Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Christ you lot really do suck it all up - carry on Troy, Foo, Cy, Buttfly & Seeking

hey, don't count me out, I am on your side, I support Hard Brexit

Originally Posted by Troy

Mr Jacob 'evasive' Rees-Mogg with his usual no-content answers.

jesus, he is creepy

a man of the people? more like a manipulator of the people, without the flamboyant humor of Nigel

Originally Posted by jabir

Under your rock perhaps, but not in Europe, they want us to stay, in fact so badly that they will do whatever it takes to stop us leaving.

But to be fair they're not clued up like you.

are you serious?

for more fun with that creep Mogg

Jacob REES-MOGG vs James O'BRIEN on BREXIT - LBC

that James dude is really good, interviewing silly Brexiters and making fun of them

it's like listening to our own TD angry Brexiters

that's the core of the problem,

the idiots think they are getting back money from the EU budget and invest that into public services instead, after Brexit

what they fail to grasp, and for good reasons, is the UK funding of EU budget is actually a return of money for getting businesses from the EU, like a 'sales tax'

you are not going to get the proceed of that 'sales tax' after you Brexit, because there won't be any sales at all and the country will collapse and will need the IMF rescue fund at the end

not sure why they fail to see the obvious

Originally Posted by Troy

Mr Jacob 'evasive' Rees-Mogg with his usual no-content answers.

I thought he performed well. Fyi it's easy for a competent interviewer to look smart extracting "no-content" answers, by asking questions knowing they cannot be properly answered because the answers are unknown or unknowable.

Fex: "What is the biggest danger if we go down this route?" (3.27)
Answer: "The biggest risk is something that hasn't been identified, because if it had been identified it would have been dealt with. So that's the bit of your question I can't answer."

Then he goes on to articulate the bits that he can answer. Is this what you call evasion? If it wasn't that, please do show where he was evasive with "no-content" answers, or of course just ignore it and dig for more hysterical interpretations.

Are you trying to compete with SA, dragon and the other loons? Smarten up, you're better than that!

Originally Posted by jabir

Fex: "What is the biggest danger if we go down this route?" (3.27)
Answer: "The biggest risk is something that hasn't been identified, because if it had been identified it would have been dealt with. So that's the bit of your question I can't answer."

Then he goes on to articulate the bits that he can answer. Is this what you call evasion? If it wasn't that, please do show where he was evasive with "no-content" answers, or of course just ignore it and dig for more hysterical interpretations.

Originally Posted by Norton

Greece and Italy have a far longer history. Perhaps they should lead the way.

They led the way by going bankrupt and getting booted out, good for them and us.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Somehow I have my doubts about that dolt's knowledge of history.

Well, knowledge of pretty much everything really.

If you have any doubts about history then click on the rewind button then click on the play button.

Simples init

March 29th D-Day

The banned John Oliver Brexit footage from December...hilarious!

http://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status...760071/video/1

It seems even the torygraph is losing patience with Maybot:

Mrs May suffered the biggest Commons defeat in history on Tuesday night when her Brexit deal was rejected by a thumping 230 votes.

It has been reported the under-fire PM left EU diplomats in a state of "disbelief" by not changing her doomed stance in the light of the humiliating loss.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The hysteria in the British press and on this thread is laughably dumb by the remoaners - you lot should start reading the international press across Europe

Let's try the English version of Spiegel Online:

May's Brexit Debacle
Britain Finally Confronts Reality

Now that British Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal has been rejected by parliament, it is time for the European Union to concentrate on preparing for a no-deal Brexit. Because a deal with the UK is not currently possible.

You have to give Theresa May credit where credit is due: She is a master at keeping her composure. No matter how badly she fails, no matter how brutal she is attacked by the opposition, the British prime minister never seems to lose her composure. Not even at the moment of what is likely her worst defeat yet, the crushing rejection of the European Union withdrawal agreement in the House of Commons.

It's almost enough to leave one feeling sorry for her. Almost. Because May made a conscious and fatal decision right at the very beginning of the Brexit process: She decided to deceive the British people rather than to be honest with them. And that even though honesty would have been easier for May than for other politicians. Whereas a Nigel Farage or a Boris Johnson agitated for withdrawing from the EU with half-truths and blatant lies, May actively opposed Brexit. After the referendum, she could have clearly told the voters what their Brexit vote really meant: hard choices.

She could have explained that a continued close relationship with the EU would mean having to accept many rules and decisions from Brussels without having a seat at the negotiating table. Or, if Britain were to opt for a greater degree of freedom, the consequence would be economic disadvantages. And she could have sent a reckless political hothead like Johnson to where he belongs: oblivion.

Instead, she appointed Johnson as foreign secretary and adopted his strategy of acting as though the United Kingdom could somehow have it all: full control over immigration, complete freedom to establish trade agreements with countries around the world and all the advantages of the EU membership they were giving up. And there would, of course, be no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, even if there is still nobody who has a clue how such a thing might be possible once the UK leaves the customs union.

The opposition isn't much better. Early on, Labour Party head Jeremy Corbyn committed himself to a position whereby the only Brexit deal he could accept was one that granted the UK the exact same advantages as EU membership. That was so obviously impossible from the very beginning that it is akin to sabotaging democracy. Corbyn still hasn't presented a clear vision for the future of a United Kingdom outside of the European Union.

It was always clear that a confrontation with reality was inevitable, and that has now taken place in the form of May's House of Commons defeat. She is primarily to blame for the fact that this confrontation took place so late in the game. Now, there is little time left to prevent a chaotic Brexit without a deal. The actual date of departure could, of course, be extended slightly, but only by a few weeks at the most. Otherwise, a conflict with the elections for the European Parliament would be the result, which would have bizarre, and perhaps dangerous, consequences for the rest of the EU.

And why should the EU even consider such a thing? After all, there is absolutely nothing at the moment indicating that Britain might suddenly come to its senses. Because the central problem remains: British politics is still not prepared to accept the consequences of the Brexit decision, a state of affairs which makes it impossible for them to know what they actually want from the EU.

May's Brexit Debacle: Britain Finally Confronts Reality - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Would you like me to quote from the French, Italian and Spanish press as well? They all think the UK were conned in 2016 and that PM May is incapable of managing her way out of a fooking paper bag let alone Brexit.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

& everything continues, EU countries are passing laws to facilitate flights, more UK/EU border workers and free movement for British passport holders in Europe, etc, across Europe, more and more, day by day. Everything will be fine, the French will sell us their wine and buy our fish, the Germans will still sell us cars and use our banking system; everything goes on because we have a starting point - the EU and UK are aligned already.

There will be no new referendum despite, no 'peoples vote' - we already had a peoples vote.

Parliament's job in this instance is simply to enforce the referendum result, and that's what will happen on March the 29th - increasing practical arrangements between then and now will happen to make the transition smoother on both sides. There never was any other option, no deals were ever on the table, just a framework for negotiations which was flawed from the start and was pointless.

Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, Cliff Edge, No Deal Brexit, "Parliament taking back control" are all stupid terms, cliches, thought up by people with one wish: to change the Brexit result and have us stay in the EU; that is not going to happen. We are leaving on the 29th. Remoaners will keep scheming but they have nowhere to go. Labour have nothing to offer and no cards to play. Nutters like Anna Suubry will keep screwing blue murder to the high heavens with zero affect.

The parliamentary timetable will not be kidnapped; there are too many ways to stop that happening.

We will have an orderly leave on the 29th, as Article 50 says, and between then and now pragmatic and sensible plans will be made in the UK and across Europe. That's it. Simple. Then, for the next couple of years or so, deals will be made with various partners, large and small, inside and outside of Europe. Life goes on.

The hysteria in the British press and on this thread is laughably dumb by the remoaners - you lot should start reading the international press across Europe, and you will see that sensible plans are being made in all the EU countries for a nice managed leave on the 29th. Happy Days.

That'll have the remoaners throwing their rattles

Sybill will need changing

Nice headline in Le Figaro:

Rejet de l'accord sur le Brexit: «Le fantasme de la domination européenne»

DÉCRYPTAGE - Si vingt-sept États européens jugent un accord favorable, ce serait ainsi forcément au détriment du Royaume-Uni. D'où l'urgence à le torpiller.


Quand une députée britannique tory proeuropéenne, partisane d'un nouveau référendum, est alpaguée dans la rue par des militants d'extrême droite pro-Brexit, ils la traitent de «nazie». Pour un observateur d'Europe continentale, cela peut sembler le monde à l'envers. Pour comprendre pourquoi le camp des «progressistes», comme dirait Macron, est considéré comme celui des tyrans, il faut aller au plus profond de l'âme britannique. Un examen qui contribue à expliquer l'ampleur massive du rejet de l'accord de sortie de l'UE laborieusement négocié par Theresa May avec les Vingt-Sept.


Le hiatus touche à la mémoire de l'Empire britannique et de la Seconde Guerre mondiale. Ce n'est pas un hasard si, à l'heure du Brexit, le pays s'adonne avec jubilation à la célébration cinématographique de cette époque dans des films comme Dunkerque ou Les Heures sombres, sur le Churchill de 1940. Contrairement à l'Europe continentale, l'Angleterre a résisté avec succès à l'invasion nazie. Pour le commun des Anglais, le pays a gagné ...

etc etc

The Brits are clearly delusional over Brexit,

and Betty, bless him, is your typical delusional English fool, full of dreams and projection with no sense whatsoever

Originally Posted by Troy

And why should the EU even consider such a thing? After all, there is absolutely nothing at the moment indicating that Britain might suddenly come to its senses. Because the central problem remains: British politics is still not prepared to accept the consequences of the Brexit decision, a state of affairs which makes it impossible for them to know what they actually want from the EU.

May's Brexit Debacle: Britain Finally Confronts Reality - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Would you like me to quote from the French, Italian and Spanish press as well? They all think the UK were conned in 2016 and that PM May is incapable of managing her way out of a fooking paper bag let alone Brexit.

good find, and inline with what "everyone" (with a clue) in the EU is saying

they simply don't understand or believe the consequences of Brexit,

Brexiters, as clearly demonstrated here, are funnily credulous people

Originally Posted by Troy

Let's try the English version of Spiegel Online:

Now that British Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal has been rejected by parliament, it is time for the European Union to concentrate on preparing for a no-deal Brexit. Because a deal with the UK is not currently possible.

Thanks, Troy - exactly my point.

These negotiations were never about a deal, a deal was never being put on the table - it was simply a framework where both sides put forward their dreamless; utterly pointless.

Now, we are at the same point as we were when we invoked article 50 - we're leaving, get on with it...

Editorial in Le Monde:

Brexit : « Enough is enough »
Editorial. Avec le rejet, mardi, de l’accord négocié par Theresa May avec l’Union européenne, le Royaume-Uni est pratiquement revenu à la case départ.

Editorial du « Monde ». Telle une Rolls-Royce dont les freins auraient lâché et qui, inexorablement, glisserait le long d’une route en pente vers l’abîme, la Grande-Bretagne s’enfonce un peu plus dans la crise du Brexit. Le rejet, mardi 15 janvier, par la Chambre des communes de l’accord de retrait de l’Union européenne conclu par le gouvernement de Theresa May avec Bruxelles était certes attendu, mais l’ampleur du vote négatif (432 non, contre 202 oui) donne une nouvelle dimension à la gravité de la situation.

Habilement, la première ministre conservatrice a aussitôt mis au défi le chef de l’opposition travailliste, Jeremy Corbyn, de déposer une motion de défiance, défi qu’il a relevé. Selon la plupart des pronostics, malgré le revers massif et historique subi mardi soir, Mme May devrait survivre à cette motion, non pas parce que les députés ont confiance en elle, mais parce qu’ils ont encore moins confiance en M. Corbyn.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Thanks, Troy - exactly my point.

Read the fooking articles you dummy!

Originally Posted by Troy

Nice headline in Le Figaro:

Rejet de l'accord sur le Brexit: «Le fantasme de la domination européenne»

DÉCRYPTAGE - Si vingt-sept États européens jugent un accord favorable, ce serait ainsi forcément au détriment du Royaume-Uni. D'où l'urgence à le torpiller.


Quand une députée britannique tory proeuropéenne, partisane d'un nouveau référendum, est alpaguée dans la rue par des militants d'extrême droite pro-Brexit, ils la traitent de «nazie». Pour un observateur d'Europe continentale, cela peut sembler le monde à l'envers. Pour comprendre pourquoi le camp des «progressistes», comme dirait Macron, est considéré comme celui des tyrans, il faut aller au plus profond de l'âme britannique. Un examen qui contribue à expliquer l'ampleur massive du rejet de l'accord de sortie de l'UE laborieusement négocié par Theresa May avec les Vingt-Sept.


Le hiatus touche à la mémoire de l'Empire britannique et de la Seconde Guerre mondiale. Ce n'est pas un hasard si, à l'heure du Brexit, le pays s'adonne avec jubilation à la célébration cinématographique de cette époque dans des films comme Dunkerque ou Les Heures sombres, sur le Churchill de 1940. Contrairement à l'Europe continentale, l'Angleterre a résisté avec succès à l'invasion nazie. Pour le commun des Anglais, le pays a gagné ...

etc etc

Hahaha, the French telling us about Nazism and how we "think" we won WW2 - good find, Troy; a truly unemotional detailing of facts from the French...

Maybot is a chav in skirt, she is clearly trying to deliver on the REF promises as demanded by Nigel

but it was impossible from Day 1, so instead of saying it, she did the typical British thing, and played on 2 fronts and spoke in 2 tongues

and now it does not hold the test of reality

Originally Posted by Troy

Read the fooking articles you dummy!

he can't, he reads and think like a South Korean

Originally Posted by Troy

Editorial in Le Monde:

Brexit : « Enough is enough »
Editorial. Avec le rejet, mardi, de l’accord négocié par Theresa May avec l’Union européenne, le Royaume-Uni est pratiquement revenu à la case départ

Exactly my point - the entire process of outlining a framework to start a deal with two groups with very different focuses was a complete waste of time.

We should have just left on day 1 and got on with it, as we will do on March the 29th. I'm sure you've noticed the laws that France has passed to help the transition, so we are actually in a better position.

Happy Days.