Brexit - It's Still On!

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Originally Posted by cyrille

Yeah, it hasn't quite got the history of your anthem, eh?

Have you chopped any more bits out lately?

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Well, you are going to have to chop out some bits "AGAIN" pretty soon :rolleyes:
Yeah, history can be quite bloody sometimes that's true. But we realy don't need the Brits to explain that to us....:tieme:

In the mean time:

Confound their politics,Frustrate their knavish tricks,On Thee our hopes we fix,

or

May she defend our laws,And ever give us cause




Is this the reason why the Brits are so tired of the EU? Being "Subjects" and having to bow to who knows who and what?
Think about it ...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Confound their politics,Frustrate their knavish tricks,On Thee our hopes we fix,

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Hmm...not quite the same as lines associated with the genocide of 8 million + people within living memory, is it?

Think about it.

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Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I don't think it's the best deal for the UK, but it is a compromise and a very good deal for the EU, and the best Ireland could have hoped for - the Irish leader is an utter fukwit, well over-playing his hand which he can ill-afford to do because Ireland are potentially the biggest losers in all this. The EU will soon wave them goodbye when things head south, south of the border...

Complaints from the EU/Ireland about Boris' deal just show that they think they can block Brexit and get revoke, or worst ways come back to Boris's deal later. I hope, if the EU don't accept it then it's permanently withdrawn, and Boris makes this clear over the next week or so.

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Is that all you can come up with ? Blaming the Irish ?

Very british indeed !

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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Blaming

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It's transparently obvious that this is what bj has been geared up for ever since he got in.

He only made his obviously unacceptable proposal on Ireland so that its inevitable refusal by the EU will enable him to try and deflect blame.

Just like BREXIters over the last four years. No practical idea of how things would work, and until recently not even a conception of the difficulties ('Switzerland has borders with the EU without problems' - buriramboy).

The only thing that has changed is that they now have a clearer idea of the scale of the clusterfcuk for which they're evading responsibility.


betty's 'arguments' have always displayed all the acuity of a garden slug, and even he has managed to sink lower now... to RT videos with George Galloway.

Not even May thinks this ridiculous re-heated ERG abortion of a deal is anything but a fantasy prospect to be swallowed by the stupid, the credulous, the ignorant, the addled and Battyboob.

It's just another ploy to detach Britain from its past and drag it into an ersatz Trumpian never-never-land future where the corporate carpetbaggers, their hedge fund midwives and shill politicians can reap tax-free rewards off the backs of a lumpen drone population suckled on the soma of debt driven consumerism as they drift further and further into exploitation and capitalist slavery.

Ireland are not the biggest losers in this, their GDP expansion and trade development is broad based although UK sourced business will be hit by a loss of around 2 - 6 billion euros, but the EU have agreed to underwrite some of these losses and it is likely the Irish will be contributing less to the overall EU budget. However, a hard Brexit on default WTO terms in the current uncertain global trade cycle will mean a loss of around £60 billions annually for the UK in the next five to ten years. The political ramifications will be seismic and as NI folk observe an increasingly wealthier Ireland while they scratch along in pauperism and the Scottish economy is similarly crippled then the disintegration of the union will become that much more a certain reality.

Brexit is a killer but the silver lining is that Ireland will be united and Scotland freed from its Sassenach chains.

In some ways I am inclined towards a hard Brexit and the breakdown of the GFA leading to the resumption of the Irish war for independence in which BoJo, Mogg, Patel and the rest of the ERG scum will become legitimate targets.

Reading that those loathsome creatures have been eviscerated will be quite satisfying, I'm sure.

calm down Seeking, Brexit will never happen now.

meanwhile, Boris latest scam didn't find any buyers :rofl:

Brexit: UK may 'clarify' new offer after EU urged 'fundamental changes'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49936218

The UK has indicated it could "clarify" its new Brexit offer after the EU called for "fundamental changes".

Talks will resume on Monday after the EU said the UK's proposed alternative to the Irish backstop could not be the "basis" for a legally-binding treaty.

The UK has said it would work on the details before then but there was "no path" to a deal without alternative arrangements in Northern Ireland.

Boris Johnson has insisted the only options are a "new deal or no deal".

Earlier on Friday, he posted a message on social media saying there would be "no delay" to the UK's exit beyond the 31 October deadline.

This was despite the government stating, in papers submitted to a Scottish court, that the PM would comply with legislation passed by Parliament, known as the Benn Act.

This requires him to send a letter to the EU asking for a further three-month Brexit extension if no deal is agreed by 19 October - a day after a crucial summit of European leaders.

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Brexit will never happen now.

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly

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What part of scheming, self-interested liar in the thrall of a lunatic do you not understand?

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Originally Posted by cyrille

What part of scheming, self-interested liar in the thrall of a lunatic do you not understand?

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the part you keep missing about them bluffing since day 1, they are going to extend despite claiming otherwise

We have all heard that the Benn Act will ensure that No Deal is taken off the table and that unless Parliament agrees to a deal that under this Act, the Prime Minister by law must ask for an extension to Article 50. Yet whenever the Prime Minister or members of the Government are asked if the Prime Minister will comply with this requirement and ask for an extension, they reply with a wry smile that the Prime Minister will comply with the law.
So what’s going on?
How can he not ask the EU for an extension if that’s what the law of the land under the Benn Act says must happen?
To be honest it’s quite simple. Article 50 says that we will leave the EU at the end of negotiation period either with a negotiated withdrawal agreement or without.
The Benn act however, seeks to remove the ‘without’ from the table, which then makes it in contravention and at odds with what Article 50 and EU law states. A principle established after the metric martyr case affirms that where there are differences between EU law and UK law, that EU law is superior and UK law must either be amended or set aside.
The speaker of the House John Bercow confirmed the same when recently asked by Labour MP Kate Hoey following the previous extension, where he replied that EU law takes precedence. A point restated once again only last week by Jacob Rees-Mogg when the same question was posed and he replied,
“that as long as the Communities Act is in force, EU law takes precedence.”
Therefore the Benn Act is incompatible with EU law as it contravenes the Lisbon Treaty and as such No Deal is still on the table. Unless of course they can force Treaty Change, which they cant. It becomes irrelevant what Parliament intended by the Benn Act, EU law overules it as it did when exit date was automatically changed and updated within the Withdrawal Act after Mrs May agreed to a 6 month extension under Article 50. The UK Act of Parliament was updated with the revised exit date immediately. That was despite Parliament having enshrined exit date in UK law. Our law was at odds with International law when the extension was agreed and therefore it had to be changed to reflect the new reality.
The Benn Act will suffer the same fate as the section contained within which negates the Prime Minister from having to apply for an extension is Section 2 of the Benn Act, which states that no letter need be sent requesting an extension if,
“this House approves the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union under Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union on exit day, without a withdrawal agreement as defined in section 20(1) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.”
If that condition is met, ie if Parliament agrees to leaving with no deal then the Prime Minister doesnt have to send the letter detailed in Section 4 of the Act.
Now by the sheer fact that we signed up to the Lisbon Treaty, we agreed to Article 50. By enacting Article 50 Parliament accepted the terms of Article 50.
Article 50 states we will leave without a deal if no deal has been agreed.
THAT is an acceptance already by Parliament under EU law that it has accepted that we will be leaving with No Deal if an agreement hasnt been met. It cannot then say that under UK law a letter will need to be sent if a No Deal departure isn’t agreed by the House. As under Article 50 theyve already agreed to such an outcome.
What they are suggesting by the Benn Act, is that they have signed up to an EU Treaty but then parts of that Treaty will only be allowed if Parliament rules that they can be. Thats plainly wrong.
For instance, Freedom of Movement will happen irrelevant if Parliament passes an Act saying it is in favour or against allowing such a thing. The UK Parliament cannot pass a law that contravenes or contradicts EU law on say Freedom of Movement as we’ve already agreed to such a thing by virtue of being signatories to the enabling Treaty.
As such, Parliament has already agreed to No Deal as a consequence of signing the Lisbon Treaty and enacting Article 50. If they want to stop that, then they have to revoke Article 50 or rewrite Article 50 which will need Treaty Change.
The Benn Legislation states no letter need be sent if Parliament has agreed to a No Deal Departure yet its agreement to such an eventuality has already been agreed under EU law and so therefore no letter need be sent.
As Boris has said throughout, we will comply with the law and they will. The irony is indeed sweet and delicious that the law they comply with will be EU law which then exposes quite dramatically how the Sovereignty of Parliament has been undermined by our membership of the EU, despite the denials of the Remainers within.
It is an ending that will see the curtain drawn on our membership of this Political Union which is almost worthy of Shakespeare himself. Such sweet, delicious irony indeed.:UK:

Phony Bliar selling the EU...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zupuJ...3tdGNbcSPV8jUs

^ I think you're right.

But there's the consistent issue that the EU makes it up as it goes along, abides by it's laws or not according to the politics of the situation. With the politicisation of the UK supreme court (set up by Blair...) now clear, who would rule on this? The top UK legal decision, I use the term loosely, seems to be the UK supreme court (a ridiculous system with our constitution...). But, if an EU court decides then how politicised are they?

We know that the HoP, the speaker, the HoL, the UK supreme court and elements of the EU Brexit team work together against Brexit - but, what about the EU legal system? I suspect that it's as corrupt as the UK/EU political system and the supreme court in the UK (who has no right to make a ruling on an unwritten constitution; there's simple no rule or law to base the ruling on...).

Anyways, it only ends one way: Brexit.

Why the remoaners keep ramping it up for them to get an even harder fall is beyond sanity.

^^ Read A50 para 3...

The Benn Act says unless either an agreement or a no-deal has been approved by Parliament before 18 October.

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Originally Posted by Troy

The Benn Act says

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It would seem that The Benn Act is irrelevant. EU law takes precedence.

Article 50 (1) states " Any Member State may withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements."

Brexshitters of course are too bone-achingly dull brained to comprehend that.

Stupidest group of people to have ever entered a ballot booth.

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Originally Posted by Switch

It would seem that The Benn Act is irrelevant. EU law takes precedence.

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A50 Para 3 for you....

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3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force ofthe withdrawal agreement or, failing that,two years after the notification referred to inparagraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned,unanimouslydecides to extend this period.

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anyway, since both sides must agree on no deal, the EU27 will never accept and never vote for NO DEAL with the UK

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly

anyway, since both sides must agree on no deal, the EU27 will never accept and never vote for NO DEAL with the UK

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Not true. The default is leave without a deal unless one is agreed. There is an offer which the EU can choose to either accept or reject. The only definitive is the 31st October leaving, with or without a deal. If, as currently appears likely, there is no agreement for a deal, the UK leaves. The real irony in all of this, at least for me, is that in relation to the NI/Ireland border situation, a solution has been proposed by the UK which appears to be rejected by Ireland, but then the default of a no deal situation will force Ireland to impose, through the EU requirement, a hard border with NI, far worse than that proposed by the UK Government. I suspect an element of brinksmanship here, and who is going to blink first. My money is on the beefer Varadkar.

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Originally Posted by PAG

The only definitive is the 31st October leaving, with or without a deal. If, as currently appears likely, there is no agreement for a deal, the UK leaves.

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Is that right?

Definitive, eh?


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Originally Posted by PAG

Not true. The default is leave without a deal unless one is agreed. There is an offer which the EU can choose to either accept or reject. The only definitive is the 31st October leaving, with or without a deal. If, as currently appears likely, there is no agreement for a deal, the UK leaves. The real irony in all of this, at least for me, is that in relation to the NI/Ireland border situation, a solution has been proposed by the UK which appears to be rejected by Ireland, but then the default of a no deal situation will force Ireland to impose, through the EU requirement, a hard border with NI, far worse than that proposed by the UK Government. I suspect an element of brinksmanship here, and who is going to blink first. My money is on the beefer Varadkar.

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I agree, the Irish are just bluffing - this is a very good deal for them, maybe the EU won't like it, and it's not ideal for Britain either, but it is very good for Ireland. If we leave with no deal and the EU put up barriers then Ireland will be worst hit by far...

You gormless English shines are so fucking stupid you can't comprehend that NI will either be reunited with Ireland after Brexit or in fucking flames.

You can kiss goodbye to your EU FTAs and US cocksucking deals.

Brexit is Ebola and BoJo is going to be the vector for contamination.

Eat it up mofos.

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Originally Posted by PAG

Not true. The default is leave without a deal unless one is agreed. There is an offer which the EU can choose to either accept or reject. The only definitive is the 31st October leaving, with or without a deal. If, as currently appears likely, there is no agreement for a deal, the UK leaves. The real irony in all of this, at least for me, is that in relation to the NI/Ireland border situation, a solution has been proposed by the UK which appears to be rejected by Ireland, but then the default of a no deal situation will force Ireland to impose, through the EU requirement, a hard border with NI, far worse than that proposed by the UK Government. I suspect an element of brinksmanship here, and who is going to blink first. My money is on the beefer Varadkar.

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on what planet do you live? did buriram hacked your account? :)

No need to worry North Macedonia and Albania the latest touted members will no doubt fill the 20% funding vacuum left by the Brits. At least the massive unemployment rates in Albania (12%) and Nth Macedonia (22%) will fall drastically as they flood the richer western EU countries with cheap employment and the Albanian Mafia.

The unfounded rumours of Turks joining the EU and 'flooding' richer western countries fooled a lot of thick BREXITers prior to the referendum.

Fitting to see a thick Aussie paying tribute.

things are starting to move this week, should get interesting :)

Macron: EU Brexit deal decision 'at end of the week'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49953914

The EU will decide at the end of the week whether a Brexit deal is going to be possible, French President Emmanuel Macron has told Boris Johnson.

President Macron said talks should now proceed swiftly to see if an agreement can "respect" EU principles.

Mr Johnson said the EU should not be "lured" into thinking there will be a delay to Brexit beyond 31 October.

However, a law requires him to request one if a deal is not agreed by 19 October.

As part of a weekend talking to EU leaders, the prime minister told President Macron over the phone he believes a deal can be achieved, but that the EU must match compromises made by the UK.

A French government official said President Macron told Mr Johnson "that the negotiations should continue swiftly with Michel Barnier's team in coming days, in order to evaluate at the end of the week whether a deal is possible that respects European Union principles".

The comments come ahead of a key few days of negotiations as both parties try to find a new agreement in time for a summit of European leaders on 17 and 18 October.

On Monday, Mr Johnson's Europe adviser, David Frost, will hold further discussions with the European Commission, while Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay will visit EU capitals.

Arrangements for preventing a hard border on the island of Ireland continue to be a sticking point, with the EU calling for "fundamental changes" to the UK's latest proposals.

BoJo does not want a deal but he certainly does not want to be held responsible for the aftermath of a hard Brexit that creates a disaster for which he will be held personally accountable. So everything this week will be about manufacturing the fiction that it will be Ireland and the EU that foisted a no-deal exit on the poor oppressed British because they were soooooo unreasonable as to refuse them all the fucking cherries they wanted without paying the price.
The man, his wretched government, their supporters and the stupid Brexshite English are utterly worthless.