Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Most people who voted remain are normal folks who realize they lost the referendum and want to get on with the Brexit process and get on with their lives. They don't want another vote, they don't want a long drawn out Brexit, they just want it done - but, they don't have a prominent voice because the mainstream propaganda channels doesn't give them one.

That's completely made up by you without any evidence of it.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Thus, the idea that Bobbie and others spout about the 48% being ignored is utter bollox, imho. The actually number of angry remoaners who will not give in is a small number, perhaps 20% of the electorate or less, and they are supported by the SNP, liberals, independant group and London extremists - a small, but wealthy and vocal minority.

Again making up figures as you go..

Originally Posted by foobar

Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
They were voting to leave the EU.

Simpletons see the world in simple terms .....have you not been following Brexit for the last 6 month or?

He has..

Originally Posted by Neverna

Article 50 will not be revoked.

There will not be another Brexit referendum.

Brexit - it's still on.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Never mind. Time marches on. It will soon be March 29th.

Originally Posted by Neverna

When the dust settles and Mrs May wins the day, you can say you read it here first.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Not long now, Plies matey. Two more months.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Theresa May has it all under control. We will be out of the EU at the end of March.

Long Live St Theresa of Westminster and all those who sail in her.

Originally Posted by Neverna

51 days to go.

Originally Posted by Neverna

50 days.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Time marches on. 45 days to go.

Originally Posted by Neverna

40 days to go. Tick tock.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Thirty five days to go.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Everything is going to plan. And the EU seems to believe it all. Jolly good.

Originally Posted by Neverna

29th March will be fine.

31 days to go.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Brexit. Not long now.

Originally Posted by Neverna

They were voting to leave the EU.

And that simpleton attitude is what got us into this mess in the first place. People who do things without any regard or thought of the consequences are dangerous, selfish, fools.

Originally Posted by Norton

Back to square 1.

awesome

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

That figure isn't too far off. 65% of remainers want another vote. Turnout was 72%. 0.72x0.48x0.65 is 22.5% of the electorate.

This is the man to trust on this stuff https://ukandeu.ac.uk/campaigners-cl...the-polls-say/

"will not give in" is not the same thing as wanting a second referendum.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

Are you referring to the 51.9% who took a different view to you on what's best for the UK's future? I can't understand why so many remainers are so bigoted.

Sigh. More simple-minded playground nonsense. Maybe you'd like to add that they smell funny too? At this stage my tolerance for this kind of childishness is close to zero.

@lom ..this is my favourite

Originally Posted by Neverna

Theresa May has it all under control. We will be out of the EU at the end of March.

Long Live St Theresa of Westminster and all those who sail in her.

let's wait for the new "meaningful" vote, if it gets on the floor

anyway, nothing we can do but watch the show

hard brexit is now the new default,

I rather think the new default is a long extension, EU elections, and either another a second referendum and or a GE.

Asking the equivalent of children a simpleton question on par with "would you like to ban Mondays" is scarcely a good way to manage a democracy. The lower end of British society is really not a reliable bedrock for anything other than ignorance, stupidity, bigotry and prejudice. Certainly, if they combine with the deluded and the malicious, then disaster looms.

Brexit will be Britain's contribution to world history in how not to govern which is quite ironic when Britain gave the world the role model for parliamentary democracy only to see it come crashing down after giving power to the mob.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

So you want to call brexiters dangerous selfish fools but when one responds by calling your attitude bigoted you call their response childish nonsense. That's real dumb.

Another sigh. I said in response to Nev that anyone who does not take into account the consequences of their actions is a selfish fool. I did not say all brexiters were selfish, dangerous, fools nor do I believe that. I make a deliberate effort to keep my posts clear and in fairly simple English but it seems no matter how hard I try there will always be someone to misinterpret and put words in my mouth.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I rather think the new default is a long extension, EU elections, and either another a second referendum and or a GE.

have you gone Brexiteer loon?

this is too late, that boat has sailed. Everyone in the EU can see after last night that you have basically a virtual "hanged parliament" that basically agree on nothing and disagree on everything

basically a non-functioning political institution, like in Italy, and now it's in the hand of the EU 27 to make that decision, and it has already been decided that it will happen on April 12th

you guys are politically marooned, like refugees in a ship drifting slowly to the shores

start remembering the good old days of power cut, trains not running, and food shortage in supermarkets because it's coming home on April 12th

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

you guys are politically marooned, like refugees in a ship drifting slowly to the shores

Slowly drifting towards the sea floor

Originally Posted by bobs your uncle

brilliant, and it has to be some UK comedy show from the 1970s that reveal the true nature of the Brits strategy in the EU

The carnage of a hard Brexit will ensure turmoil to such a degree that a GE will be inevitable not least because May is now dead politically and the Tories will not wish to foist another unelected PM on the country, particularly when the last one was such a useless cvunt. And I'm fairly certain Corbyn will not be leader either and Labour will need to re=-balance itself.
Frankly, the EU is probably quite fearful of a broken down, rudderless Britain as incoherent as most of its voters and will probably agree to donate a year's grace for the country to sort itself out without losing EU status.

Britain, and in truth I really mean England, has fucked itself royally and what's worse is the awful fact it has shown itself to be nothing more than a dried wankstain on the imperial handkerchief of its colonial past.

Fuck 'em.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Slowly drifting towards the sea floor

nahhh, rocky shores will do, more painful

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

All brexiters were being discussed via the initial all-encompassing statement.

The simpleton attitude is Nevs attitude that simply "they were all voting to leave the EU". The reasons many people voted for Brexit were far more complicated than that. I can't put it any more simply so I'll assume that if you still don't understand my meaning you're just doing the false outrage schtick again.

^ based on what facts, Mr Hyperbole?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

More made-up guff from you. What is it with your need to fictionalise?

Give in, eh? Now there's a telling phrase. As usual most of your post is just your opinion presented as fact, filled with made up statistics and assumptions pulled out of thin air. An example:

*** My quote was 20%. ***

1) You have said several times that you do not support people taking charge of democratic processes, that you think they are too stupid - often your rants in this space look very similar to Mr Sausage. If you do support direct democracy of the referendum result then I'm sorry, my mistake...

2) My opinion based on research (& opinion based on research is the best this situation can get because it is simply unknown - that's the future for you, it is an unknown...; as far as individual people's thoughts go, again this is unknown unless you visit every single of the 35,000,000 or so on a daily basis to ask how they would vote today...) was 20%; that number was challenged, and I detailed a bit more of how I got those figures. I think my analysis is reasonable and it has been supported by other research too as linked above.



Now, another interesting piece of propaganda from YouGov poll

& the numbers/questions highlighted are (after some massaging...):

A new referendum, stay or leave, and a claimed 48/36 split for remain.

Guess who pays for these YouGov polls?

Answer: The People's Vote Campaign - yes, that's right, the liberals, SNP, 'independant 11'; they commissioned it, wrote the questions and paid for it...

Obviously, they phrase the questions such as: Stay in EU or leave without any agreement on trading or security...
(This is just dishonest.)

Are there any other questions in the poll whose numbers could have been highlighted?

Should the UK leave on the 29th March with no deal: Yes:35% a few weeks extension:10% a few months extension with public vote or GE: 21% Longer extension for trade:21%

If the UK ledt without a deal would it honour the referendum result: yes:46% no: 41% don't know 24%

This is the poll:https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne..._updated_w.pdf


But, let's get back to my 20% claim which does link to people who want another referendum, and the YouGov poll gives it as 23%...

Do you think having another referendum would honour the referendum result: yes: 23% no: 58% don't know: 22%
What do you think the referendum meant: leave straight away without a deal: 33% two-year extension then leave with a May-style deal 21% neither: 24% don't know: 22%

Thus, more than 50% expected to leave with no deal or a May style deal, 22% didn't know.

Here's the poll: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...311_Brexit.pdf

&, here's a snapshot of 3 questions:

The middle question might make Bobbie happy; the % who want a new referendum is a mighty 33%.

But, as is consistently the situation in all the polls, 50%+ want to leave on a no deal straight away or spend a short time longer negotiating a deal - where short time is described as a few weeks only.



Despite Bobbie's hyperbole, the numbers linked and fact-checked by the pro-leavers on this thread consistently support the points we make. So, opinion? Yes, but supported by polls, research and votes (i.e. the referendum and the general election - you cannot get purer indication than that...).

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

You have said several times that you do not support people taking charge of democratic processes

links?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Surender to what, you jabbering idiot?

The EU is the most democratic institution on the planet ...

Forgive me, took a while to read past that.

...and has the best courts of law currently practising on the fucking planet.

That, too.

You want to leave it, leave it, but stop your fucking whining and eat the shit sandwich you silly Brit cvunts will be stuffing down your gobs for the next fucking decade.

Amazed that you can repeat the same tedious crap 300x and in 300 different ways.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

The simpleton attitude is Nevs attitude that simply "they were all voting to leave the EU".

Well, B0b, they were.

Here is the referendum question and the two choices. It's pretty simple.

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
- Remain a member of the European Union
- Leave the European Union

Originally Posted by DrB0b

The reasons many people voted for Brexit were far more complicated than that.

I agree. Absolutely. But those complexities were not reflected in the simple referendum question. But whatever the different reasons people voted to leave the EU, those people all did one thing the same - they voted to leave the EU.