Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by buriramboy

You do realise the trade deficit we have with You? You will lose more than us in a trade war, the EU is a protectionist racket stacked against countries outside of the EU trying to sell their goods and services to it. Outside of the customs unions we will be able to lower tariffs to the rest of the world and import shit cheaper. Bad news for French agricultural produce of which we are the biggest market.

This post is quite a good synthesis demonstrating just how fucking dumb the Brexshitter truly is.

The EU is actually committed to free trade and so far has negotiated over 100 FTAs, EPAs and political agreements paving the way to full economic agreements. A case in point demonstrating the osmosis of this process is the Australians whose largest trading partner after Japan and China is the EU and looking at the reverse perspective we see that Ireland's largest single trading partner is in fact the US. So, there we have it, demonstrable evidence that the EU is not a protectionist organisation excluding its markets and members from international trade.

The joint trade the EU has with the UK is 3% of its combined GDP whereas the trade the UK has with the EU equates to 13% of its GDP. So, even a cretin can see that the UK is the loser here in any trade friction. Can Bumbumboy subtract 3 from 13? Your guess is as good as mine.

Barnier on behalf of the EU has yet again told the sclerotic May and her team that financial services are not included in any trade deal. They have told the stupid British this several times but for reasons not particularly apparent the British seem to think the EU are just fucking around as a ploy. It is in fact a red line, no unfettered freedom of movement and equal status for EU citizens under the protection of the ECJ, no fucking passporting of financial services. Brexshitters seem to have trouble with understanding this though but then reality is not a phenomenon with which they are at ease.

Anyway, these services account for around £30 billion annually to the UK economy, a quarter of the entire NHS annual budget. Ouch!

But it's the dribbling imbecility that by lowering tariffs the Brexshitters think they will somehow trade all the more with the "world". The deal done by the EU with, say, the Australians, is in fact so fucking good that we get to import their wine and lamb cheaper than the fucking ockers pay in Melbourne. But the big question is, just from whom are they going to make up fr the lost trade with the EU to cover the losses through leaving the single market? Fucking Vanuatu, Papua New Guinea, Uruguay, the US, India???? A statistic for the monkey fucking Brexshitters, the EU accounts for 20 % of global GDP, fucking wobble headed India a mere fucking, pissy little 1%. But the real kicker is the US, a country that is as free trading as the fucking planet Zog which is ripping up all the trade deals and otherwise of the past twenty years. Fucking special relationship my arse. Those cvunts will fuck you over quicker than you can say Gitmo.

No matter how you cut it, Brexit is a shit sandwich only a retard would swallow but as Bumbumboy so vividly demonstrates, those guys are so fucking dumb they make a fucking gibbon look intellectual.

Britain is fucked.

Brilliant, but the facts remain, you guys can't stay now in the EU

Why does SeekingAss keep referring to the EU as though it is a country when posting his pointless stats despite this being pointed out to him numerous times. Look at the trade with individual members dopey then you will see how important the UK market is to the likes of France and Germany.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

So says he who lives on the zeitgeist of a suburban bothy nestled in a dreary moribund provincial corner of northern British awfulness populated by zombie credit card parasites.

Crikey, that’s where I live, and have to say you have nailed it there.

Have to say though the state of the place isn’t due to the Brexit issue, but the usual tory devastation.

Sooner they get kicked out and Labour get back in the better

Originally Posted by Troy

It was up to those that campaigned for Brexit to formulate an alternative plan, something that they failed to do, which is nothing short of criminal negligence. Their lies during the campaign trail should also be investigated and criminal proceedings taken against those that stated deliberate lies.

I won't be happy until Farage is behind bars, along with Gove and Johnson for being stupid fukcers who lied to the public about Brexit.

From where I sit in the NW of England many folk have said they voted leave on the basis of the NHS extra 350 million quid a day, but wouldn’t do so again as it was a lie.

I think another referendum is entirely appropriate once the exit deal is established, but whatever its result, it is still only advisory, and the MP ‘s will have the final say, as determined by the courts when the Tory right wing tried to hijack control.

As for forage and the kippers they are nought but right wing tories.
They are not the anti-establishment group they pretend to be.
This was clearly recently confirmed over the new leaders girlfriends tweets slagging Megan markle, did the anti-establishment kippers tell the establishment to do one?
No, they doffed their caps in true Tory style , got rid of the leaders girlfriend and want him out.
true blue tories, say no more

The London Evening Standard page has some thoroughly amusing Brexiteers- or tragic if you think these rock bashing simpletons actually get to take part in democracy without reading up on what they're "voting" for .

The Evening Standard edited by George Osborne the main architect of project fear whose predictions have left him totally humiliated just thank fuk he isn't setting public policy anymore. He has made the evening standard a joke with his agenda.

Originally Posted by Neo

cockwomble

EU global partners may seek trade concessions from UK

A number of EU trading partners, including Chile and South Korea, have reportedly raised the possibility of seeking concessions from the UK if they are to continue trading with it during the post-Brexit transition period. While the UK is required to abide by EU rules and customs during the transition, nations outside the bloc have no such restriction and may demand lower tariffs from the UK with no obligation to reciprocate.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-t...ion-roll-over/

https://www.politico.eu/article/mich...e-unavoidable/

Brexit may bring trade barriers to UK, Barnier says
EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier says the UK needs to clarify whether it will leave the single market and customs union. "Without a customs union and outside the single market, barriers to trade in goods and services are unavoidable," Barnier said after meeting with UK officials.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKBN1FP2KQ

FCA urges regulatory pact as Brexit clock ticks

Andrew Bailey, CEO of the UK Financial Conduct Authority, is calling on EU regulators to work with the FCA on a memorandum of understanding to let trading continue and to avert chaos when Britain quits the EU. With about £12 trillion in derivatives contracts and at least 30 million EU and 6 million UK insurance policies potentially affected, Bailey says a memorandum "can be done, and I think there is a growing consensus on both sides that it must be done."

Barnier is the man

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ansition-talks

EU's Barnier to discuss Brexit transition in London

Michel Barnier, chief Brexit negotiator for the EU, is scheduled to meet with UK officials in London on Monday to talk about the terms of a post-Brexit transition period. David Davis, the UK's Brexit secretary, has said he wants a final agreement on the transition in time for the EU summit in March, but EU officials have said it is unlikely a deal can be worked out that soon.

Project fear was perpetuated by Cameron, Osborne and the Bank of England dearest Neo, interest rates and inflation were going to skyrocket, unemployment go through the roof, recession in 2017. All of this predicted straight after the vote and numerous other shit, not for when we actually left. Now I'll give them a few points for the small increase in inflation as make numerous predictions law of averages says you may get one right but yes was project fear.

All the main political parties, the establishment, big business, the politically neutral civil service and even the black Jesus Obama were all supporting remain yet leave still won.

And yes i still hope for a house price crash of substantial proportions as otherwise no hope of Essexboy going home. I'll cheer you up a bit last 2 days knocked £20k off my portfolio.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier says the UK needs to clarify whether it will leave the single market and customs union.

How many times do the stupid fuckers need to be told - The UK is leaving the single market and the customs union.

It's probably just another lame attempt to get us to say we have changed our mind and we'll be staying in the EU forever. <yawn>

^ The mixed messages from the government lately has meant that the maybot has had to state this again this week. It isno wonder that M. Barnier has sought further clarification.

There is still plenty of time for the maybot to do another u-turn.

^^ I lost a load of bucks as well. I lost my handy and couldn't get a transfer deal in time last week. Hope the drop in the pound makes up for it.

There are no mixed messages Troybot it has been clearly stated by all sides during the referendum and after it we are leaving the single market and customs union. Why we are still even discussing this 18 months on I have no idea. Why are we?

Originally Posted by buriramboy

All the main political parties, the establishment, big business, the politically neutral civil service and even the black Jesus Obama were all supporting remain yet leave still won.

Leave won marginally.. a 50/50 split of national opinion, a win nonetheless... but what has been achieved with that win so far?

Sweet fuck all and with all the time wasted with posturing and hot air the leave camp have lost credibility and shown they are incapable of finding their arses with both hands, let alone finding a valid solution to the situation they have created.

I don't give a fuck if you leave or stay as long as it's done with competence.. but clearly that's not going to happen and the leavers are so full of bull that they would rather blow hot air out their arses and take everyone down with them rather than compromise and accept that they failing to deal with this situation with the gravity and intellect it requires.

^ During the Brexit campaign, it was stated by Daneil Hannan MEP (nutter for Brexit) that it would not mean leaving the Single Market (and by implication the Custom Union)

The Tory manifesto states that the UK will leave the Custom Union but it then goes on to say that it will call for a deep and special understanding, including a free trade and Customs agreement.

The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, stated in writing that there was a possibility of remaining in the Customs Union only two weeks ago.

The Tories are split and still discussing the issue so it is not unreasonable to suggest mixed messages from the government.

Hammond who May has since shot down. You do understand negotiations right? Starts off with 2 parties having their positions and somewhere will be met in the middle or left or right of middle. We are leaving the single market and customs union. What relationship we end up having with the EU no one knows yet. But why Brits continue to work against the UK interest and refuse to move on continues to baffle.

Of course time has been wasted as no one expected the result and no planning was done for it, in fact it was prevented by Cameron. Why is this same old shit trotted out. The result wasn't meant to happen we all know this.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Project fear was perpetuated by Cameron, Osborne and the Bank of England dearest Neo, interest rates and inflation were going to skyrocket, unemployment go through the roof, recession in 2017.

Which has what exactly to do with economic analysis predicting reduced GDP after Brexit?

Economists agree that there will likely be a downturn in growth, the multinational and financial sectors agree, leading universities and research centers, even the governments own leaked analysis shows the same.

How is that 'project fear' ?

That's what I mean by derision as debate, pseudo politics.. you don't like the facts so hang a label on it, even if its irrelevant, kill the debate.

Show us the forecasts for a growth in GDP after Brexit.

^ The UK appear to be negotiating Brexit in a similar manner to the way I am negotiating my next contract. Make me an offer better than the one I have, or I leave.

The difference is that if I don't like the offer I can leave and it won't affect anyone but me and my immediate family, I already have other offers, and I can retire happily if I so wish anyway.

No-one negotiates without an alternate plan that the other side is fully aware of.

Originally Posted by Neverna

How many times do the stupid fuckers need to be told - The UK is leaving the single market and the customs union.

It's probably just another lame attempt to get us to say we have changed our mind and we'll be staying in the EU forever. <yawn>

because you stupid people are asking for a special deal with the same advantages as before, and not clearly stating what you really want, in true fuzzy British ambiguous style