Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

here is the full story for our Brexit snowflakes friends

Brexit: Michel Barnier rejects demands for backstop to be axed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49540681

The EU's lead Brexit negotiator has rejected Boris Johnson's demands for the Irish backstop to be scrapped.

Michel Barnier said the backstop - intended to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland - was the "maximum flexibility" the EU could offer.

Mr Johnson has previously told the EU the arrangement must be ditched if a no-deal Brexit was to be avoided.

Meanwhile, the PM has told rebel Tories they face a "fundamental choice" of siding with him or Jeremy Corbyn.

His comments come as some MPs who oppose a no-deal Brexit - including Conservatives - are planning to take action in Parliament next week.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

The EU could not stop the UK from leaving without a deal, he said

in short, if the UK wants to do a runner from the EU, nobody can stop them

Glad we agree at last.

I hope Boris survive the censure to remove him, we need him for the FULL EMBARGO

Barnier is irrelevant, he like everyone else will do what Merkel tells him to as the EU negotiating position is whatever Merkel says it is. Only reason there wont be a no deal on Oct 31 is because in all likelihood legislation will be passed this week to stop it leading to a no confidence vote and a general election.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Glad we agree at last.

doing a runner would be illegal and suicidal, and I am sure the majority of the British public would not agree with that, but in your Chav world, it's standard procedure

don't think Boris would go that far, the Queen will intervene or whisper to him something

Boris is bluffing, and we are going to take him on his bluff

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

here is the full story for our Brexit snowflakes friends

Brexit: Michel Barnier rejects demands for backstop to be axed
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49540681

The EU's lead Brexit negotiator has rejected Boris Johnson's demands for the Irish backstop to be scrapped.

Michel Barnier said the backstop - intended to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland - was the "maximum flexibility" the EU could offer.

Mr Johnson has previously told the EU the arrangement must be ditched if a no-deal Brexit was to be avoided.

Meanwhile, the PM has told rebel Tories they face a "fundamental choice" of siding with him or Jeremy Corbyn.

His comments come as some MPs who oppose a no-deal Brexit - including Conservatives - are planning to take action in Parliament next week.

but hasn't boris shut down parliament ?

if we do have a GE, nothing will change really. The issue is divisive and impossible to resolve politically. Once everyone get tired of it, the next PM will have no choice but go for REVOKE or UNLIMITED extension

Brexit was an impossible dream,

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

in short, if the UK wants to do a runner from the EU, nobody can stop them,

... and with that, the Italian and Greek eyes open widely and smile

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

if we do have a GE, nothing will change really. The issue is divisive and impossible to resolve politically. Once everyone get tired of it, the next PM will have no choice but go for REVOKE or UNLIMITED extension

Brexit was an impossible dream,

A GE will change everything although in what way we will have to wait and see. Boris gets a majority then finally game over for remainers as he will be able to do what he wants. Corbyn becomes PM and the UK becomes a third world country and I emigrate as soon as practically possible.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Corbyn becomes PM and the UK becomes a third world country and I emigrate as soon as practically possible.

so much for supporting your country in difficult times, doing a runner ala Chav

Originally Posted by buriramboy

A GE will change everything although in what way we will have to wait and see. Boris gets a majority then finally game over for remainers as he will be able to do what he wants.

The GE will reflect a divided opinion, so hung parliament more likely, and PM chosen by the Queen alone like it happened before

next stop: REVOKE

if Boris survive next week votes, he needs to go rogue immediately and go 1940s style EMBARGO with the EU

Originally Posted by Neverna

Glad we agree at last.

During negotiations, you can either start with everything and take bits away or start from nothing and add bits. The end result will be a compromise. The latter way is the most disruptive and more likely to increase the compromises. That is, benefits such as the rebate and opt outs may no longer be on the table.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

The GE will reflect a divided opinion, so hung parliament more likely, and PM chosen by the Queen alone like it happened before

next stop: REVOKE

But we have a fucked up first past the post voting system where you can end up with a 100+ seat majority while only getting circa 40% of the total vote. Individual seats can be won with 30% of the vote in some circumstances as no proportional representation. For example 4 candidates in a seat one gets 30% 2 get 25% of the vote and 1 20%, the dude with 30% gets the seat while the other 70% vote doesn't count.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

so much for supporting your country in difficult times, doing a runner ala Chav

Unlike some I wouldn't stay and live and moan in a country I wasnt happy with. It would only be bringing forward my departure by a few years anyway.

Originally Posted by Troy

During negotiations, you can either start with everything and take bits away or start from nothing and add bits. The end result will be a compromise. The latter way is the most disruptive and more likely to increase the compromises. That is, benefits such as the rebate and opt outs may no longer be on the table.

the pipe dream of starting fresh would mean years, if not decade, to negotiate a deal, while keeping the current EU membership obligations. Not really a winning combination.

Article 50 provisions of a 2 year limit was a pipe dream in itself, and the Brexiters jumped on it like Nana whores on a fresh tourist

if the UK is not satisfied with the current EU membership and the new deal they got from Barnier, then severe all economic and political ties with the mainland, including ports, merchandises, immigration etc...

the UK military wouldn't accept that for security reasons alone, they rely on a lot of EU assets to operate, so technically will put the UK in full military jeopardy

interesting times,

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Yes, Boris has played the terrible hand he was dealt as well as possible.

In a new GE, the Conservatives would get a majority with the remoaner Tories out, so Brexit would sail through.

As for Labour, no chance...

Labour will need a change of leader if they wish to be successful in the next GE.

A forced GE that extends EU membership passed Oct31 could bring the Brexit Party back into play, splitting the Tory vote.

There are plenty of unknowns that can change the current poll predictions.

Originally Posted by Neverna

For Butterfly...



The EU's lead Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said the EU could not stop the UK from leaving without a deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49540681

Hahahahahahaha he just send me a feeble red for my last post. For a bloke who is wrong so often, he's still reluctant to admit that he was in the wrong, again. lol silly little euro chav invertebrate. lol

Originally Posted by Troy

Labour will need a change of leader if they wish to be successful in the next GE.

A forced GE that extends EU membership passed Oct31 could bring the Brexit Party back into play, splitting the Tory vote.

I agree with both of those points.

But, Labour has nobody...

The Brexit Party and Tories do need to work together (or maybe just the Brexit Party don't contend the election if the Tories look strong).

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Unlike some I wouldn't stay and live and moan in a country I wasnt happy with. It would only be bringing forward my departure by a few years anyway.

good point,

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

the pipe dream of starting fresh would mean years, if not decade, to negotiate a deal, while keeping the current EU membership obligations. Not really a winning combination.

Article 50 provisions of a 2 year limit was a pipe dream in itself, and the Brexiters jumped on it like Nana whores on a fresh tourist

if the UK is not satisfied with the current EU membership and the new deal they got from Barnier, then severe all economic and political ties with the mainland, including ports, merchandises, immigration etc...

the UK military wouldn't accept that for security reasons alone, they rely on a lot of EU assets to operate, so technically will put the UK in full military jeopardy

interesting times,

You have just been proved wrong about no deal, ignored that fact, and come up with more lies about UK leaving. After 31 October, the EU qill be obliged to start negotiating seriously, if they want any kind of deal with UK.

The Barnier negotiated deal was a prison sentence, tying the UK to europe in perpetuity.

As far as military is concerned, the UK will continue to assist the French with the logistic support that the French have always lacked. Because that is what normal countries do. You and your pal Macaroon can be as spiteful as you want. The real leaders will just get on with mutual support.

Interesting, and slightly worrying times for you perhaps. For the UK it will be carry on as normal and ignore the self interest of French politicians.