - new referendum with two option: remain or remain. ??? We will see.

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    Merkel has everyone by the balls, including Boris

    when do you guys are going to start to get it?

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    ^^ yeah nice analysis, nice find Betty

    so sadly, REMAIN is going to be the only feasible option in the next REF

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    s.a.
    Still, it has been worth it just to read Tax's reference to BoJo's " statecraft" - a cock happy sexual addict who shagged himself senseless with an American slapper to whom he bunged £120,000 of taxpayer's dosh and then invited on official business at public expense for more sexual gratification, and then sponsors her visa application to remain in London is a statesman?
    boris, by his own admission is "full of spunk", he is a politician, an ego driven high flyer, a master of the universe.

    they all behave like that, kennedy, clinton, churchill, major. its what politicians do. droit du seigneur. men at the top of their game, women are drawn to them like moths to a flame. so he banged an american slapper who was up for it and has large breasts, big deal.... and the bung has yet to be proven.

    as far as brexit goes. just the hint of a rumour of a deal sent the pound shooting up and the stockmarkets too.

    investors are champing at the bit to get into the uk, the eu can sense this and will do everything to stop brexit and protect their own stultifying union.

    they, like the miserable cxnts in the labour party will block anything that gives the uk a chance to shine.

    thats why we need to leave.

    as barnier said after the referendum result and before negotiations began, "the british have shot themselves in the foot, and now we are going to shoot them in the other foot" that says everything you need to know about the way the eu works.

    what are you afraid of s.a.? change. have you no faith in the brits. we have always been strongest when our backs are against the wall and have a point to prove. the eu is beginning to crumble, recession looms, their political system is nearing the end of days. brexit gives the uk a chance to reboot and thrive.

    if the jocks want to separate, let them. they bring nothing to the party. never have and never will. whiskey and salmon, big deal. fuck them.

    likewise the irish. let them unite. they will tear each others throats out in their moronic stubborness and religious fervour. fuck them too.

    so lets have a deal, and start to negotiate the future relationship where we can further distance ourselves from the undemocratic german dominated eu.

    no deal? fine, we'll take the hit and regroup. in 5 years we will be laughing and wondering why we didnt do it 20 years ago. in 10 years the eu will be riven by dispute, blame, anger and recession and we will be better off out of it.

    s.a. you read it here first. you can thank me later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tax
    no deal? fine, we'll take the hit and regroup.
    you think? more like take the hit and sink

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    ^^ The EU will change to suit the majority of its citizens. It takes time to learn from mistakes but as long as they are being addressed it'll improve. The UK can operate outside, as it did in the past, but the same problems it found then will resurface.

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    The EU will change to suit the majority of its citizens.
    the eu will change to placate the german industrial lobbyists

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    ^ Germany is in deep pooh due to its labour laws, which are not in line with EU directives.

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    In its monthly package of infringement decisions, the European Commission pursues legal action against Member States for failing to comply with their obligations under EU law. These decisions, covering various sectors and EU policy areas, aim to ensure the proper application of EU law for the benefit of citizens and businesses.

    The key decisions taken by the Commission are presented below and grouped by policy area. The Commission is also closing 120 cases in which the issues with the Member States concerned have been addressed without the Commission needing to pursue the procedure further.

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...en/inf_19_5950



    just quickly looking through this should show just how much legislation, much of it impossible to comply with, let alone for businesses to implement, has been introduced by the bureaucratic obsessives who rule the lives of those looking to trade.

    and that list is just for the first 10 days of this month.

    read it and weep.

    its madness.

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    So, there we have it, a northern Brexiteer's view of the socio-economic-political association of which he has been a member for 45 years.

    An unnecessary burden of bureaucratic impediment thrust needlessly on the shoulders of good, decent hardworking Brits.

    To comply with laws is really no more than irritating hindrance one should ignore, yes?

    So, Tax gets delayed at Berlin where he is meant to embark on a German company's aircraft for Tykekeland, Kraut Airways. He's delayed for ten hours and then off-loaded. He claims compensation under the pan-EU wide legislation but the Kraut rep tells him to fuck off because he hates Englanders.

    What is Tax going to do? Contact the compliance directorate of the EU and submit a claim or take it up his arse and whine later like some creepy English twat and whinge because he is a bureaucratic noobie too dumb to fight his corner?

    Tax applies to the French Embassy for an EU family permit for his Thai wife to join him on a holiday there which is free and cannot be refused because that would prevent him from exercising his right to free movement. The French Immigration officer tells him he can't and she must pay for a visit visa - he admits he hates English and his wife is a coon. What is Tax to do? Take it up the arse because that is the right way to deal with bureaucracy or will he get off his knees and submit a claim to the EU compliance directorate?

    Stupid is as stupid deos Tax, eh?

    Laws are just inconvenience and rules are a bore eh?

    You really are becoming quite stupid, eh?
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    So, Tax gets delayed at Berlin where he is meant to embark on a German company's aircraft for Tykekeland, Kraut Airways. He's delayed for ten hours and then off-loaded. He claims compensation under the pan-EU wide legislation but the Kraut rep tells him to fuck off because he hates Englanders.

    What is Tax going to do? Contact the compliance directorate of the EU and submit a claim or take it up his arse and whine later like some creepy English twat and whinge because he is a bureaucratic noobie too dumb to fight his corner?

    Tax applies to the French Embassy for an EU family permit for his Thai wife to join him on a holiday there which is free and cannot be refused because that would prevent him from exercising his right to free movement. The French Immigration officer tells him he can't and she must pay for a visit visa - he admits he hates English and his wife is a coon. What is Tax to do? Take it up the arse because that is the right way to deal with bureaucracy or will he get off his knees and submit a claim to the EU compliance directorate?
    are you drunk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    ^^ yeah nice analysis, nice find Betty

    so sadly, REMAIN is going to be the only feasible option in the next REF
    Not remain but a more democratic remain or remain.

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    No Tax, are you?

    If laws are not applied equally in favour of common interest then thy are not laws. You silly Brexit pricks think English laws should only be fit for white English folk who don't like coons or paying taxes.

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    regarding business and trade, there's too many laws and too much enforcement. they erect barriers that stifle ambition and enthusiasm and mostly serve the interests of the enforcers.

    the big players will always find loopholes that enable them to evade their responsibilities whilst consumers and the small businesses pay the price.

    rules rules rules, laws laws laws. it never fucking ends. with all the tech available these days life should be much simpler for the average joe.

    but its not. it gets more and more frustrating. more and more complicated. more and more hoops to jump through, thanks to the spread of liberalism which empowers the dishonest and punishes the good.

    those who take advantage of the freedoms we have should be punished. we know who they are. stiffen the penalties, chop their fucking fingers off. empty their bank accounts. they will soon stop. but to hogtie millions of people with never ending rafts of legislation overseen by thousands of overpaid venal "computer says no" jobsworths just infuriates the masses. the eu, the government, the rule makers just complicate life. when all we crave is straightforward simplicity.

    it doesnt have to be like this. it instils anger and resentment into normally rational folk.

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    Don't b silly, rules define us and our societies. Your so-called bastion of freedom and centre of liberty, the US, demands total compliance and subservience - no-one tells Sam to fuck himself and gets out alive without a fine of millions and 900 years in the clink.
    The EU is regulated but freed by those chains that protect our liberty to enjoy it - a dichotomy only the crude and dull fail to comprehend.
    Tax, , only the stupid rate Brexit, surely you do not want to be associated with them?

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    meanwhile, you still live in thailand even as the hoops you are made to jump through every year get more and more onerous, more and more stupid and more and more meaningless and the "computer says no" enforcers become even more officious, obtrusive, opinionated and venal.

    in your crazy and offensive rants you dont seem to understand how you too are slowly being hammered into compliance by an increasingly authoritarian, illigical and irrational administration. its just the eu all over again but with slanty eyes and garlic breath.

    and you call brexiteers stupid.

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    Intellctually, you seem to have lost all claim to any reason and clearly have subsided into the Brexit malaise born out of stupidity, ignorance and doctrinal Micawberism.

    The EU is nothing other than a mutually beneficial association that has created the largest, wealthiest and most stable trading bloc in the developed world enjoying a rule of law that is the envy of that world. It is not a fucking golden pasture amid sun-dappled hills promising prancing unicorns cavorting under pixie-dusted skies meant to make fat, stupid, ugly English oiks richer.

    Leaving is not a problem, you simply go and take your chances in a world that is increasingly polarised and in which trade is protected evermore along the lines of posturing jingoism and cheap nationalism. But in doing so you will be disadvantaging a fellow member state and until that is remedied you will not gain any legacy advantages from the EU which by its very constitution could not let you, as a third country,benefit commercially from a trade that other member states subsidise through their membership fees and adherence to the four freedoms that you are forsaking.

    There is no State on the planet moving forwards on its path to increasing civilisation and wealth acquisition that does not legislate more societal constraints imposing a greater control that provides what it believes to be better protection for its citizens. Thailand is no different, it's just more stupid in its application. In truth the UK immigration regime is the most expensive and draconian in the western developed world ( except of course for EU citizens but they are to be treated the same as coons so that'll make you feel better, eh)

    In contriving Brexit, the right wing Tory militant wing wishes to create an environment where power is re-concentrated into the hands of vested interests ( the hidebound money-grubbing tuskers that wallow in their congenital privilege and protected trust-funded inheritances, and their slithering sycophants arse licking for crumbs off the top table )that will derive greater wealth by the unregulated exploitation of resources yielding more profits through lower costs. This will obviously be at the expense of the majority whose access to services and markets, including health, housing and education, will be increasingly monetised ignoring the precepts of post-war welfarism.

    But that really pales into insignificance when one considers the reality of a hard Brexit which despite the stupid blandishments of the demagogic Kipper nutters will lead to a continuing contraction of the economy - the idiocy that the EU has hitherto prevented wealth creation and held back Britain from re-gaining its eminence in ruling the waves of global mercantilism is just so fucking imbecilic only a fatheaded moron would believe it. The world has always been free to invest in Europe and the EU member states have been free to expand commerce where they wish - Ireland's chief trading partner is the US for fuck's sake and all this bollox of the Commonwealth replacing the EU is really just so risible; Germany exports more to Nigeria than the UK for Chrissakes.

    Tax, get your head out of your ass, there is no fucking golden age dawning, its just bollox, always was and it shall remain so.

    Fucking up what we had with 500 million of our cultural kith and kin on our fucking doorstep will haunt the Tory party for years to come but be in no doubt what is happening is utterly shameful and an entire generation will be looking for recompense when they realise their access to a Europe only 22 miles distant will be the same as some fucking hottentot from Africa.
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    It would be really funny if, at the next General Election, one party campaigned on rejoining the EU and won.

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    The guy is right on what he says, but the chamber is always empty, nobody listening...


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    legislate more societal constraints imposing a greater control that provides what it believes to be better protection for its citizens.
    nonsense.

    they dont give a fuck about protecting their citizens. the meps attempt to justify their high salaries, incredible pensions and seats on the gravy train by busying themselves dreaming up new ways of exerting control over their subjects. they wallow and rejoice in the ever more complicated bureaucracy they dream up and impose on us.

    it is all the eu cares about. seizing more and more control over their citizens.

    they tie their citizens and their member states up in such knots that when one country decides enough is enough and democratically votes to leave, they find that they have been slowly, imperceptibly over time cemented into a system so complicated, so tight, so devious and so all encompassing that extrication is all but impossible.

    if brexit actually happens, and at the moment it is very doubtful if it will, then only time will tell if your predictions of penury and pestilence will come true, or if indeed the uk will be freed from its shackles and soon be thriving as a successful independent trading nation.

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