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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwick View Post
    I never suggested that it was the same situation. I tried to point out that the EU was able to adopt a flexible attitude to the border and would be willing to do so for cross border trade if it were not blocked from doing so by the Greek Cypriots.

    I repeat - the EU can be flexible about their own rules when they feel it is in their interests to do so.
    Verhofstadt admitted that in an interview, after insisting that rules are rules and must be followed, and then backing down when it was pointed out that the hundreds of billions in EU bailouts are illegal and specifically so under the Maastricht Treaty, yet no member dares to protest.

    His only defence would be that the EU are not bailing out member countries that are in trouble, which would be illegal, but simply using those troubled members as a conduit to bail out Deutsche and French banks.

    Real smart, these political thingies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    All hopes now rest with my new favourite country France
    Sure Boris feels the same. After todays extremely entertaining pre vote debate on holding an election Boris could use a couple EU allies who favor no extension.

    Would be perfect for Boris if EU announced no extension before he is next scheduled to meet and ask for extension.

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    ...which is why it's quite possible Macron will do a 180.

    Even if he doesn't it will just be typical French posturing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Sure Boris feels the same. After todays extremely entertaining pre vote debate on holding an election Boris could use a couple EU allies who favor no extension.

    Would be perfect for Boris if EU announced no extension before he is next scheduled to meet and ask for extension.
    Macron is not going to get enough votes for his plan and he knows it, this is a dream come true for France, Brexit is what we hoped for decades, and now Boris could almost deliver it, except he can't

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    Brexit: Parliament suspension begins as Johnson's election bid fails
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49645338

    Parliament has officially been suspended for five weeks, with MPs not due back until 14 October.

    Amid unprecedented scenes in the Commons, some MPs protested against the suspension with signs saying "silenced" while shouting: "Shame on you."

    It comes after PM Boris Johnson's bid to call a snap election in October was defeated for a second time.

    Opposition MPs refused to back it, insisting a law blocking a no-deal Brexit must be implemented first.

    In all, 293 MPs voted for the prime minister's motion for an early election, far short of the two thirds needed.

    Mr Johnson will be holding a meeting with his cabinet in Downing Street later this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Macron is not going to get enough votes for his plan and he knows it, this is a dream come true for France, Brexit is what we hoped for decades, and now Boris could almost deliver it, except he can't
    If anything you say is remotely accurate surely Macron should bend over backwards to help us leave, secure in the knowledge that despite his pathetic performance our own interests compel us to muck in when Europe goes pop, again.

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    Macron doesn't need 'enough votes' , any country can veto the UK request for an extension, just depends if he has the balls to go against Merkel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Macron doesn't need 'enough votes' , any country can veto the UK request for an extension, just depends if he has the balls to go against Merkel.
    indeed, and he doesn't want a confrontation after last time, she completely isolated him, and that's not good for his project of European Army and his new leadership of the EU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    indeed, and he doesn't want a confrontation after last time, she completely isolated him, and that's not good for his project of European Army and his new leadership of the EU
    Only trouble is if an election were held in France tomorrow Macron would be voted out. That he is more popular among the EU than he is at home, well hes actually very unpopular in France tells you all you need to know.

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    "EU countries save their veto for things they really care about." Ouch.
    Are you reading, Chas & Jab?


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    No one seriously believes any EU country is going to veto an extension, it's just a talking point instigated by France and a bit of fun to pass away the time.

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    A more pertinent question is how much of an extension the EU will 'suggest' that Boris takes back to HoP for consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwick View Post
    A more pertinent question is how much of an extension the EU will 'suggest' that Boris takes back to HoP for consideration.
    Whatever they offer will be accepted and no doubt has already been decided by remainer politicians who were in contact with the EU before last weeks votes. I'd guess a year.

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    at least 1 year, but 18months is more likely

    of course that will not change a thing,

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    Brexit: PM insists deal is possible as he holds DUP talks
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49651969

    Boris Johnson has said "there is a way" of getting a new Brexit deal with the EU as he holds talks with Democratic Unionist leader Arlene Foster.

    The PM said "loads of people" wanted an agreement, but he was prepared to leave without one if "absolutely necessary".

    But the Northern Irish party warned any solution leading to trade borders with the rest of the UK was a "non-runner".

    Parliament was dramatically suspended for five weeks on Tuesday after MPs rejected calls for an early election.

    MPs are not now due to return to Westminster until 14 October.

    Amid unprecedented scenes in the Commons early on Tuesday, some MPs protested against the suspension with signs saying "silenced" while shouting: "Shame on you."

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    for those who still think France can save hard Brexit

    Brexit: Why France is unlikely to veto delay
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49640344

    To extend or not to extend? That is the question.

    And not just for Boris Johnson.

    EU rules dictate that, if it wishes to push back the Brexit deadline, the UK - as the leaving member state - has to ask for an extension from the EU. Brussels can't unilaterally offer or impose one.

    And if the prime minister does ask for an extension (even through gritted teeth), then every single EU leader must sign up to it for the extension to be granted.

    Which means every EU leader has a veto.

    Now France is causing waves once again by suggesting that it won't sign up to a Brexit extension unless there is some dramatic change in the British political landscape - such as a general election or a second referendum.

    But such pronouncements by French cabinet ministers - such as Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian this weekend - should be taken with a hefty pinch of salt.

    These are the main reasons why:

    1) France has form on this. It has always huffed and puffed before finally signing up to previous Brexit extensions. A diplomat from a northern European country dismissed this recent bout of French non-saying to me as "the usual French blah blah". Frankly French President Emmanuel Macron had more reason to dig his heels in over an extension back in April when he was careering towards European parliamentary elections, challenged by his political rival, the arch Eurosceptic Marine Le Pen. This time it's no skin off his nose, really.

    2) Mr Macron openly admitted recently that he is happy to play "bad cop" when it comes to Brexit. And Brussels is more than happy for him to do it. Letting the UK know that Brexit extensions are not always automatic is one of the few ways the EU now has of keeping up the pressure on MPs. More than three years on from the UK referendum on EU membership, Europe's leaders are impatient to get the Brexit process done and over with. They need MPs to finally unify around what they do want from Brexit, not only what they don't want - for example, a no-deal Brexit.

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    Of course no one thinks France will veto an extension, we are just building up Macrons claims so we can laugh at him when yet again he is shown to be spineless and will do whatever Frau Merkel tells him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    No one seriously believes any EU country is going to veto an extension, it's just a talking point instigated by France and a bit of fun to pass away the time.
    It's insane even by current abysmal standards for Parliament to force the PM to agree to a deal knowing that the only deal he could return with is one that Parliament itself rejected three times.

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    He voted for it.

    So having had his cunning plan pissed on by all and sundry from a very great height he needs to either sell it to the house or come up with something better.

    Which, if you remember, was the basis on which the referendum narrowly went the way of BREXIT in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Syb what of your God Corbyn, does he have any policies or just shit Labour make up and then back track on ad infinitum.

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    Still time to find those quotes, Numby.

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49646544

    Corbyn seems to be trying to come up with a way to persuade voters that he supports both Remain and Leave at the same time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    at least 1 year, but 18months is more likely

    of course that will not change a thing,
    They may go for longer. The rationale would be to ensure that within that time frame Corbyn is replaced by Starmer, Boris by Hammond and the UK electorate so thoroughly bored that the threat of the Brexit Party winning any significant number of seats is nullified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Of course no one thinks France will veto an extension, we are just building up Macrons claims so we can laugh at him when yet again he is shown to be spineless and will do whatever Frau Merkel tells him.
    not laughing as hard as watching Boris making a fool of himself and then do a 180 on Oct 31 like an English weasel and betray all the hard core Brexiteers in the process

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