yawn, silly old pensioner
back to the topic, Maybot deal going to the dumpster thanks to Spain
UK Brexit Fascists saved by one their biggest source of immigrants
I have a sense May is going to prevail with her current plan. Lot of bitching and moaning about it but don't hear any reasonable alternative plans.
Not just her fellow tories turning against her now. The electorate now wants her head on a spike for misleading them.
If only we had a barge pole to push Europe a few miles further away from the U.K.
No deal is the only option left. UK Plc won’t accept the current offer and neither will the E.U.
She could always go to the country and ask for support. Almost like a second referendum. Now everyone knows that she is a duplicitous scheming remainder, I think the country might prefer Corbyn.
well, that's actually very reasonable
seriously, don't think there is a better alternative than hard Brexit. The current deal is too good for the EU, don't think the silly Brits will be foolish enough to take it hard up the arse like that, but again they are a deviant bunch, so who knows, they might like it the silly fookers
Of course you would. You have little skin in the game but the millions of people working for companies trading or providing services within the EU would be far less keen to see a hard BREXIT. Will take years to finalize trade agreements with individual nations. Lot's of unemployment and business closures to follow.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"
What about all those that lost their jobs around the world when we joined the EU. Shit happens but they got on with life.
How joining the EU led to a big decline in UK industryWhen the UK joined the EU we had a 45 million tonnes a year steel industry. Today we are battling to save an 11 million tonnes industry.
When we joined the EU we had a 400,000 tonnes a year aluminium industry. Today we have just 43,000 tonnes of capacity left.
When we joined the EU we had 20 million tonnes of cement capacity. Today we have 12 million tonnes.
Just before we joined the EEC in 1971 we had a 1 million tonnes a year fishing industry. Today we have 600,000 tonnes.
The October 2013 government “Future of Manufacturing” Report shows that between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%
Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.
Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.
Whilst it may not be fair to blame all this decline on membership of the EU, as there are other factors, it nonetheless shows categorically that joining the EU and helping create the so called single market has not helped us grow and has not saved many of our industries from decline.
Take some time off from the happy sauce. One of the few things we know for certain is the EU gods do not want a no-deal; if that happens it would be down to their overzealous pummelling in negotiations, and I doubt even placid Brits would stand for May's proposal to hand over Greece's next illegal bail out for nothing in return. Their arrogant greed for money and control has created an unpredictable and dangerous situation for both UK and Europe.
A common market for free trade has devolved into a totalitarian cult, where members are afraid to leave on pain of severe consequences, while a non-political Union ostensibly to prevent German domination of Europe has cleverly allowed German domination of Europe, while the people snoozed.
Meh!
Blaming the EU for the decline of British Steel...Oh my, what bs you've been fed on. Yes the EU rules were a factor but not the only factor and certainly not the main one. Other EU governments managed their industries through reduced running expenses, which the UK government actively refused to do.
You are most likely correct, but Corbyn hasn't specifically ruled out a second referendum. In fact at the last conference he was notably keeping the option open.
If an election were called with that as a key difference between the Labour and the Tory platforms, then things could get interesting.
Agreed it's questionable.
But as a human being the man is impressing the electorate a damn sight more than May is, whether you admit it or not.
And yes, I concede that May has set that bar low.
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