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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    They are trying to stop right wing loonies from ruining the country.
    and while putting country before party or their own political carrer they are being labeled traitors by the Brextrimists..
    My hat off to them for having the courage, for showing their spine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    A referendum is direct democracy or, if as we are seeing now, the result is ignored we get political chaos.
    If it is direct democracy then why do you expect your elected representatives from a representative democracy to execute it?
    Go tell the one who promised that the outcome of referendum result would be honored to do just that but you can't because he did a runner..
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    ^ & ^^

    You two really are shameful anti-democrats.

    As I keep repeating, imagine the Liberals win and revoke - what state will Britain be in then??? Worse than any possible Brexit outcome is the answer... Now, you'll have the Brexit party ramping up and 17.4 million voters, plus additional people that want democratic promises to be followed through, angry and feeling belittled by a minority in London. Due to the irresponsible actions of the minority who choose to work on behalf of the EU rather than the British electorate majority, it will get a lot worse now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    and while putting country before party or their own political carrer they are being labeled traitors by the Brextrimists..
    My hat off to them for having the courage, for showing their spine.
    Woe is me, the fucking irony in that last sentence. Since your spine was obviously removed and replaced with a bungy chord, allowing you the luxury of stretching that thin veneer of moral fibre.

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    These people, full of spine and courage according to some, are now avoiding a General Election.

    They will only maybe accept a GE by trying to parallel the EU's stance: force a deal through parliament before a general election saying what an elected party can and cannot do on Brexit...

    This constant support of standing up for democracy and giving the say to the people is a total lie - they have ignored the people at every point and will now try to block Borris calling an election this week... Their sole intention is to take the say away from the people. Why won't Labour and the Liberals support a general election now, today??? The reason is that the British people would vote in Borris' new Tory party who will Brexit (ironically, he would have the numbers in parliament to bring the EU to the negotiating table and get a deal...).

    But, no, Labour and the Liberals don't like the idea of a GE where the people decide what Brexit is - they want to add a law or two to take options away from the people. The have lied endlessly and continue to do so.

    1) Remoaners won't allow a second vote with two clear questions: leave now or revoke.
    2) Remoaners won't allow a general election where the British people get to choose if their prefer leave now, more deal time or revoke,

    The fools on here who claim the remoaners are acting in some democratic manner are rather limited in the thinking department...

    Labour have called for a GE for the last 2 years, well they have it, now - no, they don't want it until they have fixed the Brexit result in parliament first. Hmmm, the party of the people, they say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    ^ & ^^

    You two really are shameful anti-democrats.

    As I keep repeating, imagine the Liberals win and revoke - what state will Britain be in then??? Worse than any possible Brexit outcome is the answer... Now, you'll have the Brexit party ramping up and 17.4 million voters, plus additional people that want democratic promises to be followed through, angry and feeling belittled by a minority in London. Due to the irresponsible actions of the minority who choose to work on behalf of the EU rather than the British electorate majority, it will get a lot worse now.
    I wonder how many of those 17.4m are now dead.

    Representative democracy not populist or absolute, which are known to fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I wonder how many of those 17.4m are now dead.

    Representative democracy not populist or absolute, which are known to fail.
    Your first sentence - what a silly 'argument'; actually quite a nasty underlying thinking process.

    Your second sentence - when people lie endlessly and refuse to have a General Election to get a mandate from the people then the representative democracy has moved to something else...it has failed, been bought down from the self serving petite bourgeois.

    But, you have never pretended to support democracy. Like Dr Bobby, you prefer your personal view to be dominant rather than the view of the populous via referendums or elections.
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    Apparently, when the GE comes, the Tories might put up a candidate in that terrible little oink, Berclow's, constituency. Sounds like a good idea to me because the speaker has politicised that position far beyond anybody else snd should be outta that job a.s.a.p. - he's past his retirement time already, but won't retire until he has stopped Brexit...
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    Bercow was disgraceful yesterday, I said Mogg would get to him but it was Gove he flipped at outing where his kids go to school, funnily enough I know how Gove feels after someone stalked down where my daughter goes to school or did and posted it on here.

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    well, that was a brutal defeat for Boris

    propagation nicely backfired, next stop: Tories loses the GE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I think you lost your money tonight ...
    I put a bet against Brexit on some silly UK betting website, Betfair if anyone knows them, I hope they are not dodgy as they have been harassing me after putting my credit card for 100 GBP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    As I keep repeating, imagine the Liberals win and revoke - what state will Britain be in then??? Worse than any possible Brexit outcome is the answer...
    as you keep repeating wrong, REVOKE couldn't be any worse than the current situation.

    You could always INVOKE again in 10 years time when you guys have a clue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I put a bet against Brexit on some silly UK betting website, Betfair if anyone knows them, I hope they are not dodgy as they have been harassing me after putting my credit card for 100 GBP
    I've used Betfair for over 10 years never an issue. Boris will win a landslide in the upcoming GE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    I've used Betfair for over 10 years never an issue. Boris will win a landslide in the upcoming GE.
    they asked me all kind of personal details, upload IDs, bank statements etc... to verify my identity, and blocking my account after I put my winning bets if I don't upload those info. Sounds a bit like using some kind of premium porn websites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    they asked me all kind of personal details, upload IDs, bank statements etc... to verify my identity, and blocking my account after I put my winning bets if I don't upload those info. Sounds a bit like using some kind of premium porn websites
    Have to verify you are over 18. Have to send passport or driving licence or some shit with all online betting firms in UK these days I believe. Also for money laundering laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Have to verify you are over 18. Have to send passport or driving licence or some shit with all online betting firms in UK these days I believe. Also for money laundering laws.
    I have to use some UK IP proxy, the damn thing is blocked in France

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    a new day, a new shitshow for Boris

    PM in new Brexit battle after Commons vote defeat
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49574217

    Boris Johnson faces a new battle in the Commons after his first vote as PM saw him lose to rebel Tories and opposition MPs who object to a no-deal Brexit.

    The Commons voted 328 to 301 to take control of the agenda, allowing them to bring a bill requesting a Brexit delay.

    The PM said he would call for a general election if he was forced to request an extension to the 31 October deadline.

    MPs will now vote on the Brexit delay bill. If it passes, the vote on whether to hold an election will follow.

    Jeremy Corbyn said the bill needed to be passed to take the no-deal option completely "off the table" before his party would support the call for a general election.

    Under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, a prime minister must have the backing of at least two-thirds of MPs before a general election can be called outside of the fixed five-year terms.

    Downing Street said the 21 Tory MPs who rebelled in Tuesday's vote would have the whip removed, effectively expelling them from the parliamentary party and meaning they could not stand as Conservative candidates in the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    I've used Betfair for over 10 years never an issue. Boris will win a landslide in the upcoming GE.
    He won't get his GE just yet. No-one trusts him enough to allow it.

    The Referendum is passed its sell-by date. Time to chuck the result in the bin.

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    those 21 rebels are not going to vote for GE if they can't run

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    So they don't want a no deal Brexit.

    They don't want the deal on the table, knowing full well that they won't get another deal. They can't be that delusional that to believe in a different deal, can they?

    It is hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    So they don't want a no deal Brexit.

    They don't want the deal on the table, knowing full well that they won't get another deal. They can't be that delusional that to believe in a different deal, can they?

    It is hilarious.
    it is, but all we know what they want: REVOKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    He won't get his GE just yet. No-one trusts him enough to allow it.

    The Referendum is passed its sell-by date. Time to chuck the result in the bin.
    indeed, what a waste of time for everyone

    if they want Brexit, it's DORIS or REVOKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    So they don't want a no deal Brexit.

    They don't want the deal on the table, knowing full well that they won't get another deal. They can't be that delusional that to believe in a different deal, can they?

    It is hilarious.
    The majority of MPs don't want a Brexit, they want to stay in the EU. However, the referendum result means they can't outwardly admit it. Instead they fail to agree on the terms of the withdrawal agreement and request a delay until the terms are agreed. The Irish backstop is a nice excuse but if a solution were ever to be found a plethora of other excuses will be found to keep kicking the can until everyone tires of Brexit.

    Brexit was never more than a pipedream for the deluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The majority of MPs don't want a Brexit, they want to stay in the EU. However, the referendum result means they can't outwardly admit it. Instead they fail to agree on the terms of the withdrawal agreement and request a delay until the terms are agreed. The Irish backstop is a nice excuse but if a solution were ever to be found a plethora of other excuses will be found to keep kicking the can until everyone tires of Brexit.
    Traitors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Brexit was never more than a pipedream for the deluded.
    I think you need to get your German passport pdq, traitor troy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The majority of MPs don't want a Brexit, they want to stay in the EU. However, the referendum result means they can't outwardly admit it. Instead they fail to agree on the terms of the withdrawal agreement and request a delay until the terms are agreed. The Irish backstop is a nice excuse but if a solution were ever to be found a plethora of other excuses will be found to keep kicking the can until everyone tires of Brexit.
    Thanks. That makes actually sense. However endlessly extending the Brexit date will not work. I wonder how long the EU will be willing to play that game.
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