Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Spain votes NO

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46267684

Surely even you should know how it works; they threaten to create an obstacle, god appears with a hamper or a birch, and they 'grudgingly' relent. Ho hum...

Originally Posted by jabir

Buttplug doesnt

yawn, silly old pensioner

back to the topic, Maybot deal going to the dumpster thanks to Spain

UK Brexit Fascists saved by one their biggest source of immigrants

I have a sense May is going to prevail with her current plan. Lot of bitching and moaning about it but don't hear any reasonable alternative plans.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

yawn, silly old pensioner

back to the topic, Maybot deal going to the dumpster thanks to Spain

UK Brexit Fascists saved by one their biggest source of immigrants

Not just her fellow tories turning against her now. The electorate now wants her head on a spike for misleading them.
If only we had a barge pole to push Europe a few miles further away from the U.K.
No deal is the only option left. UK Plc won’t accept the current offer and neither will the E.U.

She could always go to the country and ask for support. Almost like a second referendum. Now everyone knows that she is a duplicitous scheming remainder, I think the country might prefer Corbyn.

Originally Posted by Norton

I have a sense May is going to prevail with her current plan. Lot of bitching and moaning about it but don't hear any reasonable alternative plans.

sure there is an alternative, hard Brexit and let the British fookers eat their cake

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

sure there is an alternative, hard Brexit and let the British fookers eat their cake

I did say reasonable.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

sure there is an alternative, hard Brexit and let the British fookers eat their cake

Mutti and Macron won’t allow a hard, no deal Brexit. They have too much to lose.

The only certainty here is that the butterfly option will never happen. Just put it down as another failure in the long list of Butterfly failures.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

hard Brexit and let the British fookers eat their cake

I'll go along with that. Having lived and witnessed the dock strikes of the 60/70's I can't see Brexit as being any worse. And we came through those.

Originally Posted by Norton

I did say reasonable.

well, that's actually very reasonable

seriously, don't think there is a better alternative than hard Brexit. The current deal is too good for the EU, don't think the silly Brits will be foolish enough to take it hard up the arse like that, but again they are a deviant bunch, so who knows, they might like it the silly fookers

Originally Posted by Norton

I have a sense May is going to prevail with her current plan. Lot of bitching and moaning about it but don't hear any reasonable alternative plans.

...but the deal is not as good as the status quo. The most reasonable alternative is to stay in the EU and guide it rather than sit on the sidelines and be guided.

Originally Posted by Norton

but the millions of people working for companies trading or providing services within the EU would be far less keen to see a hard BREXIT.

What about all those that lost their jobs around the world when we joined the EU. Shit happens but they got on with life.

When the UK joined the EU we had a 45 million tonnes a year steel industry. Today we are battling to save an 11 million tonnes industry.

When we joined the EU we had a 400,000 tonnes a year aluminium industry. Today we have just 43,000 tonnes of capacity left.

When we joined the EU we had 20 million tonnes of cement capacity. Today we have 12 million tonnes.

Just before we joined the EEC in 1971 we had a 1 million tonnes a year fishing industry. Today we have 600,000 tonnes.

The October 2013 government “Future of Manufacturing” Report shows that between 1951 and 1973 metals output rose 3% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has declined by more than 6%

Between 1951 and 1973 food and drink output rose by 5.6% per year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by 1% a year.

Between 1951 and 1973 textiles output expanded at 2.6% a year. Since joining the EEC/EU it has fallen by more than 6% a year.

Whilst it may not be fair to blame all this decline on membership of the EU, as there are other factors, it nonetheless shows categorically that joining the EU and helping create the so called single market has not helped us grow and has not saved many of our industries from decline.

How joining the EU led to a big decline in UK industry

Originally Posted by Troy

...but the deal is not as good as the status quo. The most reasonable alternative is to stay in the EU and guide it rather than sit on the sidelines and be guided.

Of course it is but the Torries cast the die by allowing the referendum. Now the torries and the nation have to live with it.

Originally Posted by Norton

Will take years to finalize trade agreements with individual nations.

How long ago was this move offered, how long ago was the referendum result? Now they have no time!

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Whilst it may not be fair to blame all this decline on membership of the EU, as there are other factors, it nonetheless shows categorically that joining the EU and helping create the so called single market has not helped us grow and has not saved many of our industries from decline.

There certainly are ither factors. The rise of lower cost steel output of Japan, Korea and China being a major factor. Nothing to do with EU/EC membership. Many industries in UK simply became globally uncompetitive.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

well, that's actually very reasonable

seriously, don't think there is a better alternative than hard Brexit. The current deal is too good for the EU, don't think the silly Brits will be foolish enough to take it hard up the arse like that, but again they are a deviant bunch, so who knows, they might like it the silly fookers

Take some time off from the happy sauce. One of the few things we know for certain is the EU gods do not want a no-deal; if that happens it would be down to their overzealous pummelling in negotiations, and I doubt even placid Brits would stand for May's proposal to hand over Greece's next illegal bail out for nothing in return. Their arrogant greed for money and control has created an unpredictable and dangerous situation for both UK and Europe.

A common market for free trade has devolved into a totalitarian cult, where members are afraid to leave on pain of severe consequences, while a non-political Union ostensibly to prevent German domination of Europe has cleverly allowed German domination of Europe, while the people snoozed.

Meh!

Blaming the EU for the decline of British Steel...Oh my, what bs you've been fed on. Yes the EU rules were a factor but not the only factor and certainly not the main one. Other EU governments managed their industries through reduced running expenses, which the UK government actively refused to do.

Originally Posted by Norton

Of course it is but the Torries cast the die by allowing the referendum. Now the torries and the nation have to live with it.

You are most likely correct, but Corbyn hasn't specifically ruled out a second referendum. In fact at the last conference he was notably keeping the option open.

If an election were called with that as a key difference between the Labour and the Tory platforms, then things could get interesting.

Originally Posted by Troy

Blaming the EU for the decline of British Steel...Oh my, what bs you've been fed on. Yes the EU rules were a factor but not the only factor and certainly not the main one. Other EU governments managed their industries through reduced running expenses, which the UK government actively refused to do.

You're partially correct, but it was doomed anyway thanks to chinky dumping.

Either you subsidise it or let it go out of business.

Even TATA are doing their tits.

Originally Posted by cyrille

You are most likely correct, but Corbyn hasn't specifically ruled out a second referendum. In fact at the last conference he was notably keeping the option open.

If an election were called with that as a key difference between the Labour and the Tory platforms, then things could get interesting.

Not with the tramp in charge of Labour it won't.

Agreed it's questionable.

But as a human being the man is impressing the electorate a damn sight more than May is, whether you admit it or not.

And yes, I concede that May has set that bar low.

Originally Posted by Troy

...but the deal is not as good as the status quo. The most reasonable alternative is to stay in the EU and guide it rather than sit on the sidelines and be guided.

It's too late for that, Troy. We had a referendum. Have you forgotten the result?