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    Whatever the exact figures are, the fact remains that the likelihood that you or I will die due to terrorism is microscopically small. For anyone caught up in the bombing in Manchester, it was obviously horrific but the attention paid to these events is out off all proportion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through View Post
    the risk of being killed by a terrorist whackjob is as significant as it is of being killed by a drunk driver, a violent robber or even a simple fall.
    That's not entirely true. Unless I travel via Mosul, the risk I face going to 7/11 to buy a pint of milk dwarfs any risk I might face from death at the hands of a beardy-weirdo terrorist.
    Yes, you're right, that's if you really want to qualify the finest degrees of insignificance between "who really gives a shit" and "I couldn't give a fuck".


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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    True. Criminals always look for the easy way.
    Make it hard for them and they tend to get desperate and slip up.
    So how do you make it hard for someone to get in a car and drive it into a crowd of people, especially when their mentality then sees them rushing armed police?

    You can't.

    Either you give the authorities extremely invasive surveillance powers, or you accept that the risk of being killed by a terrorist whackjob is as significant as it is of being killed by a drunk driver, a violent robber or even a simple fall.
    Increased surveillance of public areas works well without becoming intrusive or invasive.
    Do you know how many cameras have recorded your innocent wanders around town or in the office, or apartment building? Many.
    I was astounded, more than 10 years ago, when I counted more than 20 CCTV cameras mounted on the outside of buildings along a one mile walk from Uni to the city centre, then there were another half dozen or so walking across campus plus most of the shops along my walk had CCTV inside to keep an eye out for potential shoplifters.

    Intrusive surveillance is already in place, has been for years. Getting the legal permits necessary to instigate a close watch on someone is another matter, as it's often blocked by legislation surrounding consideration of an individual's claims of erroneously presumed "human rights" to do what he/she likes in privacy.

    I rigged a dummy CCTV unit (an old, non-functioning unit, not connected) in plain sight, visible through the sliding glass doors of my daughter's ground floor apartment (in a gated community) in Singapore a few years ago. Worked a treat. No more door rattling at night.

    It's not too difficult a job to rig an isolating switch in a car. Home made jobs work best, a disconnected wire's the simplest.
    That's fine for getting nice video of someone ploughing a vehicle into a crowd, but it's hardly going to stop it.

    But you're right, the really invasive electronic surveillance that's required gets screamed at by the very same people who, after every terrorist attack, ask "Why doesn't the government do more to protect us?".

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    Here is the youtube video from UK Column (embedded this time) ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    So how do you make it hard for someone to get in a car and drive it into a crowd of people, especially when their mentality then sees them rushing armed police?

    You can't.
    Well, actually you can and quite easily too. Simply embed concrete bollards every five feet or so parallel to the carriage way on the perimeter of the pavement as it abuts the road.

    Simples.

    One could paint them pretty colours to make it a bit more festive.

    We could call them Crusaders which is nicely butch.
    So you're going to put concrete bollards every five feet or so in every area where pedestrians are likely to congregate.

    Wow you genius you.

    You fucking retard, it was irony.

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    I simply cannot fathom the hatred and sinister actions and inclination that would send a fellow human being into a crowd of innocent fellow human beings and end their lives.

    It's about time that the people who have been put in power to protect us realize that past wrongs need to be undone and some harmony needs to prevail.

    For fucks sake the Americans must take responsibility for this ongoing and savage war including all their lap dogs like the english and the australians among other cringes.

    And it's all about protecting the Jews!

    The Jew's would not give a fuck about the 22 who died and the other 1,000's of other innocents who have been slaughtered.

    And for those that want to take a look at my words.............TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AT HISTORY , WHAT IS FAIR AND WHAT IS NOt FAIR1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
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    So how do you make it hard for someone to get in a car and drive it into a crowd of people, especially when their mentality then sees them rushing armed police?

    You can't.
    Well, actually you can and quite easily too. Simply embed concrete bollards every five feet or so parallel to the carriage way on the perimeter of the pavement as it abuts the road.

    Simples.

    One could paint them pretty colours to make it a bit more festive.

    We could call them Crusaders which is nicely butch.
    So you're going to put concrete bollards every five feet or so in every area where pedestrians are likely to congregate.

    Wow you genius you.

    You fucking retard, it was irony.
    You don't really think I consider you a genius do you?

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    And it's all about protecting the Jews!
    the jews or the israelis?

    some clarity is required here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    the jews or the israelis?

    some clarity is required here.
    So who runs America at the moment Tax? Not Trump and the other muppets surely?

    C'mon mate you know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AT HISTORY , WHAT IS FAIR AND WHAT IS NOt FAIR1
    Ah yes, a 'deeper look at history'.

    How very timely that would be.

    Any particular aspects of history, LT, if I might ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    I simply cannot fathom the hatred and sinister actions and inclination that would send a fellow human being into a crowd of innocent fellow human beings and end their lives.

    It's about time that the people who have been put in power to protect us realize that past wrongs need to be undone and some harmony needs to prevail.

    For fucks sake the Americans must take responsibility for this ongoing and savage war including all their lap dogs like the english and the australians among other cringes.

    And it's all about protecting the Jews!

    The Jew's would not give a fuck about the 22 who died and the other 1,000's of other innocents who have been slaughtered.

    And for those that want to take a look at my words.............TAKE A DEEPER LOOK AT HISTORY , WHAT IS FAIR AND WHAT IS NOt FAIR1
    what is not fair is Israel being continually attacked since it's formation, luckily the Muslim armies were too crap to be able to defeat them. It was never really about land as the so called Palestinians could have had their own state at the same time but declined it. It has always been about religion and Muslims vile antisemitism. To defend Israel is to defend freedom and justice and to be against hate and the religious zealots of Islam.

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    Placing concrete bollards along a road won't stop a 50 ton truck travelling at speed.
    They're far too light and mobile, so have to be dug in otherwise they'll be just shoved to one side by the truck.

    Re-aligning access roads into city areas, so that a truck has to slow down to negotiate right-angled corners will reduce its momentum as it approaches public open spaces.

    Trench and bollard systems work, if the bollards are dragons teeth types, sunk 3 ft into the ground with a projecting 3 ft pyramidal upper portion, all arranged in a zig-zag fashion either in front of, or behind, or in a combined pattern, including in between short, shallow zig-zagged trenches or moats, which could double as ornamental water features, leaving plenty of room for pedestrians to pass through, again, along a zig-zag course through the obstacles.
    Even at high speed, trucks slamming into that kind of arrangement would have their front wheels lifted off the ground or trapped in an adjacent trench.

    Stepped public areas, or sunken ones, or raised plazas laid out in irregular formation will also slow down and stop trucks if their speeds are initially reduced by zig-zag access via left and right turns around ordinary city blocks, instead of clearways through.

    Another method of combating road initiated carnage is by setting all city roads at lower levels than pedestrian areas.
    This also reduces pedestrian deaths while crossing busy roads, allows freer traffic flows and gets rid of the need for pedestrian crossings which can be replaced by pedestrian bridges across city roads.

    Other advantages to this system of city roadscape is that traffic exhaust fumes would not easily spread from there to pedestrian levels, especially if low hedges were planted along roadside guard walls, the exhaust fumes could be drawn out and pumped to "scrubbers", filters mounted on ventilation shafts along those roads.

    Goods and service access ramps for trucks and delivery vehicles could run off those roads into underground or basement carparks in surrounding city blocks, as can lead roads to public carparks.

    Cities all around the world are having to go through a total re-think about traffic and its potential damage to both human life and city infrastructure, som we'll likely see some of the above ideas put into use as diesel is phased out, electric/hydrogen hybrid vehicles come into more common use along with more upto date city public transport systems such as tram or rail lines.

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    Whilst I agree with your points tHAI 3 I must say the Israels could have never defended themselves without the Americans support.

    The Israelis took a slice of the best territory geographically and part of a global shit fight giving the Muslims shit.

    I have no issues with any religion. But what is fair is fair.

    I guess if your forefathers built an empire through hard work and enterprise and to have it taken away from you because the JEWS had a bigger supporter with bigger guns?

    What really amazes me is the American people have no idea about how they are being manipulated. SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON A LOST CAUSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    And it's all about protecting the Jews!
    the jews or the israelis?
    Both.

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    ^ What A Silly Question From Tax!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    The Israelis took a slice of the best territory geographically and part of a global shit fight giving the Muslims shit.

    I guess if your forefathers built an empire through hard work and enterprise and to have it taken away from you because the JEWS had a bigger supporter with bigger guns?
    You're kidding!
    How much of Palestine do you think was any where near economically productive before the Jews arrived?
    The Arabs (TransJordan) was backed to the hilt by UK, if it wasn't for British engineering and organization that place would have remained a medieval shithole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Placing concrete bollards along a road won't stop a 50 ton truck travelling at speed.
    They're far too light and mobile, so have to be dug in otherwise they'll be just shoved to one side by the truck.

    Re-aligning access roads into city areas, so that a truck has to slow down to negotiate right-angled corners will reduce its momentum as it approaches public open spaces.

    Trench and bollard systems work, if the bollards are dragons teeth types, sunk 3 ft into the ground with a projecting 3 ft pyramidal upper portion, all arranged in a zig-zag fashion either in front of, or behind, or in a combined pattern, including in between short, shallow zig-zagged trenches or moats, which could double as ornamental water features, leaving plenty of room for pedestrians to pass through, again, along a zig-zag course through the obstacles.
    Even at high speed, trucks slamming into that kind of arrangement would have their front wheels lifted off the ground or trapped in an adjacent trench.

    Stepped public areas, or sunken ones, or raised plazas laid out in irregular formation will also slow down and stop trucks if their speeds are initially reduced by zig-zag access via left and right turns around ordinary city blocks, instead of clearways through.

    Another method of combating road initiated carnage is by setting all city roads at lower levels than pedestrian areas.
    This also reduces pedestrian deaths while crossing busy roads, allows freer traffic flows and gets rid of the need for pedestrian crossings which can be replaced by pedestrian bridges across city roads.

    Other advantages to this system of city roadscape is that traffic exhaust fumes would not easily spread from there to pedestrian levels, especially if low hedges were planted along roadside guard walls, the exhaust fumes could be drawn out and pumped to "scrubbers", filters mounted on ventilation shafts along those roads.

    Goods and service access ramps for trucks and delivery vehicles could run off those roads into underground or basement carparks in surrounding city blocks, as can lead roads to public carparks.

    Cities all around the world are having to go through a total re-think about traffic and its potential damage to both human life and city infrastructure, som we'll likely see some of the above ideas put into use as diesel is phased out, electric/hydrogen hybrid vehicles come into more common use along with more upto date city public transport systems such as tram or rail lines.
    This all seems logical and well thought out. Why would the UK government not use this kind of defense to prevent more road carnage? The cost would definitely deter terrorists, or at least make them think twice. It is this kind of thinking that may prevent some attacks and is much better than telling everyone they need to get used to terrorist attacks in the future. Governments need to be more proactive than reactive in order to stay ahead of the terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Placing concrete bollards along a road won't stop a 50 ton truck travelling at speed.
    They're far too light and mobile, so have to be dug in otherwise they'll be just shoved to one side by the truck.

    Re-aligning access roads into city areas, so that a truck has to slow down to negotiate right-angled corners will reduce its momentum as it approaches public open spaces.

    Trench and bollard systems work, if the bollards are dragons teeth types, sunk 3 ft into the ground with a projecting 3 ft pyramidal upper portion, all arranged in a zig-zag fashion either in front of, or behind, or in a combined pattern, including in between short, shallow zig-zagged trenches or moats, which could double as ornamental water features, leaving plenty of room for pedestrians to pass through, again, along a zig-zag course through the obstacles.
    Even at high speed, trucks slamming into that kind of arrangement would have their front wheels lifted off the ground or trapped in an adjacent trench.

    Stepped public areas, or sunken ones, or raised plazas laid out in irregular formation will also slow down and stop trucks if their speeds are initially reduced by zig-zag access via left and right turns around ordinary city blocks, instead of clearways through.

    Another method of combating road initiated carnage is by setting all city roads at lower levels than pedestrian areas.
    This also reduces pedestrian deaths while crossing busy roads, allows freer traffic flows and gets rid of the need for pedestrian crossings which can be replaced by pedestrian bridges across city roads.

    Other advantages to this system of city roadscape is that traffic exhaust fumes would not easily spread from there to pedestrian levels, especially if low hedges were planted along roadside guard walls, the exhaust fumes could be drawn out and pumped to "scrubbers", filters mounted on ventilation shafts along those roads.

    Goods and service access ramps for trucks and delivery vehicles could run off those roads into underground or basement carparks in surrounding city blocks, as can lead roads to public carparks.

    Cities all around the world are having to go through a total re-think about traffic and its potential damage to both human life and city infrastructure, som we'll likely see some of the above ideas put into use as diesel is phased out, electric/hydrogen hybrid vehicles come into more common use along with more upto date city public transport systems such as tram or rail lines.
    or, of course, the uk shouldn't have joined dubya and the neo-cons in their "re-shaping the middle east for democracy" nonsense (more likely for the purpose of starting wars, creating chaos, causing a refugee crisis and a flow of muslims to europe and then bibi and boys can laugh and say "you dumb europeans who used to criticize us for being tough on terrorists are now asking us for advice.").

    of course, the politicians in europe should have listened to the millions of protesters who marched in the streets of europe before the us/uk invasion of iraq, though it's too late for that now, obviously.

    what to do?

    build road barriers? wtf?

    1. join up with trump to put pressure on israel to give up land for peace.

    2. the uk supports assad to end the war in syria and the end of isis in syria.

    3. all the refugees go back to syria and the africans/others who sneaked in on the same boats get sent back to their countries, too.

    4. isis loses its base in syria and iraq and is left with an internet campaign promising riches and virgins in heaven for those who blow up infidels (basically lose credibility as their caliphate aint gonna happen).

    5. the us/uk intelligence services have become rich with money and resources since 911 and should keep on their toes, as it were.

    anyone disagree?


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    1. Not going to happen.

    2. Not going to happen.

    3. It might help, but not going to happen.

    4. Possible.

    5. Intelligence again terrorists around the world needs to be increased, not just in the us/uk.

    Not much of a plan Farang, please try again.

    Road barriers are still more logical than 1-5.

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    ^^ I'm afraid your rather slanted American view of what's going on in UK doesn't fit the bill. Brits have a different ethos re. ME, Israel/Palestine and so on.

    We also haven't a clue as to why global warming is a political football in the US, nor WTF Trump has to do with anything.

    As for the millions of protesters marching through the streets against the Iraq war, I must have missed that one, we were too engrossed in Kelly's death and why Blair let himself be blackmailed by Bush.
    Neo-cons? Aren't they some sort of airconditioning system?

    I think your 5 point plan above may appeal to hysterical Americans long used to swallowing your gov. bullshit re 9/11 through to the moonwalk, but you'll find that Brits, by and large don't easily rally to razmataz, although they like Morriss dancing, folf festivals and fairs and the odd pipe-band with drums parades.

    More to the point re. refugees from Iraq and Syria, since it was all USA's big idea to get stuck in there in the beginning, and USA's the heaviest investor in that ongoing debacle, as well as Libya, not to mention other African states that the USA's been jackbooting around, don't you think that the majority of refugees from those US led wars should go to USA? After all, UK, and Europe seem to be taking the lion's share of the debt to the displaced at the moment.

    And again, were there any protests when Bush and Obama sent your glorious thugs off to war in the ME?

    Hardly any to speak of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
    1. join up with trump to put pressure on israel to give up land for peace.

    2. the uk supports assad to end the war in syria and the end of isis in syria.
    1. Not going to happen.

    2. Not going to happen.
    why aren't they going to happen, IYO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    I'm afraid your rather slanted American view of what's going on in UK doesn't fit the bill. Brits have a different ethos re. ME, Israel/Palestine and so on.

    We also haven't a clue as to why global warming is a political football in the US, nor WTF Trump has to do with anything.

    As for the millions of protesters marching through the streets against the Iraq war, I must have missed that one, we were too engrossed in Kelly's death and why Blair let himself be blackmailed by Bush.
    Neo-cons? Aren't they some sort of airconditioning system?

    I think your 5 point plan above may appeal to hysterical Americans long used to swallowing your gov. bullshit re 9/11 through to the moonwalk, but you'll find that Brits, by and large don't easily rally to razmataz, although they like Morriss dancing, folf festivals and fairs and the odd pipe-band with drums parades.

    More to the point re. refugees from Iraq and Syria, since it was all USA's big idea to get stuck in there in the beginning, and USA's the heaviest investor in that ongoing debacle, as well as Libya, not to mention other African states that the USA's been jackbooting around, don't you think that the majority of refugees from those US led wars should go to USA? After all, UK, and Europe seem to be taking the lion's share of the debt to the displaced at the moment.

    And again, were there any protests when Bush and Obama sent your glorious thugs off to war in the ME?

    Hardly any to speak of.
    not sure what you really disagree with in my post, but:

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    don't you think that the majority of refugees from those US led wars should go to USA?
    i'm saying that the u.k. should work with trump to support assad/russia to end the civil war, so they can go back to syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai
    1. join up with trump to put pressure on israel to give up land for peace.

    2. the uk supports assad to end the war in syria and the end of isis in syria.
    1. Not going to happen.

    2. Not going to happen.
    why aren't they going to happen, IYO?
    Purely my humble opinion,

    1. Trump is to "Jewish" to ask them to give up any land, even if they would listen to him. The chances of Isreal giving up anything they fought so hard for are minimal.

    2. Ask ENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    Purely my humble opinion,
    fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    1. Trump is to "Jewish" to ask them to give up any land, even if they would listen to them. The chances of Isreal giving up anything they fought so hard for are minimal.
    though, as you know trump is a man who wants to make a mark on the world and as he's said, paraphrasing "israeli/palestinian peace deal is the most difficult deal in the world and it would be great to help make it happen".

    since carter, all u.s. presidents (including clinton and obama) waited (suspiciously) till the last year of their presidency to try to get a peace deal done.

    trump's talking about it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    not sure what you really disagree with in my post, but:

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    don't you think that the majority of refugees from those US led wars should go to USA?
    i'm saying that the u.k. should work with trump to support assad/russia to end the civil war, so they can go back to syria.
    That would be the stupidest thing UK could do.
    To begin with, isn't USA anti-Assad?
    Assad has all the help he needs, Russia, China, Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah.

    USA's pushing shit uphill trying to achieve anything there through warfare, USA's never achieved anything through warfare, except destruction.

    USA's sacrificed thousands upon thousands of young American men's lives, destroyed more millions of other lives, and destabilized more countries than any other nation in history while achieving nothing substantial through such means, except increased orders for its armaments industry.

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