Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Neverna

Traitors.


I think you need to get your German passport pdq, traitor troy.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Thanks. That makes actually sense. However endlessly extending the Brexit date will not work. I wonder how long the EU will be willing to play that game.

until the next PM calls for a REVOKE of Article 50, and stop Brexit, and that could take another 2 or 3 years

Originally Posted by Neverna

Traitors.


I think you need to get your German passport pdq, traitor troy.

Talking of passports mine runs out next June. However, it was issued in April 2010 so if there is a no-deal brexit it will be invalid in the EU from October 31. I'll have to get a new one soonest. Will it still have EU on it and will it still be red? I'll let you know in 4 weeks time.

It's not a good sign when half the country are considered traitors by the other half. Luckily the majority of MPs still hàve their sensible hats on.

Originally Posted by Troy

Talking of passports mine runs out next June. However, it was issued in April 2010 so if there is a no-deal brexit it will be invalid in the EU from October 31. I'll have to get a new one soonest. Will it still have EU on it and will it still be red? I'll let you know in 4 weeks time.

It's not a good sign when half the country are considered traitors by the other half. Luckily the majority of MPs still hàve their sensible hats on.

I might be mistaken but I believe all new passports are already blue.

NO DEAL NOT GOING TO HAPPEN EVER!!!

Next stop, rejecting GE

Brexit peers are going to try and talk the bill out in the House of Lords, not sure if that can and will work but we will see, apparantly they have put down 200 amendments to it and if they can keep talking to 10 am on Friday they might be able to kill it.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Next stop, rejecting GE

Only postpone until Nov 1. The circus makes for a nice early morning coffee start of the day entertainment diversion.

Boris is having another bad hair day it seems.

Originally Posted by Troy

The majority of MPs don't want a Brexit, they want to stay in the EU. However, the referendum result means they can't outwardly admit it. Instead they fail to agree on the terms of the withdrawal agreement and request a delay until the terms are agreed. The Irish backstop is a nice excuse but if a solution were ever to be found a plethora of other excuses will be found to keep kicking the can until everyone tires of Brexit.

A cunning plan to circumvent democracy. What next though? They obviously hadn't thought much about that at all. The country is now left in a self perpetuating, never ending shambles. Without the threat of no deal, they can now stumble into the arms of a turgid and destructive union, which refuses to acknowledge how futile and broken it is.

The personal self interest of a disparate group of British MPs has simply highlighted how clumsy, stubborn and ungainly the union has become. The only thing that member states have in common is geography, and a slavish inflated sense of self worth, just like those British MPs have demonstrated.

The EU is an economic union with desires for political uniformity, that will stifle enterprise and obscure the invention that once made growth possible. It will now reprise history and come full circle, becoming a diluted version of the failed enterprise that was the USSR.

Seems remoaners may have been celebrating a little bit too early, while I am no fan of the House of Lords they are currently doing a stirling job in an attempt to filibuster the bill. Word is they will only let it pass if Parliament agrees to dissolve for a GE.

Originally Posted by Troy

Brexit was never more than a pipedream for the deluded.

a dream mooted to gain votes from the people who have problems spelling European

it should never have been 51% - at least 70% would have indicted real popular opinion

Originally Posted by baldrick

a dream mooted to gain votes from the people who have problems spelling European

it should never have been 51% - at least 70% would have indicted real popular opinion

You mean dumb fucks like the 55% of Aussies who voted to keep the Queen as your head of state and no to becoming a republic. Obviously there would have been no outrage in Australia if the vote had been ignored and Lizzy fucked off with a republic installed.

Baldrick said <snip> "problems spelling"

"would have indicted real popular opinion"

TURNIP hahahaha

Originally Posted by Switch

A cunning plan to circumvent democracy. .

Referendums circumvent UK democracy. Or would if they were binding.

Originally Posted by Switch

Baldrick said <snip> "problems spelling"

"would have indicted real popular opinion"

TURNIP hahahaha

That's a strange way of spelling European, are you a brexit supporter?

Originally Posted by buriramboy

You mean dumb fucks like the 55% of Aussies who voted to keep the Queen as your head of state and no to becoming a republic. Obviously there would have been no outrage in Australia if the vote had been ignored and Lizzy fucked off with a republic installed.

Baldrick is South African I think.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Seems remoaners may have been celebrating a little bit too early, while I am no fan of the House of Lords they are currently doing a stirling job in an attempt to filibuster the bill. Word is they will only let it pass if Parliament agrees to dissolve for a GE.

Yes, we should dampen the celebrations by educating the cheerleaders over on the other channel as to how it all works. Some believe that proroguing Parliament is some sort of illegal coup, but this is a nonsense embraced the terminally ignorant, unaware that proroguing is a tactical tool used by PMs to reduce the number of Parliamentary days by a couple or few, and in this case less than a working week.

Under the constitution, Parliament consists of 3 parts: Commons, Lords, Queen. Every bill must pass the Commons, then the Lords, and becomes law only when it is signed by the Queen. Contrary to what some like to believe, this new 'law' which is a declaration of war by the Commons against the people, is not law, it is a bill for a proposed law, and won't be law until it passes those two other stages. And all of this has to happen within one Parliamentary session, and this Parliamentary session is due to end on Monday.

So Bojo has a legal way out, although like much of what's been happening these past years all options lead to other complications. But consider, assuming the bill passes quickly through the Lords tomorrow (Friday), which is highly likely if it is not filibustered, Bojo could and it's within his power, to simply sit on the approved bill and put off sending it for the Queen to sign into law, until after Monday. What then? Lots of noise from the outraged, but there's nothing they can do because the new 'law' is stone dead before birth.

While the Remoaners and traitors could resurrect the bill when Parliament returns in mid-October, there wouldn't be enough time even on express for it to come into force before the EC meeting on the 17th. Even so, again assuming it passes rapidly through all other stages, Bojo could again delay putting the bill before the Queen to sign.

The PM doesn't want an election but insists on one, while the Marxist would dearly love an election but will fight tooth and nail to not have one. We're looking at Brit politics!

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Seems remoaners may have been celebrating a little bit too early, while I am no fan of the House of Lords they are currently doing a stirling job in an attempt to filibuster the bill. Word is they will only let it pass if Parliament agrees to dissolve for a GE.

GE would not be rejected if it was not for derailing the bill for extension, so win-win at the end if the bill passes and GE goes ahead

regardless, GE is needed because another extension is not going to solve anything, only a new REF or GE

Originally Posted by baldrick

a dream mooted to gain votes from the people who have problems spelling European

it should never have been 51% - at least 70% would have indicted real popular opinion

indeed, the mistake was for Tories and their leader, silly Doris, to go ahead and invoke the whole process on a non-binding vote with such a thin and questionable majority

Originally Posted by jabir

So Bojo has a legal way out, although like much of what's been happening these past years all options lead to other complications. But consider, assuming the bill passes quickly through the Lords tomorrow (Friday), which is highly likely if it is not filibustered, Bojo could and it's within his power, to simply sit on the approved bill and put off sending it for the Queen to sign into law, until after Monday. What then? Lots of noise from the outraged, but there's nothing they can do because the new 'law' is stone dead before birth.

While the Remoaners and traitors could resurrect the bill when Parliament returns in mid-October, there wouldn't be enough time even on express for it to come into force before the EC meeting on the 17th. Even so, again assuming it passes rapidly through all other stages, Bojo could again delay putting the bill before the Queen to sign.

The PM doesn't want an election but insists on one, while the Marxist would dearly love an election but will fight tooth and nail to not have one. We're looking at Brit politics!

don't think the British public would not notice, they might not torch Buckingham over it, but woud vote against Boris and his silly party in the next GE

Brexit: Bill designed to stop no-deal 'will clear Lords'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49588186

The government has said a bill to stop a no-deal Brexit will complete its passage through the Lords on Friday.

The proposed legislation was passed by MPs on Wednesday, inflicting a defeat on Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

There were claims pro-Brexit peers could deliberately hold up the bill so it could not get royal assent before Parliament is prorogued next week.

But the Conservative chief whip in the Lords announced a breakthrough in the early hours after talks with Labour.

The peers sat until 01:30 BST, holding a series of amendment votes that appeared to support predictions a marathon filibuster session - designed to derail the bill - was under way.

But then Lord Ashton of Hyde announced that all stages of the bill would be completed in the Lords by 17:00 BST on Friday.

He added that the Commons chief whip had also given a commitment that MPs will consider any Lords amendments on Monday and that the government intends that the "bill will be ready" to be presented for royal assent.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn previously said his party required the bill to gain royal assent before it would consider backing Mr Johnson's call for a general election.

What does the no-deal bill say?

The bill, presented by Labour MP Hilary Benn, says the prime minister will have until 19 October to either pass a deal in Parliament or get MPs to approve a no-deal Brexit.

Once this deadline has passed, he will have to request an extension to the UK's departure date to 31 January 2020.

Unusually, the bill stipulates the wording of the letter Mr Johnson would have to write to the president of the European Council.

If the EU responds by proposing a different date, the PM will have two days to accept that proposal.

During that time, MPs - not the government - will have the opportunity to reject that date.

The bill also requires ministers to report to the House of Commons over the next few months. potentially providing more opportunities to take control of the timetable.

interesting twist, if the EU27 gives 2 years, the Parliament could refuse the new date,

looks like Boris lost all power

Thank the Lord(s)! Or curse them. Depends

Blame the Queen...

jesus, Boris is having a bad week

PM's brother quits as Tory MP and minister
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49594793

Jo Johnson, the younger brother of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, is resigning as an MP and minister, saying he is "torn between family loyalty and the national interest".

The business minister and Tory MP for Orpington, south-east London, cited an "unresolvable tension" in his role.

Mr Johnson voted Remain in the 2016 EU membership referendum, while his brother co-led the Leave campaign.

He resigned as a minister last year in protest at Theresa May's Brexit deal.

But he re-entered government during the summer, after Conservative Party members elected his brother as leader.