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    Agreed. Having fundamental rights outweighs the negative trade off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    If we didn't have these laws, bet your ass the government would use any bad event to filter/silence opposition, amongst other things.
    The bemusement I feel over the innate paranoia some Americans hold over their own government is matched only by the amusement at them thinking that if their paranoid delusions did somehow became reality that they'd actually be able to stop the government coming to grab their guns.




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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze
    Agreed. Having fundamental rights outweighs the negative trade off
    Yep...

    merica...

    So far ahead of the curve. Worst quality of life of all the industrial states.

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    Yeah the guns thing to fight the government has always been laughably dumb.

    It doesn't mean that no one should be allowed to have them. It doesn't mean they should really either. Its just kind of a dumb side argument that is really beside the point.

    Speaking of asides, one of my good buddies that lives a few miles over has a full arsenal and is completely convinced that he can fight the government or something. I don't know, he's a lovable retard. I try and explain to him how stupid he is but he doesn't get it.

    Its good for a laugh. Plus his guns are hella fun to shoot so whatever.

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    You know what will really protect you in America? Money. No one with money goes hungry, and you can buy your way out of bad situations. Hell, you probably won't even be in them to begin with.

    I tried to tell my friend this, that if he had just saved the tens of thousands of dollars he has spent on guns he could just buy a higher level of safety.

    That's America right there. That's what America really is. People either understand this reality or they don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze
    one of my good buddies that lives a few miles over has a full arsenal and is completely convinced that he can fight the government or something. I don't know, he's a lovable retard. I try and explain to him how stupid he is but he doesn't get it.


    Bless!

    I presume he's also convinced that the government is poised to come grab his gunz at the first available opportunity also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    presume he's also convinced that the government is poised to come grab his gunz at the first available opportunity also. AntRobertson is offline Add to AntRobertson's Reputation Report Post
    At this point I think that that clown is slicks muliti.

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    Are you saying my buddy up the road is Slick's multi?

    That would be a pretty bizarre coincidence. Like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Except stupider.

    How many drinks are you in at this point?

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    GoDaddy expels neo-Nazi site over article on Charlottesville victim

    Web hosting company GoDaddy has given a US neo-Nazi site 24 hours to find another provider after it disparaged a woman who died in protests in Virginia.

    The Daily Stormer published a piece denigrating Heather Heyer, who was killed on Saturday after a car rammed into a crowd protesting at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville.

    GoDaddy had faced calls to remove the white supremacist site as a result.
    The web host said the Daily Stormer had violated its terms of service.

    More GoDaddy expels neo-Nazi site over article on Charlottesville victim - BBC News




    Anoymous has taken over the Daily Stormer but you can still read the disgusting piece about Heather Heyer. I despair over the kind of sub-humans who exist in America and write for that website.

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    1. Lee inherited slaves then free'd them.
    2. The war was started over wealthy politicians wanting to keep the institution of slavery, and as a result they left the Union. Robert E Lee wrote about how he was against slavery (as he was a christian man) and seccession. The reason he still fought, was to protect his home, which is understandable because the North raised an army against the South aftet they took Fort Sumter which was in the Souths territory, they took the Fort with no casualties.
    Robert E Lee is known to have helped a dying union soldier on the battlefield. When Robert E Lee had the chance to end the war himself he did so at Appomattox because he thought there were too many casualties already. If someone took up arms against america, or your home would you defend it?
    “A nation which does not remember what it was yesterday does not know where it is today.”
    ~ Robert E. Lee. History is changed all the time, dig deeper and ask God for a humble attitude when looking at history. Robert E Lee was a christian man who was true to his morals, this is why Churchill, Lafayette, Grant, and many many others appreciated and looked up to this man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    Yeah the guns thing to fight the government has always been laughably dumb.

    It doesn't mean that no one should be allowed to have them. It doesn't mean they should really either. Its just kind of a dumb side argument that is really beside the point.

    Speaking of asides, one of my good buddies that lives a few miles over has a full arsenal and is completely convinced that he can fight the government or something. I don't know, he's a lovable retard. I try and explain to him how stupid he is but he doesn't get it.

    Its good for a laugh. Plus his guns are hella fun to shoot so whatever.
    Getting off track from looking at that shiny thing, but do you believe that US soldiers would storm their own cities, families, friends and strip away the very fabric they swore to defend? Pilots would bomb their own towns? Generals would order it?

    Because that's certainly not what I believe would happen.

    Only way something like that would happen is over an extended period of several lifetimes of human rights decay. Luckily we are more protected than most in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
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    We're talking about criticism of islam and behaviour.
    No we are not. This thread is not about islam piss off the the muslim thread.
    This is about Terry's post on free speech and my response to him - which he has not answered.
    There are many who doesn't bother to answer your posts.
    You'd better get used to that.

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    Slick (sorry posting on my phone and can't put two little carrots here):

    To answer your question, no not really. I don't think people having giant personal arsenals has any bearing on it at all. Like you said, that's just not where we're at as a country. Silly to worry about low probability events, its a giant waste of time actually. Actually fear in almost any capacity is a giant waste of time. I try not to get into it. Its just a distraction from what's important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    No not really. I don't think people having giant personal arsenals has any bearing on it at all. Like you said, that's just not where we're at as a country. Silly to worry about low probability events, a giant waste of time
    It's also just as silly to imply that the us would use missles, bombers, army & overall military against itself like hurrr durrr ur guns can't fight a hydrogen bomb or a tank durrr.

    Cause that wouldn't happen.

    But we should still have an option to defend ourselves from it, even if the chance is small.

    It's just as important as free speech and freedom of press.

    But I know what you're saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilsonandson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    The seppos want Free speech so they gota live with the resulting fallout.
    Same as any right or "freedom" allowed by a nation. Guns. Speech. Net neutrality & privacy. Search & Seizure. There's always gonna be people that take it to an extreme, and luckily in the USA we have great-granddaddy laws that protect people from losing those rights because of some nutcases that would otherwise ruin everything for the majority. Like a schoolteacher punishing a whole class/grade because that one kid fucked up that one time.

    If we didn't have these laws, bet your ass the government would use any bad event to filter/silence opposition, amongst other things.
    Well said Slick

    I agree as well,

    Free speech is very important and god bless the Septics for holding it up high.

    So at the end of the day what ever happens at these rallies is fair crack and people getting offed is just collateral damage.

    All good with me, I'm down with that.

    Wish we could tell it how it is in Australia.

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    ^

    It's all good though innit.

    If this is what it takes to maintain free speech than all good .

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    I think this is Heather. R.I.P


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilsonandson View Post
    A photo of the car impact. If you zoom in you can see the driver.

    This is a high definition photo, how on earth did someone know this was going to happen and be there at the exact time and take a photo in high definition on impact. Looks like this could have been staged.

    If only there was some kind of device that was easily portable, hand-held, could take high definition photographs and videos, could connect to the internet, and could be afforded and carried by millions of people.

    Oh, wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilsonandson
    I think this is Heather. R.I.P
    So after trying to spin conspiracy theories around the whole event and mitigate on behalf of racist cnuts for being racist cnuts now you're getting around to sparing a thought for the victim?

    That's nice.

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    If only there was some kind of device that was easily portable, hand-held, could take high definition photographs and videos, could connect to the internet, and could be afforded and carried by millions of people.

    Oh, wait...
    Yeah, we've all got one of these at the ready.


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    So every fucker had a camera phone
    Why are there NO shots of the car approaching?
    Why no drone or CCTV ?
    Let me guess, it inconveniently shows the driver being targeted by thugs, maybe even sprayed with pepper spray...
    If he was on a kill mission why would he slam into stationary cars and not plough through the crowd to the side?
    Last edited by blue; 14-08-2017 at 10:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    So every fucker had a camera phone
    Where do you live, 1957?

    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    Let me guess
    Obviously

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    If the white nationalists and supremacists at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va., were looking to be noticed, mission accomplished.

    A group of Twitter users — most notably the @YesYoureRacist account — have been publishing photos of the protestors on the social networking site and asking followers for help identifying them.
    https://www.recode.net/2017/8/13/161...e-nationalists

    This angry young man is Peter Cvjetanovic, a student at @unevadareno
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    shine a light on them.


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    Were the tiki torch guys white supremacists?

    Or KKK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    What we're seeing is the worst of both sides collide.
    Agreed, except the counter protesters didn't kill anyone and didn't ride a car into a crowd, did they?

    Btw, the antifa movement originates in Germany, to respond to Neo-Nazis and assorted rightwing thugs in the only language they (supposedly) understand: violence.

    A lesson learned the hard way, every however seemingly innocuous public gathering of humanity despising supremacists must be quelched before the poison is spread. It is a controversial approach which deals with the symptons.
    Fighting fire with fire.

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