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    The Teak Door Christian Crusades of Arabia Megathread

    Why on earth is my political comment, expressed without profanity and devoid of any personal allusions, excised from the thread?

    Mindless drivel couched in clunky prose gets by without any problem, so how comes my pithy, astute and quite intelligent comments are deleted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    You can put a flatfoot Bobby on every street corner and a whole army wandering around the streets looking all Rambo like and cool, but the only things that is really effective in defeating terrorists in the end, is superior intelligence gathering, and the willingness and ability to act on it.

    Just about every terrorist attack over the past several years has been carried out by somebody on a "watch list"...or "known to authorities". After the fact there are able to "raid" known lairs of these "cells". It's all a bit like scrambling the fighters after the Luftwaffe has bombed the city flat and are now back across the channel on the way home.

    The UK of all places should know this. NI had a very substantial police force (armed) in relation to the population, and a large contingent of soldiers backing them up. All very costly, but all it did was make life a bit more inconvenient for the IRA. They still managed to blow a lot of things up and kill a lot of people. In the end the IRA and it's operations became so compromised that the glorious leaders realized that some kind of cease fire and peace deal were the only way to "win" anything. Jeezus, it took three decades and thousands of lives to figure that out.

    When the enemy is hiding in plain site within the civilian population; moving freely and fully protected by civil laws, bolstered by an almost suffocating fear in the establishment of being branded racist, or anti-something, nothing much is likely to change.....except the increased costs of providing imaginary "security".

    Then the next bomb goes off; more blood in the streets; more cheering from IS, and of course more complaints about how it's really our own fault. I do hope all those poor souls clinging to life in hospital and those grieving the loss of their child know it's their own fault.
    Superb post, drenched in historical accuracy and as perceptive as a piercing pointy thing protruding through the chatter of inconsequence.

    I cannot recall reading anything as eloquent and persuasive as this, ever.

    Astonishing insights and I am utterly changed by them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
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    Hopefully the UK has a better choice of leaders to vote for than we had the last time around.
    I think we do. However the last 30 years of propagandising that a state must be run like a profit-making company make me feel pretty pessimistic about getting a decent leader. We'll get another Chairman of the Board. The biggest problem with that is that while many people have been convinced that this somehow gives them a say in the country there are in fact very, very few actual shareholders.
    Well said, my beliefs too.

    People often think that the "government" or the leader or president or PM is in charge, but far from it, these people are only mouth-pieces, spin-doctors, and the public face representing the real powers behind the facade of government.

    People vote in political parties based more on personality popularity ratings and pie in the sky promises rather than deciding what's best for the country.

    Consensus government with citizen initiated referenda is a more viable form of government, but the populace, like trained donkeys, respond to the carrot and stick method to be the first past the post, winner take all, damn the consequences, as the election manifestos are forgotten and thrown to the wind, post election.
    Superb critique and surely a contender for post of the century.

    This essay of brilliance propels political science into an entirely new direction and surely must constitute an epiphany moment for all of society.

    Dazzling, utterly dazzling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Why on earth is my political comment, expressed without profanity and devoid of any personal allusions, excised from the thread?

    Mindless drivel couched in clunky prose gets by without any problem, so how comes my pithy, astute and quite intelligent comments are deleted?
    'Cuz you're a c u n t?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    The UK of all places should know this. NI had a very substantial police force (armed) in relation to the population, and a large contingent of soldiers backing them up. All very costly, but all it did was make life a bit more inconvenient for the IRA. They still managed to blow a lot of things up and kill a lot of people. In the end the IRA and it's operations became so compromised that the glorious leaders realized that some kind of cease fire and peace deal were the only way to "win" anything. Jeezus, it took three decades and thousands of lives to figure that out.
    Comparing the IRA to radical islam is comparing chalk to cheese.

    The IRA never had people so brainwashed that they would believe blowing themselves up and taking out innocent people rewards them with 72 virgins.

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    72 altar boys, maybe, but never virgins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    The UK of all places should know this. NI had a very substantial police force (armed) in relation to the population, and a large contingent of soldiers backing them up. All very costly, but all it did was make life a bit more inconvenient for the IRA. They still managed to blow a lot of things up and kill a lot of people. In the end the IRA and it's operations became so compromised that the glorious leaders realized that some kind of cease fire and peace deal were the only way to "win" anything. Jeezus, it took three decades and thousands of lives to figure that out.
    Comparing the IRA to radical islam is comparing chalk to cheese.

    The IRA never had people so brainwashed that they would believe blowing themselves up and taking out innocent people rewards them with 72 virgins.
    It's not because of "brainwashing" but because of desperation of their fate.
    (And forget the myth about the virgins")

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    The UK of all places should know this. NI had a very substantial police force (armed) in relation to the population, and a large contingent of soldiers backing them up. All very costly, but all it did was make life a bit more inconvenient for the IRA. They still managed to blow a lot of things up and kill a lot of people. In the end the IRA and it's operations became so compromised that the glorious leaders realized that some kind of cease fire and peace deal were the only way to "win" anything. Jeezus, it took three decades and thousands of lives to figure that out.
    Comparing the IRA to radical islam is comparing chalk to cheese.

    The IRA never had people so brainwashed that they would believe blowing themselves up and taking out innocent people rewards them with 72 virgins.
    There was no attempt or intention to compare them ......the whole point was about how best to combat terrorist activity...the causes and players are not the issue.

    Extra police and a few soldiers ain't gonna do it. Better intel and early intervention is likely to be far more successful than knee jerk reactions after they blow stuff up.

    Quite a few potential attacks have been prevented by good intel gathering....so even more and better intel would seem like a better way to go than posting a few squaddies here and there to make the locals feel warm and fuzzy.

    The jihadists are going after very soft targets while avoiding well protected ones, and you can't guard every fucking thing, so what else are ya gonna do?
    I blame the Americans......and Thaksin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    The UK of all places should know this. NI had a very substantial police force (armed) in relation to the population, and a large contingent of soldiers backing them up. All very costly, but all it did was make life a bit more inconvenient for the IRA. They still managed to blow a lot of things up and kill a lot of people. In the end the IRA and it's operations became so compromised that the glorious leaders realized that some kind of cease fire and peace deal were the only way to "win" anything. Jeezus, it took three decades and thousands of lives to figure that out.
    Comparing the IRA to radical islam is comparing chalk to cheese.

    The IRA never had people so brainwashed that they would believe blowing themselves up and taking out innocent people rewards them with 72 virgins.
    It's not because of "brainwashing" but because of desperation of their fate.
    (And forget the myth about the virgins")
    Surely you're joking?

    Being indoctrinated from early childhood onwards into a belief that brooks no criticism or dissent, nor apostasy for disbelievers, on pain of death, is total and complete brainwashing.

    Their (Muslims) fate is demonstrably bound to their mindset as ordained by their religion, which includes uncompromising directives to either lie to, enslave, punish, or kill all perceived unbelievers of Mohammed's doctrine.

    Their desperation arises from their unresolvable inter-sect and inner conflicts over what constitutes "true" Islam and acceptable human behaviour, compounded by Islam's insistence that all of humanity join in that diabolical horror story of ritual blood sacrifice and oppression.

    The west and other, eastern societies, have rightly viewed Islam as a threat to humanity ever since its inception, and have risen in defence against that scourge of Islamic expansionism, repeatedly.

    It's small wonder that Muslims are now facing an existential crisis, brought on not so much by (within the last 100 yrs) recent western intervention in the politics of the Arab and Muslim world, but by their own hypocricy inherent in Islam, where "one hand knoweth not what the other hand doeth".
    “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? John 10:34.

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    Stunning, absolutely stunning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    The UK of all places should know this. NI had a very substantial police force (armed) in relation to the population, and a large contingent of soldiers backing them up. All very costly, but all it did was make life a bit more inconvenient for the IRA. They still managed to blow a lot of things up and kill a lot of people. In the end the IRA and it's operations became so compromised that the glorious leaders realized that some kind of cease fire and peace deal were the only way to "win" anything. Jeezus, it took three decades and thousands of lives to figure that out.
    Comparing the IRA to radical islam is comparing chalk to cheese.

    The IRA never had people so brainwashed that they would believe blowing themselves up and taking out innocent people rewards them with 72 virgins.
    Extra police and a few soldiers ain't gonna do it. Better intel and early intervention is likely to be far more successful than knee jerk reactions after they blow stuff up.

    Quite a few potential attacks have been prevented by good intel gathering....so even more and better intel would seem like a better way to go than posting a few squaddies here and there to make the locals feel warm and fuzzy.

    The jihadists are going after very soft targets while avoiding well protected ones, and you can't guard every fucking thing, so what else are ya gonna do?
    True. Criminals always look for the easy way.
    Make it hard for them and they tend to get desperate and slip up.

    Sensational news such as this latest bombing, or a truck being driven into a crowd by jihadists take up the headlines, while less sensational news about potential bombers and violent jihadists caught in the act of preparing for violent terror actions being rounded up, plots foiled, terrorist cells uncovered and jihadists caught on their way to training camps in the ME, get very little public airing.

    Intelligence based counter-terrorism is alive and well, and successful to a greater degree than people are aware of.

    More resources need to be put into counter-terror intel, as well as in boosting police and especially CCTV surveillance.

    When the lights and cameras are on, criminals can't hide, so duck for cover and leave the area and crime levels drop in proportion to that surveillance, and also in proportion to a visible police and/or army presence.

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    So almost all your muslim terrorists came and grew up in Britain and the police had them on a watch list. They lived in british communities where sharia law is practiced, and women segregation is common.
    Same here in Germany. The X-Mas market bomber was also very well known to police and should have been arrested long before the attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Not all muslims are suspects.We are not yet a police state. As the head of MI5 said, 3,000 suspects on the watchlists.

    By the way, our jails in Germany are popping out of the seams. How about yours ?
    Maybe more policemen will do the job. But do you have a comfi place to put them in?


    The answer is: "I think we need to be much more tolerant towards Islam."









    This is what the House of Commons will look like in the future.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    The UK of all places should know this. NI had a very substantial police force (armed) in relation to the population, and a large contingent of soldiers backing them up. All very costly, but all it did was make life a bit more inconvenient for the IRA. They still managed to blow a lot of things up and kill a lot of people. In the end the IRA and it's operations became so compromised that the glorious leaders realized that some kind of cease fire and peace deal were the only way to "win" anything. Jeezus, it took three decades and thousands of lives to figure that out.
    Comparing the IRA to radical islam is comparing chalk to cheese.

    The IRA never had people so brainwashed that they would believe blowing themselves up and taking out innocent people rewards them with 72 virgins.
    Extra police and a few soldiers ain't gonna do it. Better intel and early intervention is likely to be far more successful than knee jerk reactions after they blow stuff up.

    Quite a few potential attacks have been prevented by good intel gathering....so even more and better intel would seem like a better way to go than posting a few squaddies here and there to make the locals feel warm and fuzzy.

    The jihadists are going after very soft targets while avoiding well protected ones, and you can't guard every fucking thing, so what else are ya gonna do?
    True. Criminals always look for the easy way.
    Make it hard for them and they tend to get desperate and slip up.
    So how do you make it hard for someone to get in a car and drive it into a crowd of people, especially when their mentality then sees them rushing armed police?

    You can't.

    Either you give the authorities extremely invasive surveillance powers, or you accept that the risk of being killed by a terrorist whackjob is as significant as it is of being killed by a drunk driver, a violent robber or even a simple fall.

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    A common sense answer.

    ENT won't get it.

    'Make it hard for criminals and they slip up'.

    Like it's an episode of Dixon of Dock Green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    So how do you make it hard for someone to get in a car and drive it into a crowd of people, especially when their mentality then sees them rushing armed police?

    You can't.
    Well, actually you can and quite easily too. Simply embed concrete bollards every five feet or so parallel to the carriage way on the perimeter of the pavement as it abuts the road.

    Simples.

    One could paint them pretty colours to make it a bit more festive.

    We could call them Crusaders which is nicely butch.

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    the risk of being killed by a terrorist whackjob is as significant as it is of being killed by a drunk driver, a violent robber or even a simple fall.
    That's not entirely true. Unless I travel via Mosul, the risk I face going to 7/11 to buy a pint of milk dwarfs any risk I might face from death at the hands of a beardy-weirdo terrorist.
    Last edited by Passing Through; 26-05-2017 at 02:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    True. Criminals always look for the easy way.
    Make it hard for them and they tend to get desperate and slip up.
    So how do you make it hard for someone to get in a car and drive it into a crowd of people, especially when their mentality then sees them rushing armed police?

    You can't.

    Either you give the authorities extremely invasive surveillance powers, or you accept that the risk of being killed by a terrorist whackjob is as significant as it is of being killed by a drunk driver, a violent robber or even a simple fall.
    Increased surveillance of public areas works well without becoming intrusive or invasive.
    Do you know how many cameras have recorded your innocent wanders around town or in the office, or apartment building? Many.
    I was astounded, more than 10 years ago, when I counted more than 20 CCTV cameras mounted on the outside of buildings along a one mile walk from Uni to the city centre, then there were another half dozen or so walking across campus plus most of the shops along my walk had CCTV inside to keep an eye out for potential shoplifters.

    Intrusive surveillance is already in place, has been for years. Getting the legal permits necessary to instigate a close watch on someone is another matter, as it's often blocked by legislation surrounding consideration of an individual's claims of erroneously presumed "human rights" to do what he/she likes in privacy.

    I rigged a dummy CCTV unit (an old, non-functioning unit, not connected) in plain sight, visible through the sliding glass doors of my daughter's ground floor apartment (in a gated community) in Singapore a few years ago. Worked a treat. No more door rattling at night.

    It's not too difficult a job to rig an isolating switch in a car. Home made jobs work best, a disconnected wire's the simplest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    So how do you make it hard for someone to get in a car and drive it into a crowd of people, especially when their mentality then sees them rushing armed police?

    You can't.
    Well, actually you can and quite easily too. Simply embed concrete bollards every five feet or so parallel to the carriage way on the perimeter of the pavement as it abuts the road.

    Simples.

    One could paint them pretty colours to make it a bit more festive.

    We could call them Crusaders which is nicely butch.
    Best post you've made in a long while.

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    The odds of being killed by terrorism is, globally, around 9,000,000 to 1.

    Cancer, it is around 5/1.

    Perspective is all but most here are quite simply too stupid to understand anything very much.

    In the UK, before Manchester, it was currently around 5,000,000/1 mark but obviously the lesser the number of annual deaths from terrorism the lower the risk. Essentially, when "the Troubles" were at their peak in the 1980s the rate was much higher than now which is much safer overall. Taking 7/7 as a low moment then the risk, putting it crudely, was, say, 1,000,000/1 but the chances of that persisting annually in the UK is as remote as unicorns.

    Putting it all into terms even the thickest TD poster might comprehend, you have more chance of dying from falling out of fucking bed than from terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    So how do you make it hard for someone to get in a car and drive it into a crowd of people, especially when their mentality then sees them rushing armed police?

    You can't.
    Well, actually you can and quite easily too. Simply embed concrete bollards every five feet or so parallel to the carriage way on the perimeter of the pavement as it abuts the road.

    Simples.

    One could paint them pretty colours to make it a bit more festive.

    We could call them Crusaders which is nicely butch.
    Best post you've made in a long while.
    That you seem to have embraced it seriously is perhaps sufficient evidence of your mental deterioration to the degree of profound imbecility.

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    Really?
    Dragon's teeth bollards have been in use for hundreds of years in one pattern or another.
    They'll stop any truck or tank, if properly constructed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    The odds of being killed by terrorism is, globally, around 9,000,000 to 1.

    Cancer, it is around 5/1.

    Perspective is all but most here are quite simply too stupid to understand anything very much.

    In the UK, before Manchester, it was currently around 5,000,000/1 mark but obviously the lesser the number of annual deaths from terrorism the lower the risk. Essentially, when "the Troubles" were at their peak in the 1980s the rate was much higher than now which is much safer overall. Taking 7/7 as a low moment then the risk, putting it crudely, was, say, 1,000,000/1 but the chances of that persisting annually in the UK is as remote as unicorns.

    Putting it all into terms even the thickest TD poster might comprehend, you have more chance of dying from falling out of fucking bed than from terrorism.
    How did you arrive at those figures dipshit? Pluck them out of your arse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    A common sense answer.

    ENT won't get it.

    'Make it hard for criminals and they slip up'.

    Like it's an episode of Dixon of Dock Green.
    Have you always lived your life inside a milk bottle, troll?

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