Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I see today that BJ has said the UK will only pay the EU 9 Billion Pounds of the divorce bill and will not be paying the remaining 30 Billion. Way ta go Boris

Oh look, it worked BoJo!!

Originally Posted by lom

It may be that the bill is not binding until the WA is parliament approved but:

The divorce bill was the first thing EU and Britain discussed and agreed about, the agreement about trade, people, and all other things started after that.
Therefore the amount owed had nothing to do with the outcome of the coming discussions. As I said recently , you have not bought a deal from EUu.

Now for the amount, I don't think Teresa pulled out her pocket calculator and dialed in a bunch of numbers and got the result £39 billion.
It is of course an amount that specialist in her negotiation team found reasonable so I can not see any reason why it suddenly drops to £9 billion.
The £39 billion sum in itself is more than likely correct, no matter if it has been approved by parliament or not.

BoJo may impress some local Tory voters but it won't have any effect on EU, it won't put any pressure on them.

I'm not interested in your opinion... Read the links, the divorce payment is part of the withdrawel bill that has not been passed.

in case of no deal Brexit, the financial commitment would be much higher, not the discounted 39b, more like 70b

so if by some miracle BoJo can go hard Brexit and default on some form of compensation, the outstanding financial obligation to 2020 will supercede the 39b discounted amount

way to go Boris

and our British friends playing the usual British game, switching the blame on everyone else

we need to get rid of those fookers ASAP, too bad they won't go, and choose to delay Brexit over little pretense like the backstop

leave now FFS

Brexit: Donald Tusk and Boris Johnson clash over who is 'Mr No Deal'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49458293

European Council President Donald Tusk and Prime Minister Boris Johnson have clashed over who would be to blame in the case of a no-deal Brexit.

Mr Tusk said Mr Johnson risked being remembered as "Mr No Deal" - but the PM responded by saying it was Mr Tusk who would become "Mr No-Deal Brexit".

The pair are due to meet for talks at the G7 summit in France on Sunday.

Mr Tusk added the EU was "willing to listen" to the PM's ideas for Brexit - as long as they are "realistic".

But speaking at his press conference in Biarritz, Mr Tusk said he would "not co-operate on [a] no-deal".

Since becoming PM, Mr Johnson has said the UK will leave the EU on 31 October.

Mr Johnson has repeatedly stated he would prefer to leave the EU with a deal, but insists the backstop - the insurance policy designed to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland - must be removed from the withdrawal agreement.

"I've made it absolutely clear I don't want no deal and that we've got to get rid of the backstop from the treaty and if Mr Tusk doesn't want to go down as Mr No-Deal Brexit I hope that point will be borne in mind too," he said.

BoJo the baboon is a survivor like Trump, the other Anglosaxon baboon, he can smell the BS from Trump already

you guys are really fucked, it's just too funny for words

Donald Trump: UK is losing the 'anchor round its ankle'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49462613

President Trump has promised a "very big trade deal" with the UK, saying its departure from the EU will be like losing "an anchor round the ankle".

Mr Trump was speaking after a breakfast meeting with Mr Johnson at the G7 summit in Biarritz in France.

But Mr Johnson said the US must open up its markets if a post-Brexit trade deal is to be agreed.

"I don't think we sell a single joint of British lamb in the United States, we don't sell any beef," the PM said.

Mr Johnson's breakfast meeting came before a day of discussions with other world leaders at the summit.

The PM will meet European Council President Donald Tusk, a day after the two men clashed over who would be held responsible for a no-deal Brexit.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

in case of no deal Brexit, the financial commitment would be much higher, not the discounted 39b, more like 70b

so if by some miracle BoJo can go hard Brexit and default on some form of compensation, the outstanding financial obligation to 2020 will supercede the 39b discounted amount

way to go Boris

I did try to warn you.

Making comments based on your inadequate knowledge, will make you look like you are walking round with your pants down all day long.

!. Understand how the uk parliament works. Not how you think it should work.

2. Understand that if there is no deal, the ECJ jurisdiction no longer applies following hard brexit. You can cry and wave your arms about all you like, but you don't own the UK.

PS Everyone else can see your spotty bottom, even if you can't. What a loser. hahahahahahah

PPS stop changing your mind. First you are claiming the uk will never be allowed to leave, now you can't wait to get rid of us. What a joke you are. hahahahahahah

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Notice, Paps, there are, were and never will be any shite French cars on my list!

Are all 3 cars from the same era? You fokkin dishonest cheater...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

didn't your Israeli wash his cock today after taking it out of Papillion's arse? Left a bad taste in your mouth?

You do have an unhealthily obsession for Israeli cock which in no way belongs in this thread. You'll soon understand what being shafted means.

Betty, you silly English cock; you need to upgrade your car software

take your Indian made Jaguar where it belongs, in a third world country full of peasants

I dunno, I would like this vintage French car over that modern plastic Jag

^ I'd prefer one of these if we're going vintage:

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Interesting OPINION, Papillion...

It's quite simple: the 'divorce payment' is part of the withdrawal agreement. The withdrawal agreement has been passed by the EU, but not the UK thus it is simply a proposed agreement or a drafted agreement, it is not a signed agreement thus it is not an agreement.

As far as amounts to be paid are concerned, it is yet to be decided. Some parts, such as the to 2020 budget will be paid. Some parts such as elements of EU research grants will likely continue to be paid, but that's up for discussion. There are many many areas up for discussion, and none have yet been signed off.

Separately, there are national level, EU level and British plans and agreements to make both a 'no deal Brexit' and a 'managed Brexit' go more smoothly; these include ares such as air travel and sea borders. But, areas such as fishing waters have not been agreed and will be discussed later; the EU want continued access to British fishing waters whereas the British fishing industry wants either no access to EU fishing boats or limited access - this is a major area that affects many EU countries. To put everything in one basket as May did, and agree to the EU demands before discussions ever took place was simply ridiculous hence why a ne deal Brexit puts Britain in a far stronger position. However, in a no-deal scenario, the EU could cause UK many problems, such as increased tariffs or slow border crossing procedures, but they would be cutting off their nose to spite their face because these are short-term measures which Britain would be forced to find alternative measures for. An example would be German cars, if they became more expensive in the UK then the British people would buy less of them, and either more British made cars (Range Rover, Jaguar, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, etc) would be bought/made or the government would incentivise Japanese, American, Chinese, Korean, etc, companies to build plants in the UK for UK consumption. As folks living in Thailand know: Thai made Toyotas and Hondas dominate Thai roads, and they are cheap as well as being good quality. I may go back to the UK in February, and need a couple of cars, and I'm planning on getting a UK made Toyota corolla hatchback Or UK made Honda Civic (whichever one I and the wife prefer after checking them out) and either a UK made Range Rover Evoque or a UK made Jaguar E-Pace (whichever one I and the wife prefer after checking them out); both nice cars, both UK made and support UK workers - easy. In times gone by, had the Yermins played nice in these negotiations then a VW Golf and a BMW X2 would also have been on the shopping list... not now... Uk consumers, just like Thai consumers and Korean consumers will have to shop closer to home for similar products for a few years to support the economy.





Notice, Paps, there are, were and never will be any shite French cars on my list!

BB, one would have to wonder why you would be trying to have a sophisticated argument with a North african who managed to migrate from one s#thole to the only S#thole in europe that would take the likes of him. Especially automobiles, with a person who thought a two humped camel was a radical new design in transportation.

All the same, the UK won't be in a position to do a trade deal with the EU, or anyone else, if the commitment isn't paid. It's nothing more than empty talk to get the brexit crowd on his side.

He's a pathological liar.

Originally Posted by cyrille

He's a pathological liar.

And yet the opposition parties appear stymied by their own self indulgent approach to any means of stopping Johnson.

"In a letter to Mr Corbyn, released on Monday, Ms Swinson repeated her view that any interim Government which took office following a vote of no confidence should be led by a figure who could command support across the Commons - something she said the Labour leader would not be able to do."

"Mr Blackford said: "The SNP remains open to all options but it’s increasingly clear passing legislation to block no-deal appears to be the option most likely to unite MPs and stop Boris Johnson driving the UK off a Brexit cliff edge."


How ironic such proposed unity seems to be dead in the water

Originally Posted by Troy

All the same, the UK won't be in a position to do a trade deal with the EU, or anyone else, if the commitment isn't paid. It's nothing more than empty talk to get the brexit crowd on his side.

Troy, there is no commitment!!! Let me say that again: there is no commitment, there is no agreement, there is nothing yet. Please understand that very simple point.

There is a proposed agreement that the EU are happy with, but that proposed agreement is between two parties, one of which does not agree it - there is no agreement!

Blimey, imagine you lot going shopping, you go into a shop, ask for a blue jumper, the shop assistant brings one out, and you say no that one's not for me. Would you then expect to be legally bound to buying that if the shop assistant started moaning??? The argument is absurd.

There is no agreement. There is a proposed agreement which is being worked upon and cannot be signed off unless parliament accepts it.

But, there is currently a legal obligation to leave the EU on October the 31st if no agreement is signed off. There is no 'divorce bill' associated with that agreement, none. But, there are, separately, some ongoing obligations such as the UK payments into the agreed EU 2014-2020 budget; Boris, and everybody else, is fully accepting that we will abide by those obligations.

Originally Posted by Switch

any interim Government which took office following a vote of no confidence should be led by a figure who could command support across the Commons - something she said the Labour leader would not be able to do."

Because he a muzzie terrorist sympathiser, Anti Semite and Trotskyite who'd have the country on its knees quicker than a nana serving wench.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

there is no commitment!

Of course there is a commitment. It does not come from the BREXIT deal. It is derived from the EU membership commitments. It was just confirmed in the deal. The commitment does not go away when the deal is not signed.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

but you can't leave without a EU27 vote, at least the hard way unless you want a full EU embargo

Truth is nobody knows how this is going to end, though I don't doubt the EU will place the UK under siege, through plausibly deniable forms of sabotage, fex bureaucratic or regulatory delays, lost paperwork, choreographed militancy or work to rule, and maybe the occasional act of open hostility for daring to leave the sinking ship.

The one thing your gods will not give us is the opportunity to succeed while it becomes clear that you and your beloved currency are failing. Go for it, and let's see if Europeans turn upon their leaders before or after it becomes clear they are doomed.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Brexit reminds me of the Mad cow disaster, and it ended with a full embargo on British beef from the EU, an embargo still active in France today

The Tories are terrible in making things worse, they are full of themselves, incompetent and arrogant

and they don't find solutions for anything because of that, complete waste of time and resources

if only BoJo would quit the Tories and join Labour to kick out that old boring kunt of Corbyn, he could be the new Tony Blair

Ridiculous, even by your pathetic standards; why would bojo try to oust the only potential adversary that he knows could never be PM?